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EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:25 am

Beginning June 25, 2005, EVA Air will restart its non-stop Taipei - Honolulu route with thrice weekly service. I'm assuming these flights will also be codeshared with American and possibly Continental.

Flight Information:

EVA Airways BR 22
Operates: Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
Leaves TPE - 7:10 PM
Arrives HNL - 11:15 AM
Aircraft: A330-200

EVA Airways BR 21
Operates: Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
Leaves TPE - 12:25 PM
Arrives HNL - 4:55 PM (+1)
Aircraft: A330-200
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:06 am

nice to see a A332 going to HNL. Who else flys the A330 into Hawaii?
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:46 am

Skyservice on occasion....HNL is one of the few airports where any Airbus is a rare sight!
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:11 am

This is great for HNL and the HNL spotters. I'm moving out there next fall, so this gives me a great opportunity to spot an A330. Doesn't CI fly to HNL as well?

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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:31 am

hmmm, both flight are TPE-HNL? How about the return flights?
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:38 am

Just a mis-type. BR21 is HNL-TPE.

Any official notice of BR exercising 8 options on the 773 and 2 on the 332? Also saw BR wants to add 330 freighters. Any word on these?
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:43 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
hmmm, both flight are TPE-HNL? How about the return flights?

Sorry. Like Echster mentioned, BR 21 is HNL-TPE.

I believe EVA has already exercised their option for an additonal 8 773ERs. They have a total of 12 on order.
http://www.evaair.com/html/b2c/engli...Agrees+to+Purchase+Eight+B777s.htm

As for the A332, I think they exercised one option in late 2004 for a total of 11 aircraft ordered.
http://www.evaair.com/html/b2c/engli...Delivery+of+Sixth+new+A330-200.htm
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:54 am

That's great news to hear! BR used 762s on their 1st venture to HNL

On a scheduled basis, there are no other A330s to HNL. The last one was Canada 3000.
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:01 am

Although it is nice to see EVA back in HNL, I wonder if the service will last? They used 767s back in the 1990's and couldn't make it work. Now they are going to use a larger aircraft, the A332.

I'm also wondering about the pax demand for the route. CI only has 2 weekly non-stop flights TPE-HNL using the A343. The other 5 days, they route a 744 through NRT and I believe that can pick up pax on NRT-HNL.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:08 pm

BR's 762s are non-ERs so unless it was a delivery flight, they probably can't do TPE-HNL.

Indeed, CI can pick-up pax on the NRT-HNL run. CI has 5th freedom on five weekly frequencies to the US from Japan. Before the advent of 744s & MD-11s (which later they disposed of), had to route Taiwan-US through Japan because of aircraft range issues.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:11 pm

Good news. The only other A330 service I believe was the occassional PR 101 equipment substitution.

I wonder if the upturn in HNL tourism is now starting to reach Taiwan, or are taiwanese investors looking for another market to invest in?
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:21 pm

This is great news for Hawaii! Does EVA fly to mainland China from Taiwan? The state has been courting chinese tourists and business for some time now, but there isn't much in the way of air connections. You could connect to JL, NH, NW, or UA in Japan, or in Taipei on CI, but the japanese market keeps most of those options pretty full! (IIRC CI already has a flight with a stop in Haneda).
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:32 pm

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 7):
That's great news to hear! BR used 762s on their 1st venture to HNL

BR originally used 763ERs to HNL.

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 8):
I'm also wondering about the pax demand for the route. CI only has 2 weekly non-stop flights TPE-HNL using the A343.

I think demand has been picking up. CI is increasing its non-stop flight to thrice weekly. I think there can also be a decent amount of connecting traffic for passengers in other Southeast Asian nations.

Quoting 727EMflyer (Reply 11):
Does EVA fly to mainland China from Taiwan?

Unfortunately, no. There are no direct flights between Taiwan and China.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:33 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 9):
Indeed, CI can pick-up pax on the NRT-HNL run. CI has 5th freedom on five weekly frequencies to the US from Japan. Before the advent of 744s & MD-11s (which later they disposed of), had to route Taiwan-US through Japan because of aircraft range issues.

So does this mean that they have 5th freedom rights on any flights out of Japan or are there certain stipulations? Basically, as long as they have slots, they can fly whereever they want to and pick up passengers locally? So if they wanted to use some of their slots to fly to JFK (assuming they had rights at JFK, of course) they could do so with full rights or are there certain routes or destinations that are exluded from this agreement?

I guess I ask because there are already 2 very large foriegn carriers with full rights out of Japan (NW and UA) to many different destinations, including very lucrative ones like JFK, LAX, ORD, SIN, BKK, HKG, and the list goes on. I'm just surprised (and I know that SQ has rights out of NRT as well to other outside international destinations) that the government has allowed so many big, competitive carriers to take so much business away from their own national airlines. Its great for these other companies though. NW for example has an absolute cash-cow in their NRT hub. It's by far their most profitable international operation. Sorry to go so far off-topic but if you guys have some thoughts on this, I'd love to hear them

Oh yes, TPE-HNL, yes yes, fun in the sun. Great. Good talk guys!
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:43 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
nice to see a A332 going to HNL. Who else flys the A330 into Hawaii?

What is the current aircraft used by AC on the YVR-SYD run? I remember seeing an A330 of AC out there last Nov. when I was in HNL. I thought that I read on other posts that this is now the 340 and it only stops in HNL going southbound...not sure though.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:48 pm

QUOTE:This is great news for Hawaii! Does EVA fly to mainland China from Taiwan? The state has been courting chinese tourists and business for some time now, but there isn't much in the way of air connections. You could connect to JL, NH, NW, or UA in Japan, or in Taipei on CI, but the japanese market keeps most of those options pretty full! (IIRC CI already has a flight with a stop in Haneda).




BR does not serve mainland China; however they do have a good route network to other parts of Asia. Now HNL travelers have another choice to SGN, BKK, MNL, etc.
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:10 pm

Yes Iowa744fan is right...Canada 3000 and Air Canada used A330s and A340s respectively to fly from Canada to Australia via Honolulu but they always arrived at HNL at night so that no one in HNL can them and it was too late in the airport.

[Edited 2005-04-25 07:12:51]
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:13 pm

Quoting Iowa744fan (Reply 14):
What is the current aircraft used by AC on the YVR-SYD run? I remember seeing an A330 of AC out there last Nov. when I was in HNL. I thought that I read on other posts that this is now the 340 and it only stops in HNL going southbound...not sure though.

767-300 with a stop in HNL both ways. The A340 was only during winter months. The AC A330 was an extra section flight.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:35 pm

I am so happy to hear that Airbus A330-200 will make it to Honolulu. Surprisingly, it will mark the first US destination to receive the Premium Laurel class and the updated economy class cabin with AVOD on the whole a/c. Sadly there is no Economy Deluxe Class (but HNL is a tourist destination).

But I have to say BR's schedule makes more sense especially compared to CI's 8am departure for its nonstop flight back to TPE. A noon departure time is more suitable.

I think Airbus A330-200 will make a better chance to make it especially with improved cargo capacity. I wish BR best of luck... I only wish that AA can codeshare with BR.

About NRT-HNL, AA is desperate to get slots to launch its own HNL-NRT flights, but with the situation about slots at NRT, I doubt that will happen soon. I am sure BR will like to route a couple flights through NRT, but that is not going to happen. (not to mention some additional capacity for the TPE-NRT run).

Thanks Alex for the news!
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:39 pm

Would BR consider same-plane HNL-TPE-MNL service on this route?
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:31 pm

Quoting Carfield (Reply 18):
But I have to say BR's schedule makes more sense especially compared to CI's 8am departure for its nonstop flight back to TPE. A noon departure time is more suitable.

I think Airbus A330-200 will make a better chance to make it especially with improved cargo capacity. I wish BR best of luck... I only wish that AA can codeshare with BR.

I agree that BR's noon departure is better than CI's early morning departure since I could get an extra couple hours of sleep. However, I prefer CI's early morning arrival into HNL because I would want to get my vacation started ASAP.

I still believe that AA and possibly CO will codeshare on this route. It probably hasn't been loaded into the system yet?
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:48 pm

QUOTE:I still believe that AA and possibly CO will codeshare on this route. It probably hasn't been loaded into the system yet?



Why would CO?

CO 0001 HNLGUM 1400 1730 +1 767 0 0730
CO 0921 GUMTPE 1930 2135 0 738 0 0405* ops 1,3,6
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:12 pm

Quoting N77014 (Reply 21):
Why would CO?

Back in the day when EVA Air flew into HNL, Continental codeshared on the flight. Here's a segment of a Continental press release from March 27, 1998.

http://www.continental.com/company/news/1998-03-27-01.asp

Continental Airlines and EVA Air Launching Codeshare Flights on Monday

HOUSTON, March 27, 1998 -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAI.B and CAI.A.) and Taiwan-based EVA Air will make traveling between the U.S. and Asia faster and more convenient starting Monday, March 30, when the two global carriers link flight schedules for the first time.

[...]

The agreement allows both carriers to sell seats on each other's flights connecting on the West Coast and Hawaii. Continental will sell seats on EVA flights connecting in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Newark and Honolulu to Taipei, Taiwan. EVA will do the same on Continental's flights connecting throughout the U.S.

[...]
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:31 pm

Northwest 777,
CI can fly Japan-US but the limit is 5 weekly frequencies. I believe it was previously used for NRT-LAX or NRT-SFO. With only 5 weekly frequencies, CI shifted it to HNL since the 1990s.

In this day of age, Japan awarding fifth freedom frequencies to other carriers will be like pulling teeth. NW & UA are constantly skirting these issues, but a law is a law no matter how dated it may be. If Japan pulled the plug on these rights, US will comeback with stiff response and that's not something both sides want.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:36 pm

QUOTE:Back in the day when EVA Air flew into HNL, Continental codeshared on the flight. Here's a segment of a Continental press release from March 27, 1998.



True. And CO still does valuable business interlining pax from SGN-TPE-LAX-IAH. You only have to catch a late evening LAX departure to IAH to see what I mean.

However, the HNL portion lost value when BR first pulled out. And CO would be wise to keep that on its own metal.
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:41 pm

Nice to see another Airbus operator into HNL, and to see BR back after a number of years!

Air Transat also operated the A330-200 into HNL, but pulled out a little over a year ago.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:01 pm

BR must be doing well on N.A route.

They also increased flight into SFO.

There will one more BR27 flight (now 2/4/5/7)

They are also operating one extra flight every tue and thursday morning as BR1005.

So BR will now have total of 13 flights a week into SFO.

BR 17/18 daily
BR 27/28 2/4/5/7
BR 1005 2/4
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:39 pm

Why the BR flights failed in the late 90's was mainly due to the asian economic crisis. But now things have changed and people have the money to travel again.. HNL is actually underserved by airlines in Asia. Other than Japan and occasionally South Korea, no other airline flies there even though many still hold traffic rights to HNL. Namely, MH, SQ and TG.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting Chiawei (Reply 26):
So BR will now have total of 13 flights a week into SFO.

BR 17/18 daily
BR 27/28 2/4/5/7
BR 1005 2/4

Interesting. I do think BR 1005 is not a normal scheduled flight because I cannot find it in their timetable. Could you shed more information on that flight?
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:39 pm

The only "asian" I saw last night @ SFO was CX to HKG, around 0015 lcl.
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 23):
NRT-LAX or NRT-SFO

until ?99 CI had to fly through Haneda due to the crazy restrictions Beijing imposed on Tokyo which also gave birth to Japan Asia!
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon May 02, 2005 1:59 pm

In regards to flight BR 1006 and BR 1005 from TPE-SFO-TPE, I have found more information:

Flights begin June 20, 2005

BR 1006
Operates Monday: Leaves TPE 11:30 PM, Arrives SFO 8:00 PM
Operates Wednesday: Leaves TPE 7:20 PM, Arrives SFO 3:50 PM

BR 1005
Operates Tuesday and Thursday: Leaves SFO 2:00 AM, Arrives TPE 5:40 AM

BR 1005/1006 will be operated by Boeing 747-400 Combi.

Through the summer, as of May 15, EVA Air will have 11 flights to SFO. As of June 20, EVA Air will have 13 flights to SFO.

As of May 19, EVA Air will increase LAX service to double-daily.
 
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RE: EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service

Mon May 02, 2005 7:36 pm

So is BR's traffic from LAX/SFO mostly O/D, or are they transiting many passengers onward?
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