boeingforever
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:19 am

i know boeing tried to streamline their headliners and overhead storage, and i know they say they perfected cabin comfort in regards to air conditioning, but i really miss the individual vents on boeings widebodies. its unfair that everyone is subject to one climate.

is that an airline decision, or are there no individual vents on any new boeing widebodies??
 
Alitalia744
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:21 am

I'm not sure about the 777 but for the 767 I know it's an airline decision.

Delta has individual airvents on their 763s while most airlines dont...
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
Delta has individual airvents on their 763s while most airlines dont...

I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:24 am

CO's 762s definitely do not have individual vents above the seats. It's lights only, at least in Y.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

N

I've been on 763's of AA and AZ that don't. Also, search the photographs..

Delta's 777's have indiv. airvents too, I know AZ and AA don't...
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

N



No Airvents there Smile That's AC
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boeingforever
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:27 am

what about boeings 777 and 747
 
Alitalia744
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:29 am

BoeingForEver -

Most Boeing widebodies depend on the airline...I think they're avail with and w/out individual airvents.

Most 747s I've been on have them...but that may have changed on later models (still haven't been on a 744)...
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boeingforever
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:45 am

exactly my question! newer boeing widebodies dont have the vents..its one climate for all
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:47 am

Why is it that some airlines don't want them? Are they more maintenance intensive?

I assume that they tap air from the ducts going to the main cabin air vents or the plumbing would become rapidly complicated.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:48 am

I know when I worked on Britannia's 767 fleet, that individual air vents are not supplied. Instead its universal air conditioning. This always caused problems!
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:53 am

Actually, it is kind of it's own system. The 767 (the only system I know anything about, admittedly) uses a gasper fan, and associated ducting, which the flight deck crew can activate or deactivate at any time.
SO- reduced MX costs without personal vents.
And really, the PSUs are so high in the cabin, how much good would a gasper be if you're seated in the middle section, anyway? It's four miles above your head!

Also, I don't think I remember USAirways' A330-300s having gasper vents either. I could be mistaken, but I am pretty sure they don't.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:59 am

Do A340's have individual vents?
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:01 am

It's purely a customer option.

On 744 it's a stand-alone system that merely recycles air from above the ceiling, just aft of the upperdeck.
777 use a combination of air from above the ceiling and air from the main distribution system.
737/757 use air directly off the main distribution ducting.

Even though I know that the air is not any fresher, I still prefer them a pax and as an engineer I like them because it means more stuff to work on.

Today I am sitting in Santiago and part of my job to assist LAN in designing the removal of their gasper system on the portion of the 763 fleet that has them.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:57 am

Flew SA's brand new A346's and A343e's and neither of them have individual air vents. It seems to be the way of the future  Sad
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:06 am

I flew NW A330-300 about two weeks and they have individual air vents
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:16 am

AA 777's DO have them, the 767's do not.

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Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:18 am

I was on a BA 747 that didnt, it was awful.
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:22 am

It is a customer decision with Boeing. I have been on these aircraft both with and without vents:

737 (200,300,400,500,700,800)
747 (200,300,400)
767 (200,300)
777 (200)
M11

I have always had them on:

727 (200)
757 (200,300)
L10
D10

And I've never seen them on:

330 (200,300)
340 (200,300,600)

But I am sure that they are available for these too.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:23 am

While we are on the topic, do United's 744s have them?
I'll be on one of those bad boys soon and was just curious.
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:57 am

I've been on KLM 743's that didn't have individual vents.. Uncomfortable!!
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:02 am

NW DC-10s dont have air vents either, but their not exactly new aircraft  cheeky 

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RE: No AC Vents On New Boeing Widebody Aircraft

Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

No Airvents there That's AC

He didn't say that there are no 767s without airvents, just that he has never been on one without  Wink
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 19):
While we are on the topic, do United's 744s have them?

I think so, at least all the ones that they sold to Corsair did.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
No Airvents there That's AC

I seem to remember that ACs A330s don't have vents either.
Their A319/320/321 narrow-bodies do.
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:51 am

I don't recall ever being on a widebody that had individual vents. I know that all the 767s I've been on with the Signature interior didn't have them-CO, HA, and JL. I also know they are not on JL's 777s. Nor do I remember them being on HA's DC-10-10s, which were ex-AA planes or JL's DC-10s and 747.

The only time I felt uncomfortable was during a ground hold in LAS with the outside temperature over 110F in a DC-10.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:08 am

My perception is that, over time, these are disappearing. Individual vents mean more parts to repair, less control by the crew, and persons sitting next to each other could potentially start arguing about how much to open the vent (this happens at least with me and me wife, and you know who wins!). Mostly I fly widebodies in Asia, and I can't remember the last time they were available.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:04 pm

i think SQ's A345s don't have them.... i'm pretty sure Air CHina's 767 dont have them cuz someone next to me complaint that it was too hot in the plane.... same with the 737... cuz i had to fan myself with the safety card
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:21 pm

UA's B 747-400s yes they do have individual vents. Also MH's.

I think it's up the airline.
 
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:51 pm

AA's last 9 767-300's do have them they are N341-N350AA. They have the 777 style interior and individual air vents
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:03 pm

I flew roundtrip MDW-LAS-MDW on Las vegas based National Airlines and their 757-200 N521NA didnt have gasper vents either and it was the worst air circulation situation I have ever experienced...Besides, personally speaking, I always have the gasper open as I need to have a movement of air around me. I guess its a psychological feeling of open airyness...If that makes sense...

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Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:39 pm

The 717 also uses a gasper fan. It helps a lot to flip it on at night in the summer when you're cleaning the plane.
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Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:09 pm

Last week I flew LH B744 from IAD to FRA and on to GVA, then to VIE back from VIE to IAD I fley OS A332 neither aircraft had air vents
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:16 am

I flew LAS to PIT on HP Wednesday night on a A320 and it did not have air vents. The plane was very warm and stuffy. People were complaining. The flight out to LAS from PIT was a HP A320 as well and had air vents. Dont understand why one of there A320's had air vents and the other one didn't. Its nice to have air vents in case the plane is a little bit on the warm side.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:37 am

I'm assuming individual vent control are also a hassle because once all passenger starts closing it -- it becomes time consuming for cleaner personnel to start opening each and every vent on the ground for the next flight.

Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:49 am

Don't shoot me down for this as it is just an observation.....on BA 747/767/777 there are no vents fitted. When the cabin gets over warm on the ground and on the 747 fleet that is very often, it is noted by myself and my colleagues that the PAX who get upset and ''NEED AIR'' are normally of US or Canadian nationality....it borders on obsessive at times. They are the ones that ''have '' to get off, ''need'' to take another plane. The other 250 or so just seem to either cope or grin and bear it.
As I said this is not a dig at certain nationalities, just a regular occurrence.
I wonder if it stems form the normality of having AC at home and in the workplace in the US and Canada, those of us in Europe just suffer the heat without AC in the main and know no difference.
On a personal note I prefer planes fitted with the vents, it gives PAX one element of control, control being the thing we are robbed of when we fly.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:51 am

NW's 747's and A330's have them. Can't really say anything about the DC-10 though, since I haven't been in or seen the cabin of one for about 6 years  Wow!
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:26 am

There are no vents on CX aircraft, and that was a surprise to me. MP, OA and (formerly) CP all had them in my experiences.
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting Cheeryguy (Reply 35):

From my observations, it's always the bigger-sized people that always feels the need to turn the air-conditioning temperature all the way down. Other people my size don't really complain that much when the a/c is set at optimum temperature. Wierd...

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Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:36 am

Quoting AT502B (Reply 14):
Flew SA's brand new A346's and A343e's and neither of them have individual air vents. It seems to be the way of the future

Totally true. On my first A346 flight it bothered me quite a lot, as it was a hot, sunny day in JNB. However, I have flown on SAA's A343's to JFK and experienced no discomfort in this regard. Also on the A343, during the flight it looks as if a fine mist or vapor is coming through the airvents. It don't now if this is a method to humidify the cabin, but it seems to work for my post-nasal drip.
Usually when I fly longhaul on 744's, SA and QF, I have to spray my nose on a constant basis with a saline solution.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:45 am

No vents is nothing new, SAA's SPs didn't have them, and they were delivered in the mid 70s.
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RE: No AC Vents On New Boeing Widebody Aircraft

Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:13 am

Its down to airline preference (probably airline that had it new). I've flown Thomas Cook flights (well jmc as they were) 757s , outbound didnt have, inbound did. Was quite odd that in the pre-flight briefing, it said "for your convinience, a personal light, air vent and call button are located above your head" even on the plane that had no vents!

Also, the Virgin Atlantic A340-600s I flew the other week had individual vents.