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Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:40 am

I did a search on this but did not find anything, but I think back in the early to mid 90's I seem to remember that Northwest had a large focus or some type of hub operation at BOS with a number of Europe flights and also Northwest Airlink commuter flights. Anyone have more details about how large the operation was, and why it was ended? Thanks in advance...
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:45 am

Don't know the answer on most of youre questions, but i can say that NWA is still maintaining a BOS-AMS service with the DC-10, and they are still expanding on the route...
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:51 am

As of 1987 (or thereabouts) NW flew nonstop from BOS to GLA, SNN, LGW and FRA, in addition to the obiligatory MSP/MEM/DTW. I seem to recall that at another time (maybe early 90s) they had nonstops to several Scandinavian destinations (ARN, CPH), but I am not sure about those.

I'm pretty sure that the mini-hub was gone by 1994-95 though, probably a victim to transatlantic staging (smaller planes flying on thinner routes and bypassing traditional East Coast gateways) and the build-up of DTW.

Hope it helps.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:22 am

NW jumped in at BOS with flights to Europe a little after Braniff one shut down in the early 80's. BN used Boston as a springboard to Europe before their termination.
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:26 am

IIRC, up into the early 1990s, NW flew from BOS to each of their European gateways, which at the time were: GLA, LGW, CDG, AMS, and FRA. I am nearly certain that I remember them flying D10s on these routes, although something in my mind says maybe an occasional 747 for LGW. However, I am not very certain about the latter one.

As for domestic operations, they of course had the flights to the main hubs at MSP, DTW, and MEM. For a while, NW also operated trans-con flights to/from BOS from LAX and SEA (maybe SFO, but again, not too certain) that connected with their European ops. I believe that they also operated quite a few flights down to DCA for a while when their DCA ops were also larger. Wasn't NW at one point possibly linked to buying one of the two shuttles at some point? I am sorry, but I forget the details. As for commuter operations, they used Business Express (who worked closer to and operated the flights in the colors of Delta) as a local feeder.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:39 am

Northwest Airlink feeder services at BOS in the early 90s included Northeast Express, which flew Metros:

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I took one of these from BOS to JFK in December of 1992, right after a big blizzard. Nasty little plane, bumping along in the clouds the whole way. The flight was timed to connect to NW17, the JFK-NRT nonstop...as I recall, most of my fellow passengers were Japanese. I'm not sure which other routes they operated, but I definitely recall that they operated BOS-PHL as well.

Northeast Express later used Dash 8s from BOS to both LGA and JFK:

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Precision, meanwhile, flew Dornier 228s out of BOS, including a short-lived service to FRG:

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I actually had a ticket for this flight at one point, but had to cancel, which I regretted later because (a) there hasn't been any scheduled service at FRG since, and (b) I never did get to fly on a 228!

As Commavia mentioned above, I think all of these Airlink services were discontinued by the mid 90s.
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:46 am

Also from BOS they had service to BDA for a short period of time. From BOS they also ran flights to several Florida destinations as well.
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:47 am

Foxbravo,

Thank you. I had that nagging feeling in the back of my head that they operated some commuters painted in the NW colors too, but I could not remember for sure.

Luv2fly,

I completely forgot the 72S service to BDA!
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:54 am

I remember they ran 2 DC10's from DTW to BOS at around 4:00 PM or so to connect to the European destinations that departed from BOS.
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:14 am

In the early 90's, Northwest had the following service out of Boston,
International-LGW,CDG,FRA,GLA,BDA
Domestic-SEA,LAX,SFO,ORD,MSP,DTW,MEM,DCA,MCO,RSW,TPA.

Regional service was operated by Northeast Express, then was replaced by Business Express.

At one point the BOS-DCA service was up to 14 flights a day and Northwest was all set to buy the Trump Shuttle. This did not happen and the shuttle was purchased by USAir.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:19 am

BOS now gets the 333 for the AMS flight  thumbsup 

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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:57 pm

Bobnwa,

When did NW start operating the BOS-AMS flight? Did KLM operate it at the beginning of the 1990s? Thanks for giving the confirmation about SFO. I thought that they did, but I couldn't remember for sure. I forgot about the ORD flight. Wasn't this an extension (same flight number, different aircraft) as the ORD-NRT flight? Or am I really imagining things this time? Trump...yep...I knew that they had set up to buy one of them, but I couldn't quite remember for sure. Thanks. Take care.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:03 pm

Was BOS-SEA the last true NW transcon? Or idid I just pull that from my hindquarters?
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:26 pm

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 12):
Was BOS-SEA the last true NW transcon? Or idid I just pull that from my hindquarters?

Nope, you're right... BOS-SEA was the last true NW transcon.
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:35 pm

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 11):
When did NW start operating the BOS-AMS flight? Did KLM operate it at the beginning of the 1990s?

Northwest Airlines has been operating BOS-AMS for a good 15 years or so. I can remember the fleet of 747's and DC-10's at Logan about 200pm.

KLM operated BWI-AMS, BOS-AMS, ATL-AMS way before the time of the codeshare with Northwest Airlines. If I am not mistaken all of the above destinations were serviced with the 747-200SUD? In addition, wasnt Orlando also a KLM destination until the early 1990's?


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bobnwa
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:17 pm

KLM never operated BOS-AMS other than as an aircraft substitution. They did operate MCO-AMS and ATL-AMS before the code share.

The BOS-ORD flight was NW003 which continued on to NRT as an equipment change.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:44 pm

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
NW jumped in at BOS with flights to Europe a little after Braniff one shut down in the early 80's.

NW's flights from BOS-Europe had nothing to do with Braniff or its shutdown. NW began flying from BOS to Europe right around the same time as Braniff (1979-80). NW mostly flew to the Scandinavian countries, while Braniff flew to Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt and Paris. By the time Braniff shut down in May 1982, NW had already been flying BOS-Europe for two-three years.

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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting NWA Man (Reply 13):
Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 12):
Was BOS-SEA the last true NW transcon? Or idid I just pull that from my hindquarters?

Nope, you're right... BOS-SEA was the last true NW transcon.

And they gave it up to Alaska, per gentlemans agreement.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:06 am

ORD....I will check into my OAG/timetables when I get home. You could be correct.
thx
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:17 am

Isitsafenow - No problem. I'd be curious to see the exact details of what you find.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:44 am

ORD.....Here's what I found. In January of 84, after BN was shut down, NW had only two departures from BOS, both 747's. One went to Gatwick and the other to Shannon Ireland with a continuing to Glascow.
I checked late 1977 and no NW across the pond. I am looking for a NW 80 schedule in my collection.
I know BN flew BOSTON-Europe in 1980 because my wife and her family flew BN from DTW to BOS and on to Frankfort.
ALSO I thought Pan Am flew out of Boston to Europe BUT I found the first Pan AM-National combined sched and Pan Am did NOT fly international from Boston IN 1980. I know they did in the 60's and part of the 70's.
surprise-surprise.....
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
ALSO I thought Pan Am flew out of Boston to Europe BUT I found the first Pan AM-National combined sched and Pan Am did NOT fly international from Boston IN 1980. I know they did in the 60's and part of the 70's.

Pan Am had at least these international routes ex-BOS in 1969:

PA052/053 707 MSY(DL)IAD-BOS-ORY
PA056/057 707 DTW-BOS-LHR
PA130/131 727 BOS-BDA
PA134/135 707 BOS-BDA
PA148/149 707 JFK-BOS-LIS-FCO
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:01 am

The first trans-atlantic flight out of BOS was Feb or March of 1979. Went to PIK.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:19 am

Here is some info I was able to gather:

Northwest was awarded new European service in December 1977. That included flights from nine U.S cities (Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Washington, New York and Boston) to Glasgow, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland.

Obviously all those cities/countries were not served. A newspaper article I have dated June 9, 1980 mentions Northwest at the time flying (there are other transatlantic services not mentioned):

JFK-Shannon, continuing to Prestwick (3x weekly)
BOS-Shannon, continuing to Prestwick (3x weekly)

And a Northwest press release dated February 22, 1980 mentions new passenger transatlantic service begun in early 1979 to Copenhagen, Stockholm and Glasgow.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:33 am

NW used to fly out of Terminal B in BOS. I remember seeing the two 747's squeezed in there for the flights to LGW and SNN. When they announced the new BOS hub in 1985, they moved to Terminal E so they could take advantage of the international terminal.

Mind you, at the time, NW and TW were the two US carriers with transatlantic service from BOS. TWA served LHR and CDG (and seasonally FCO) at the time.

When NW moved to E, they swapped space with Continental, New York Air, and Pan Am.
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:34 am

NW used to fly a DC10 between BOS-CLE sometime in the early 80's i believe. flight 48/49 ran BOS-CLE-MKE / MKE-CLE-BOS. i believe westbound it originated in Europe somewhere and eastbound ended in Europe.

there were also a couple of 72S flights between CLE-BOS to go along with the DC10.


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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
ALSO I thought Pan Am flew out of Boston to Europe BUT I found the first Pan AM-National combined sched and Pan Am did NOT fly international from Boston IN 1980. I know they did in the 60's and part of the 70's.
surprise-surprise.....

Pan Am flew from Boston to Europe from 1974 to 1978. PA flew to several European cities nonstop from Boston. In 1980 Pan Am flew beyond London from only New York and Miami nonstop. (I believe the Frankfurt-Tampa route which ran for a few summers began in 1981, and Frankfurt-Washington did not begin until 1985)

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):
In addition, wasnt Orlando also a KLM destination until the early 1990's?

Yes it was. KL eventually gave the route up to Martinair.
 
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RE: Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston

Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:26 pm

How come the hub broke up in BOS? Why does KL not fly thier own metal into BOS?