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1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:44 am

I can reveal that the 1st aircraft ZK-NBT is to be called Kaikoura. She had her decal applied overnight and is sitting at the terminal awaiting her first flight. Schedule for the next few days is as below. Will try to upload some pics soon as possible.

Flight Dep Arr STD STA Date

NZ135 AKL BNE 0930 1100 28 APR
NZ136 BNE AKL 1240 1740 28 APR
NZ002 AKL LAX 2145 1440 28 APR
NZ002 LAX LHR 1640 1100 28/29 APR
NZ001 LHR LAX 1615 1930 29 APR
NZ001 LAX AKL 2130 0515 29 APR/01 MAY
NZ123 AKL MEL 0830 1020 01 MAY
NZ124 MEL AKL 1200 1720 01 MAY
NZ006 AKL LAX 1945 1240 01 MAY
NZ005 LAX AKL 2330 0715 01/03 MAY

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Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:29 am

Chears NZ1 can't wait, does it look nice, ?? hows the refitting going on the 747's ??
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:25 am

correct me if I´m wrong, Kairkura is a beach right, on the north Island, right??

what´s the name of the place northern Auckland, where NZ actualy ends?

just trying to remember from my trip there in 2001
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 2):
correct me if I�m wrong, Kairkura is a beach right, on the north Island, right??

what�s the name of the place northern Auckland, where NZ actualy ends

Kaikoura is a small tourist town about 2 thirds of the way up the East Coast of the South Island.

In answer to your second question I think you mean Cape Reinga.

back to the NZ747 though, how big is the decal? Of course I'll soon be seeing it on close quarters, but I'm curious.
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:30 am

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 3):
Cape Reinga.

ahhhhhhh, that´s it.
amazing place, just amazing.

great trip there

wish to go back someday
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Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:53 am

Ah can't wait to see it. Can you release any info about which other 744's will get which names? Also what name is going to be on SUH?

Thanks.  Smile

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Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:26 am

To be honest, I think it is a pathetic attempt. Although it is about 2 metres across, it looks more like the Star Alliance decal. Not much colour in it. Will let you know how the others will be named in due course.

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Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:28 am

Although I am yet to see it, I have to agree with you. I've always thought it would look stupid. It's like when they used to have the large pictures of birds/Wright brothers plane inside the B762's years ago.

The decal is near the front right?

They should have just put one large decal on two B744 Aircraft in the same place and size as the LOTR/DQ-FJL decals. One representing the best of the North Island, and the other representing the best of the South Island. It wouldn't have to be just one scenic picture, but a whole lot of pics combined into one.

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Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:43 am

A question for NZ1:

When AirNZ had seven B744's (before NBW) they used to schedule them by means of a spider (web) chart. So there would be a pattern in the schedules, and at some point the schedule for a particular aircraft would repeat.

Do they still do this now? Or how is it done?

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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:01 pm

Isnt the decal by the front door of the aircraft, and when will SUH come out with the new refits? Which aircraft is next
 
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:28 pm

SUH isn't getting a refit. It's leaving in March next year. ZK-SUJ is next.
 
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 10):
SUH isn't getting a refit. It's leaving in March next year. ZK-SUJ is next.

Correct. SUH leaves on 6th March 2006

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 9):
Isnt the decal by the front door of the aircraft

It's just in front of Door 1 above the windows.

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 8):
When AirNZ had seven B744's (before NBW) they used to schedule them by means of a spider (web) chart. So there would be a pattern in the schedules, and at some point the schedule for a particular aircraft would repeat.

Do they still do this now? Or how is it done?

Aircraft are rotated through the schedule according to a range of factors. The main one being maintenance. I don't work in Flight Ops so cannot answer this question fully, but I know that a particular aircraft may do a LAX-LHR return run for maybe 4 days before being routed through AKL for an 'A' check etc.

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 7):
They should have just put one large decal on two B744 Aircraft in the same place and size as the LOTR/DQ-FJL decals. One representing the best of the North Island, and the other representing the best of the South Island. It wouldn't have to be just one scenic picture, but a whole lot of pics combined into one.

I agree. This would have looked awesome. Am in the process of uploading the pics now, will post a link shortly.

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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:57 pm

Here is what the decal looks like. Sorry for the crap quality, as they were taken with a camera phone.





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Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:04 am

It's hideous! I surely hope they didn't spend too much on it.
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:25 am

It's a bit of a waste of time. I was picturing a panel up where the star alliance badge is, in the same way as QF had their 75 Anniversary badge...

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Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:02 am

It looks pathetic. When is the pacific wave going on?
 
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 15):
It looks pathetic. When is the pacific wave going on?

Pacific Wave won't be going on until the knife marks have been removed around the lap joints. This will happen when it goes in for its upgrade around Sept/Oct.

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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:25 pm

I was thinking it was going to be bigger then that, like placed between the first class windows and cockpit. The whale is kaikoura's symbol, so its the perfect picture
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:09 pm

Well, it does'nt look that bad. My mistake above, I meant SUI not SUH
 
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:39 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 18):
Well, it does'nt look that bad. My mistake above, I meant SUI not SUH

In that case, SUI comes out before June 9th.
 
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RE: 1st NZ 744 Named "Kaikoura"

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:53 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 19):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 18):
Well, it does'nt look that bad. My mistake above, I meant SUI not SUH

In that case, SUI comes out before June 9th.

It is finished on May 24th, it requires a test flight and ten days of FAA and NZCAA inspection and testing and at this stage should be flying on June 10th.

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Tue May 03, 2005 6:48 am

Will they be naming any of them taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu by any chance??
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Tue May 03, 2005 2:49 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 21):
Will they be naming any of them taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu by any chance??

Nope as all B744s (minus the one that will be returned to its lesser next year) will be named either Auckland, Bay of Islands, Rotorua, Wellington, Christchurch and Kaikoura)
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Tue May 03, 2005 3:00 pm

THATS IT!!.... I thought it would be a nice big pic. (Thats big as in aircraft big not living room picture big)
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Tue May 03, 2005 4:13 pm

I flew NBT on 1 May from MEL to AKL (NZ124). Then went on to SFO on NZ8 (different a/c). Couldn't really tell the difference in the aircraft from the passenger point of view. Good flights.

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Tue May 03, 2005 4:45 pm

Quoting B707 (Reply 24):

All NZ B744s have basically the same interior or close to the same interior
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Tue May 03, 2005 6:38 pm

Hmmmmm..."taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu"

I don't think a 70 meter 744 can even fit that long name on the side  Wink Big grin
 
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:08 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
(minus the one that will be returned to its lesser next year)

So there will only be 7 x 744's in the fleet? will they bring in another or make up numbers with the 777's?
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:12 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 27):
So there will only be 7 x 744's in the fleet?

ZK-SUH is scheduled to leave in Mearch 2006, will be repalced by a 772.
 
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:18 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 27):
So there will only be 7 x 744's in the fleet? will they bring in another or make up numbers with the 777's?

Yes there will be 7 in the fleet. As stated before, SUH leaves next March, so no upgrade for her.

SUI is going along quite nicely at the moment. Lots of wiring and overhead bins going in. Galleys and eats start going in towards the end of next week.

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Tue May 03, 2005 7:19 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 28):
ZK-SUH is scheduled to leave in Mearch 2006,

I flew her as NZ2 a coupla years back, sniff, I must stop getting so attached to a/c. I am a true "Jumbophile".
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:36 pm

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 30):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 28):
ZK-SUH is scheduled to leave in Mearch 2006,

I flew her as NZ2 a coupla years back, sniff, I must stop getting so attached to a/c. I am a true "Jumbophile".

To be honest SUH is a pig. It is fault prone, has had more engine changes than normal, and seems to be jinxed. Whether it is a curse from her Varig days, who knows ....lol

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Tue May 03, 2005 10:05 pm

Agree, the interior is a mess too. I mostly always get stuck flying on SUH. Once the guy accross from me, upstairs, reclined his seat and the whole thing broke. A few times the cabin bins have even opened during takeoff.

Wasn't there a time where they didn't put SUH on the NZ1-2 route?
 
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Wed May 04, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 31):
To be honest SUH is a pig.

Then maybe it is a good thing my next NZ2 won't be until Nov '06  Smile

That reminds me, talking of fault-prone, I have seen NBT on several occasions with a mechanic working on no 3? (inside starboard anyway) engine prior to departure, is this normal procedure or does it have anything to do with an earlier bearing failure a while back?
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Wed May 04, 2005 9:13 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 33):
I have seen NBT on several occasions with a mechanic working on no 3?

Are you sure it wasn't NBS? Because apparently the number 3 on her is a nightmare.
 
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Quoting NZ747 (Reply 34):
Are you sure it wasn't NBS?

I reckon you could be right, at the angle I have seen the a/c being worked on (on at least 3 occaisions) I wouldn't have seen the rego. I am remembering NBT for another reason (being filthy dirty at one point).

Incidentally when I flew SUH we were delayed as a door seal had popped or something like that so I have seen the "jinx" at work!
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Wed May 04, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 31):
To be honest SUH is a pig. It is fault prone, has had more engine changes than normal, and seems to be jinxed. Whether it is a curse from her Varig days, who knows ....lol

Is that the reason NZ is getting rid of it?

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will they bring in another or make up numbers with the 777's?

No, as the B772ERs will be replacing the B763ERs and going on some current B744 routes like AKL-SFO, to free them up, I think this is to help expand NZs routes and to also take over SUHs routes when she leaves.
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Wed May 04, 2005 3:34 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 36):
Is that the reason NZ is getting rid of it?

The lease is up! They almost got rid of it in 2002, the Koru and titles were removed and she was ready to be sent to the US for storage. Then NZ decided to increase AKL-LAX and SYD-LAX at the time which gave SUH a lease renewal.

The 772ER's will go on CHC-LAX sometime aswell!
 
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Wed May 04, 2005 3:37 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 37):
The lease is up!

If SUHs extended lease has expired then why does NZ still operate it right now?

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 37):
The 772ER's will go on CHC-LAX sometime aswell!

This will also result in CHC-LAX going daily, instead of the current 1-2 services per week with the B744, possibly next year
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Wed May 04, 2005 3:43 pm

-SUH was retained as the leasing company offered us a sweetheart deal - very good rates on a month-by-month lease which is very rare for them to allow.

There is some talk at management level about retaining -SUH rather than exiting her - the final word is due next month but I'm sure NZ1 and his colleagues would be aware if the answer was a "yes".
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 39):
There is some talk at management level about retaining -SUH rather than exiting her - the final word is due next month but I'm sure NZ1 and his colleagues would be aware if the answer was a "yes".

So 'Jinxed' could be staying. Would this result in her also getting an upgrade?
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Wed May 04, 2005 3:48 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
If SUHs extended lease has expired then why does NZ still operate it right now?

I mean the lease is up in March 2006, which is when she will leave unless something happens soon.

I don't no that CHC-LAX will go daily with 772's or not, currently 1 weekly 744 with 3 in summer, they might hold off until the 787 for it to go daily, that is sometime off though, so yeah it may or may not go daily with the 777.
 
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Wed May 04, 2005 4:00 pm

Well the AKL-LAX flights are pretty full these days, maybe they could keep SUH and increase LAX, also NRT can now go daily with the 744 or maybe more slots at LHR aren't to far away?

If she is to stay then i'm sure they will upgrade her.
 
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 41):
I don't no that CHC-LAX will go daily with 772's or not, currently 1 weekly 744 with 3 in summer, they might hold off until the 787 for it to go daily, that is sometime off though, so yeah it may or may not go daily with the 777.

Either TG992 or NZ1 have confirmed that CHC-LAX will go daily with B772ERs
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Wed May 04, 2005 8:50 pm

Quoting TG992 (Reply 39):
There is some talk at management level about retaining -SUH rather than exiting her - the final word is due next month but I'm sure NZ1 and his colleagues would be aware if the answer was a "yes".

You sly dog Rob - hahaha. Ok. I was going to wait for a few days, but here it is. SUH is indeed now STAYING in the fleet for at least another 3 years, and yes she WILL be upgraded. We have got an exceptional deal on the lease, and I believe management has done the right thing by taking it up.

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Either TG992 or NZ1 have confirmed that CHC-LAX will go daily with B772ERs

This is true. Timings are being worked on as we speak.

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Wed May 04, 2005 8:54 pm

 Wink

And why would an airline with such a small number of international destinations need an extra 744?  Wink

....... and ....... here we come!

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Wed May 04, 2005 9:02 pm

Excellent news, I love the 744's!

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And why would an airline with such a small number of international destinations need an extra 744?

You tease TG992, I'm guessing South America maybe.
 
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Wed May 04, 2005 9:15 pm

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And why would an airline with such a small number of international destinations need an extra 744?

....... and ....... here we come!

Let the guessing games begin Big grin

Maybe Shanghai, Kuala Lumpur, Chicago, Frankfurt again??
 
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And why would an airline with such a small number of international destinations need an extra 744?

I'll tell you, come the 16th....:D I think I can guess, nothing too surprising I don't think, but still...
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 45):
And why would an airline with such a small number of international destinations need an extra 744? Wink

....... and ....... here we come!

HAhaha.......My lips are sealed on this one dude. If you know what I know, then it's all good. Sorry but the rest of you will have to sit this one out a little longer.

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