Dalmd88
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DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:49 am

Heard they found a buyer for the 767-200 fleet. Nobody at work had any details. My guess it is a cargo deal similar to the 727 deal we did a few years back. We were told a few days ago the 767-200 fleet as well as the 737-300G were going to be gone in the next year or two. Our manager also said they are trying to unload the MD-90s but no buyers can be found.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:14 am

Where will the "Spirit of Delta" employee purchased 762 end up? In the ATL museum?
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:32 am

Quoting Sspontak (Reply 1):
Where will the "Spirit of Delta" employee purchased 762 end up? In the ATL museum?

Won't there be some space for it in that nice new museum Boeing have planned up in Seattle? It'd fit right in next to the Concorde, 741 and 721. Assuming DL don't have something planned for it themselves.
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:01 am

I believe DL employees here have said they'll keep it in that hangar.
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:48 am

Hi DALMD88.

If you figure out more about those B767-200 , where they are going etc.

How many do Delta have and what powerplants do they have.

Greetings,
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:40 am

Thanks for the update. It's good to hear that DL will be speeding up their fleet simplification, although it will be sad to see the 762s go, and DL making at least some off of them. I'd also suspect the 762s to sold to a cargo airline, perhaps ABX. Of course I also hope the "Spirit of Delta" will go to Delta's Heritage Museum. The 733s could be converted to freighters as well.
Should Delta manage to find a buyer for their MD-90s, that would mean the 738s would be used even more from SLC, as the MD-88 can't do that, and CVG would likely become an MD-88-only hub, with no more 737s there.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:40 am

Another question is what will Delta do for mainline capacity?

I've flown them a number of times this year and almost every flight was full. You can't keep pulling aircraft out and not replacing them.

I hope that they manage to work their way out of their current difficulties. As a passenger i understand how expensive it is to fly widebodies domestically but I don't want to constantly end up on RJ's either.
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:40 am

Spirit of Delta will be kept in the heritage museum with the DC3
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting Starrion (Reply 6):
Another question is what will Delta do for mainline capacity?

I've flown them a number of times this year and almost every flight was full. You can't keep pulling aircraft out and not replacing them.

Don't forget that while loads are good, yields are not. Therefore, decreased flight numbers might mean better yields if tickets are harder to get.
About mainline capacity, for this and most of next year, mainline capacity will shrink, as the old 737s are being retired, and only more CRJs and finally also EMB-170 come online. However, from late 2006 through early 2008, DL will take delivery of all their 738s still on order (should be 48 IIRC), as well as 3 772s, unless they decide to sell those, so in the long term mainline capacity will grow again.
Also remember that DL is increasing average use of aircraft per day, thereby adding capacity without adding aircraft.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:51 am

yes we are boosting our 762 fleet to expand more internationally from IAH  idea 
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting DALMD88 (Thread starter):
Nobody at work had any details.


Go talk to the AMT's replacing the belly skin on 101.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 7):
Spirit of Delta will be kept in the heritage museum with the DC3

I wonder if it will be repainted into the widget livery once it's retired, considering that it came from Boeing that way.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Should Delta manage to find a buyer for their MD-90s, that would mean the 738s would be used even more from SLC, as the MD-88 can't do that.

Why can't Delta's 88s be used at SLC? With so many of them, this is a real disadvantage for Delta.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting Flynboy747 (Reply 12):
Why can't Delta's 88s be used at SLC? With so many of them, this is a real disadvantage for Delta.

Because of SLC's status as a Hot&High airport. Not to be too specific but the higher an airport, the thinner the air, and the engines on the MD-88 are not the most powerful engines out there. The V2500s on the MD-90s are significantly more powerful, and same goes for the CMF-56s on the 738 and the 733.
And it shouldn't really be a disadvantage for DL. After all, American is doing the same, by making ORD an MD-80-only hub, and making MIA a pure 738 hub, with a mix at DFW. It would be the same for DL: Mix at ATL, MD-88 at CVG, and 738 at SLC. This also can be considered an advantage with regards to fleet management. If a fleet, or large part of a fleet, is kept at one airport, the airline is more flexible, say in the case one of the planes breaks done and needs replacement.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:53 am

Thanks for the info DAL767400ER. I thought it had to do with SLC's higher elevation. It will be interesting to see what Delta ends up doing with their fleet organization.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:03 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
About mainline capacity, for this and most of next year, mainline capacity will shrink, as the old 737s are being retired, and only more CRJs and finally also EMB-170 come online.

I think mainline capacity will rise the remainder of the year. They are shedding aircraft but raising daily utilization.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:23 am

Quoting PW2040 (Reply 4):
How many do Delta have and what powerplants do they have.

A lot and PW4000 power

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 9):
yes we are boosting our 762 fleet to expand more internationally from IAH

Wrong engines, and a lot of the DL planes are non-ERs
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:45 am

I believe they have 15 767-200's?
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
A lot and PW4000 power

All of DL's 762s are powered by GE CF6-50As.

The 763s are powered by a mix of CF6-50As, CF6-80Cs, and PW4000s.

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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:08 am

Quoting Starrion (Reply 6):
Another question is what will Delta do for mainline capacity?

Short answer, let it decrease.

We will inevitably see less ASM on mainline.
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:15 am

Quoting B4real (Reply 19):
Short answer, let it decrease.

We will inevitably see less ASM on mainline.

DL does not intend to decrease mainline capacity this year. As Padcrasher said, aircraft utilization will increase.

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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:20 am

Didn't say it would be this year, but the simple outflux of aircraft, removal of DFW, and financial situation will reduce the overall mainline capacity. DL has already removed some cities from mainline service as part of removing the 732s early.
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:24 am

DL 762 fleet: 15 aircraft, GE CF6-80A2 engines. They are rumored to be going to ABX Air (DHL).

Now it gets tricky:

DL 763 Domestic: GE CF6-80A2 AND PW4060 engines.

It used to be that Domestic 763s were GE-powered, Intl were PW4060. That has since changed, PW 4060s can be found on Domestic 763s, and GE CF6s are on some Intl ERs.

DL 763 International: PW4060, GE CF6-80C2B6, and GE CF6-80C2B6F engines.

757 family is PW 2037 only, and the 764 family is GE CF6-80C2B8F only.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:16 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 20):
DL does not intend to decrease mainline capacity this year. As Padcrasher said, aircraft utilization will increase.

While I'm very well aware of the fact that DL is increasing utilization of their aircraft, how are they going to make up for the loss of 23 737s and 3 762s leaving the fleet this year? (Note: I got the numbers from a DL employee on another forum)
It just seems like a too high number of seats being replaced.

Quoting B4real (Reply 21):
DL has already removed some cities from mainline service as part of removing the 732s early.

But at the same time has brought back mainline service to cities that had either lost it, like BUF, or never had it before, like PHF.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:30 pm

Quoting Flyboeingjets (Reply 22):
DL 762 fleet: 15 aircraft, GE CF6-80A2 engines. They are rumored to be going to ABX Air (DHL).

Now it gets tricky:

DL 763 Domestic: GE CF6-80A2 AND PW4060 engines.

It used to be that Domestic 763s were GE-powered, Intl were PW4060. That has since changed, PW 4060s can be found on Domestic 763s, and GE CF6s are on some Intl ERs.

DL 763 International: PW4060, GE CF6-80C2B6, and GE CF6-80C2B6F engines.

757 family is PW 2037 only, and the 764 family is GE CF6-80C2B8F only.

So the Gulf Air machines which they received in the latter 90's would be the CF6-80C2B8F powered?
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:58 pm

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 24):
So the Gulf Air machines which they received in the latter 90's would be the CF6-80C2B8F powered?

The Gulf planes are -80C2B6's while all the others are -80C2B6F (FADEC).
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:57 pm

What about the 757? DL was an early customer. Don't some of these (ie 601, 602, 603..) date back to 1983?
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DAL767400ER
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 26):
What about the 757? DL was an early customer. Don't some of these (ie 601, 602, 603..) date back to 1983?

Almost. The first 4 planes were delivered in November/December 1984.
The further numbers for the early years are:
1985: 8
1986: 10
1987: 11
1988: 9
1989: 10
1990: 9
So, half of DL's 757s are already at least 15 years old, although the newest ones are merely 4 years old.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:11 pm

think DL should think about a 757 replacement, for atleast the early models.... although they don't have money for the 787, they can atleast order them, and pay when they will be delivered, or els they have to wait for a long time untill there are any 787 slots aviable
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 28):
although they don't have money for the 787, they can atleast order them, and pay when they will be delivered,

Unfortunately, I believe DL would at least have to pay a certain amount of money to secure their delivery slots, even if they only want them from circa 2012 on.

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 28):
or els they have to wait for a long time untill there are any 787 slots aviable

That is the general problem that all major US carriers except CO and soon NW face. But given that Boeing hasn't firmed up the number of planes they want to produce, there still is theorethical room for a production increase. After all, Boeing will have all the space of both the former 757 AND 767 production line, and with a rolling line, that should allow for alot of finished jets per month.
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:24 am

Don't forget about the numerous amount of 757s going to Song....
 
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RE: DL 767-200 Sold?

Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:50 am

"think DL should think about a 757 replacement, for atleast the early models."


I think you will see the 737-900 as a replacement for most of the 757s, with the 787 eventually coming on as a replacement for the 757 and 767 on longer routes.

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