bullpitt
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Strike In Spanish Aviation

Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:23 pm

Hi All

The three main Unions in Spain, CCOO, UGT, and USO have called for strikes on the 29th of April and on the 4th of May. So if your planning to fly on those days, I would think twice about it. Will try to keep you posted on the negotiations.
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HEGAN
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:48 pm

Another one. At least it has not been in 'Semana Santa'

Thanks I'll fly the 3!!!!

Why the 4th? Is holiday in Madrid the 3rd, isn't it?

Agur,
Hegan
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BBADXB
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:26 am

Thanks for the info!

I was thinking of non-revving out of Spain on the 29th!
 
bullpitt
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:47 pm

Hegan to be fair there have been no major strikes in Spanish Aviation for a while now. If you compare it to other places such as Ireland, UK, FRANCE, and Italy, the last 5 or 6 years have been very good with hardly any major problems.

It´s important that we tell government that we will not let our work environment to deteriorate just so they can make more money from the companies and allow the companies to place all the productivity sacrifice on the manual workers of the industry.
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:46 pm

Would it affect Dutch carriers/charters flying to Spain or only Spanish carriers? Spring break is starting on April 29. Half of the Dutch population is leaving for Spain, Greece and Turkey that day. The other half will leave next day  Wink .
AMS is expecting the largest passenger flow so far this year, a strike in Spain would be disastrous!
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vtdl
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:14 pm

Are these 1 day strikes or could be they prolong to days/weeks? I plan to visit Spain in June.
 
EZYcrew
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:44 pm

Does anyone know exactly WHY the unions are going on strike?

"...we tell government that we will not let our work environment to deteriorate just so they can make more money from the companies and allow the companies to place all the productivity sacrifice on the manual workers of the industry."

This explanation is rather vague....and I'm sure travellers would be even angrier if the strike is for a vague reason....

Having started to work at MAD T1 2 months ago, I can't realy understand why IB staff are going on strike.... they are amongst the highest paid at the airport, and they don't seem to be overworked nor overwhelmed by work rules (saw an IB lady smoke at her sales desk while attending to a passenger a couple of days ago... very professional if you ask me...)

At the airline I work for in Terminal 1, IB's staff laziness is legendary (we deal alot with them as we codeshare, unfortunately).... Most of my colleagues have been working more than 20 years here, and I have yet to hear a positive anecdote about IB.
 
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting EZYcrew (Reply 6):
Most of my colleagues have been working more than 20 years here, and I have yet to hear a positive anecdote about IB.

Wow, not in 20 years!!. I am sure they are the ones who never phone IB Business Class Lounge to let us know that the LX flights are ready for boarding so that the passengers can be requested to go to the gate or that the LX flights are delayed to let us know the reason and the time. Or the ones who always refuse to provide HOTAC for the passengers on the LX morning flight from ZRH who miss their connections to the IB flights when the LX flight arrives late. Must be that you are really overworked.
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CORULEZ05
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting EZYcrew (Reply 6):
"...we tell government that we will not let our work environment to deteriorate just so they can make more money from the companies and allow the companies to place all the productivity sacrifice on the manual workers of the industry."

In other words, the usual BS unions are always fighting about. Not breaking news.
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EZYcrew
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:33 am

Fermata

I am sure we'd have a lot to talk about

-About the pax's arriving on LX2020 on an iberia-issued ticket with an illegal MCT to SDQ , BOG, CCS or RAK and who miss their conx, and who will get no help from IB whatsoever (are these those you're referring above?)

-About our Circle or TC Gold members getting bumped off IB's codeshare due to overbooking

-About the IB staff that send their pax to our gate with an empty boarding pass, saying that's an ETKT, even though IB and LX don't share ETKTs - resulting in pax being denied boarding and missing his/her flight

About the IB sales people endorsing tickets to LX/Luxair

I'm still new as a ground agent, but from what I've seen in 2 months it's hard not have a bad image of IB.

And no I'm not overworked.... I'm alone at the ticket desk but nevertheless always manage to provide HOTAC and FIMS to misconx, when LX' fault, and do so professionally and with courtesy, ALWAYS! I also always patiently listen to our pax's complains of the codeshare IB flights, and how they hope we'll be with JK soon, thanks to LH...

As to LX not informing IB about delays and the reasons, or about LX not calling the lounge for boarding (doesn't the BP state boarding time?), I will ask OPS what we can do about it.

Feel free to contact me if you wanna have a coffee.... I'm not allergic to IB staff....yet!
 
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting EZYcrew (Reply 9):
-About the pax's arriving on LX2020 on an iberia-issued ticket with an illegal MCT to SDQ , BOG, CCS or RAK and who miss their conx, and who will get no help from IB whatsoever (are these those you're referring above?)

No, I am talking about the passengers to SJO with a perfectly legal connecting time of 50 min. (last week at the IB Transit Counter) .

I am also talking about people who missed IB 3464 and, rebooked to IB7360 were denied Boarding Pass by the LX Check-in Agent (first, he said no, only on stand-by, later he accepted).

Quoting EZYcrew (Reply 9):
As to LX not informing IB about delays and the reasons, or about LX not calling the lounge for boarding (doesn't the BP state boarding time?), I will ask OPS what we can do about it.

The AA Boarding Pass has a Boarding Time of 1 hour before departure. Do you think it is a good policy to send Business Passengers to the gate at that time?

I have had problems with every airline at MAD except AA (they are the best by far), just the other day one of the employees of another Spanish airline told me that she didn't know the phone number of her airline at the Terminal she was not working at,etc... That doesn't mean they are "una panda de vagos" (a bunch of lazy people).

Quoting EZYcrew (Reply 6):
IB's staff laziness is legendary


Edit: Got the ZRH flight number wrong.

[Edited 2005-04-24 19:27:47]
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bullpitt
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:30 pm

CORULEZ05 we are talking about Workers Unions here in Europe, not your Mafia linked trade unions you have in the US.

It´s not BS we have legitimate issues and this strike is about defending out rights that many of us have fought hard to get and we are not ready to give up without a fight.

The strike will involve all the handling companies in Spain Iberia, Air Europa, Spanair and handling agents such as Ineuropa in Alicante, Ibiza, Madrid, Palma de Mallorca, Menorca and Tenerife. And Eurohandling, not sure which airports they serve.

What we are trying to avoid is that the new handling operators will come into the market with scab labour that will work for wages below the stablished minimum and therefore forcing the other companies to lower theirs.

We don´t mind new competition but those new operators must be able to compete without reducing workers rights.
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EZYcrew
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:13 pm

Bullpitt

My opinion is that the only MAFIA here is IB and a couple of other handling operators, who are fighting the opening to competition of ground handling in Spain, so they can keep overcharging customers who have very little choice.

Such practices work only in the USSR and China.

Today's world and Europe is different...it is free... and if Spain, and Spanish aviation in general, wants to move on and ahead, it must adapt to new market conditions. If not, it will be, once again, relegated to the bottom of the list of the countries where it's best to do business.....
 
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting HEGAN (Reply 1):
Why the 4th? Is holiday in Madrid the 3rd, isn't it?

Of course. They're already off work for the holiday on the third, the 5th is a holiday as well I think, they take the 6th for a long weekend, and strike on the 4th.
Only one day to work for the entire week...
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Fermarta
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:52 pm

Jwenting, I don,t get your posting, am I missing something or are you saying that airport workers don´t have to go to work on weekends?

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 13):
they take the 6th for a long weekend

Or on public holidays?

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 13):
They're already off work for the holiday

So, airports are closed on weekends and holidays.

Anyone from Spain, is May 5th a public holiday somewhere in this country? AFAIK, it is not.
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bullpitt
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RE: Strike In Spanish Aviation

Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:51 pm

Ezycrew Sorry to disappoint you but in most Spanish airports there is competition among the handling companies and companies are free to use which ever company they wish or to do their own handling if they don´t like what´s on offer. This Strike (It has been called off) was about working conditions and about making sure we keen scab labour out of our sector. A minimum working conditions has been achieved and that´s why it has been called off so as you can see having more holidays was not important. And for your information all IB workers who would have supported the strike would have lost about 140 to 200 euros each for those 2 days.
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