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AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:09 am

Hello,

I was thinking about American Airlines and their fleet and just remembered about the F-100 (My home airport is MIA so it is not really known here) so I was wondering If any of you have flown on the F-100 for American and if so How was it?
Also do any of you know the reason for retiring the aircraft from the fleet?
and one last question what was the reason for no F-100's in MIA?

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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:18 am

The F100 was originally purchased to fly to close in cities (around 1000 miles) to the DFW and ORD hubs. They typically flew to cities to small to support S80 and 727 (remember the 100's were originally ordered in 1989). And to support non peak times,
I really dont know why AA never flew them to MIA.

I flew on them several times. I was never that crazy about the airplane. Every time I was inside one it felt kind of like a bus. However, the F100 with 56 first class seats that flew DALLAX was awesome and so was the food.
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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:55 am

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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:34 am

I used to fly on F-100's between ICT and DFW quite a bit. I always liked the oval windows. The F-100's weren't any more or less comfortable than the MD-80's. However, I did get the chance to fly on one F-100's that had the oversized bins in the cabin...with the new coach seats. That was pretty comfy. I actually kind of miss the F-100's.
 
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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:49 pm

I was on one from DAY-DFW a couple years ago. It beat the hell out of getting crammed inside an Eagle CRJ.

It was quiet and fast.. I liked it.


I still liked TWAs 717s better though.
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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:54 pm

Forever will be gone the following after they phase out the F100:

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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:09 pm

The Fokkers were bought with the idea of flying medium routes at off-peak times or shorter routes with fairly fast turns, so that they could run a shuttle-style operation.

For whatever reason, they didn't work that well on short routes, like DFW-AUS or ORD-IND. So they stayed on medium routes like ORD-ATL and even some longer routes like ORD-SAT.

They were assigned to three hubs, ORD, DFW, and BNA. AA took delivery of 75, but it never exercized the option for an additional 75.

I don't know why they never flew to MIA. My guess is that based on the route structure of the MIA hub, and the number of departures to spoke cities, management felt that it didn't need a 100-seat jet in MIA.
 
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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:22 pm

A little off of topic, but I flew on an F28 from Boise to SEA (Horizon Air). I thought we were never getting off of the ground. We pretty much used all the runway. Same thing happened on a similar flight between Seattle and Spokane. I guess those F28 were not the greatest performers!
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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:12 pm

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 1):
I really dont know why AA never flew them to MIA.

The F100's a/c pacs couldn't handle extreme temps. That is why they installed a supplemental pac in the cargo hold and reduced the size of the hold.
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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:10 pm

Yep, hot little buggers, especially here in DFW.

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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:43 pm

Yes I remember the Fokker 100 very well. I flew on quite a few of those during the 90's when American was still operating them in large numbers, I believe they had as many as 75 of them at one time. It was a nice aircraft to fly on, however my only unpleasant experience with the Fokker aircraft was sitting at a window seat on the last row in coach just in front of the engines. At take off, when full power was applied, the noise inside the pax cabin would get very loud and I couldn't wait till the aircraft settled in cruise.
Pilots like them a lot but mechanics used to say that it was a nightmare to maintain. One of them was damaged beyond economical repair upon landing in DFW, that was a while before American took the decision to phase out the Fokkers. The problem with the Fokker was the availability of spare parts.
I think the reason the Fokkers weren't seen in MIA is because American always needed aircrafts with a larger pax and cargo capacity out of that hub, American ordered the Fokkers to fly them on short haul flights to small cities out of the ORD hub. They were seen also in DFW, DAL (Love Field) and MDW, that's true, but most F100 crews were based in ORD which is where the final flight arrived. The last Fokker 100 left the fleet six months ago.

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RE: AA And The F-100

Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:18 pm

Yep,we got them in ROC from ORD right until A^A left town and stuck us with boring Eagle E145's ....
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RE: AA And The F-100

Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:19 am

Flybynight...

Also off-topic, I had a very different experience with a Braathens F-28 many years ago on a sunday morning flight from Stavanger to Oslo/Fornebu. With a rather light load it felt like the pilot applied afterburners on takeoff! That was really amazing!!!!!
 
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RE: AA And The F-100

Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:25 am

Can anyone remember if AA got rid of there F100's before or after Fokker filed for bankruptcy or insolvency or whatever it is called in the Netherlands?
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RE: AA And The F-100

Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 13):
Can anyone remember if AA got rid of there F100's before or after Fokker filed for bankruptcy or insolvency or whatever it is called in the Netherlands?

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RE: AA And The F-100

Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:32 am

I'm thinking it happened after, since the lst one left the fleet not so long ago.
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RE: AA And The F-100

Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:41 pm

I think Fokker filed for bankruptcy in the mid or late 90s. I seem to remember that Daimler-Benz took an ownership position in Fokker, but Fokker still couldn't improve its finances, so D-B let Fokker go under.

AA started phasing out the Fokkers, if I recall correctly, in late '02 or early '03.

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You're right about pilots loving the plane and mechanics hating it. A friend of mine is a 757/767 pilot at ORD. The mechanics felt that the F100 was more of an overgrown business jet than a mainline commercial aircraft, which made working on the plane a real headache.

I also heard that some F/As avoided the plane, because it had no rear exit. The 727-100 had the rear stairs. the -200 had the stairs and rear doors on either side of the cabin. The MD-80 has rear stairs and a port-side galley door.
 
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RE: AA And The F-100

Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:09 pm

Flew on the AA F100 from ORD to DTW back in March of 2003.

I actually liked that plane. Takeoff was reaaaaaally smooth and powerful.
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RE: AA And The F-100

Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:59 pm

Assuming AA survives the current fiscal crisis, don't worry they once flew BAC-111, ditched them, then 20 years later bought a same sized plane, F100, to do the same routes, then tossed them, the cycle will repeat itself.

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