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What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:40 am

Speculation was Airbus was going to announce AC orders in Paris. That ain't happening. What sales are likely being held until Paris? I know LOT hasn't announced which seems logical. Maybe some Iberia widebodies. What surprises does Airbus have up its wing?
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:43 am

How about the cancellation of the A350 program?  duck 
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:43 am

Emirates will defenitely add some orders - maybe an announcement on the A380-900 ..
Wouldn't be surprised to see LH make some announcements ,also at least one other Middle East airline could jump in for some orders
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

Damn, you beat me to it...
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

I second the motion.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting MrComet (Thread starter):
Speculation was Airbus was going to announce AC orders in Paris. That ain't happening.

Hang on, Paris Air Show hasnt happened yet, why is it not happening?

Quoting MrComet (Thread starter):
What surprises does Airbus have up its wing?

The answer is in your question. I've highlighted the key word in bold to make it easier  Wink
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:51 am

Not likely.

Airplanes have loud births but quiet deaths. Leahy is promising 50 orders of the A350 and I suspect ILFC will give them about 20 orders.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

Why would Airbus acknowledge a failure at a marquee event/venue? IMO, Airbus will likely be trying to hype the A350 at Paris.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:30 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
Emirates will defenitely add some orders - maybe an announcement on the A380-900 ..

I agree, that's at least what it's been commented here. I don't know about more rumors, maybe some A350 orders from some European airline (IB?)

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

Better, the announcement that they will do a brand new plane!  biggrin 

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 5):
Hang on, Paris Air Show hasnt happened yet, why is it not happening?

AC ordered Boeing widebody planes two days ago
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Keta (Reply 8):
Better, the announcement that they will do a brand new plane!

Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:46 am

Airbus announcements
A38 under-weight.
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Perhaps customer announcements will include BA and AC
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:00 am

But AC went Boeing.
And rumor has it that BA is not interested, either. BA is supposedly one of the carriers involved in talks over the 747Adv.

I am sure they will announce something, as they always do.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:03 am

Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.


not in such a short time period!!! anyway i think we will see the announced 50 A350 orders... will be good!!! i really hope this happens (although im a hard-core boeing fan) Also i think we might see KLM Shopping for more A330's, or even A380's (although they announced they wan't the plane, but not yet, said that 4 months ago)...
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:06 am

i think we will see the announced 50 A350 orders...

From.....?  sarcastic 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:11 am

Airbus is going to announce that their rears are sore from being kicked all over the globe by Boeing. Big grin

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 5):
Hang on, Paris Air Show hasnt happened yet, why is it not happening?

LOL! Dude where have you been this week.

Quoting Keta (Reply 8):
I don't know about more rumors, maybe some A350 orders from some European airline (IB?)

Leave it to IB to do something stupid.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):
And rumor has it that BA is not interested, either. BA is supposedly one of the carriers involved in talks over the 747Adv.

If so BA can count on a J ticket from me. I'd like to be on the 747Adv's maiden flight.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
i think we will see the announced 50 A350 orders...

From.....?

Rich people working for airbus Big grin

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 12):
KLM Shopping for more A330's, or even A380's

I think KLM will order more when they have the A330 in service for some time.

The A380 could be announced more at the show. I think Emirates will be announced at Dubai.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting MrComet (Reply 6):
Leahy is promising 50 orders of the A350 and I suspect ILFC will give them about 20 orders.

I would have thought the same; however, do you think after the recent outright rejection of the 350 from some of Airbus' marquee clients that ILFC will go ahead and still order? IMHO, they would be at risk to place those a/c with clients in four years if they fork over the money to buy them.

Instead, I'm beginning to think they will leverage their buying power and influence with Airbus to push them to develop a new 350 (350NG - Ha! Next Gen for something that never existed to begin with) from scratch.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:23 am

I doubt there will be too many A380 announcements because the 747ADV will likely keep BA, Cathay and maybe Lufthansa on the sideline until the issue of what Boeing is offering becomes clear. Boeing is now saying all over the place the 747ADV will be a reality. However, sounds like necessary posturing. It is still likely buyers will have to give the 747ADV a pretty good look over before they commit to A380s and that means sales will slow for a little while.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:26 am

Quoting MrComet (Reply 17):
doubt there will be too many A380 announcements because the 747ADV will likely keep BA, Cathay and maybe Lufthansa on the sideline until the issue of what Boeing is offering becomes clear.

well I dont know about BA and CX but LH already ordered the A380 and they WON'T order the 747ADV mark my words. If anything they will order more 380's.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 9):
Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.

I think so too. Strange that since the A380 has now flown much to the dismay of the transatlantic anti-Airbus brigade, their focus has now turned to the A350.

A bit of advice boys, wait until you've built more than one fuselage section before you start trumpeting about the 787. What was the news we heard today? Oh yeah, well well well, the 787 is going to be overweight. On the basis of one fuselage section, I can't wait to see how much overweight its going to be when they finally manage to build the rest of it. What a surprise............... not!

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:00 am

WAH64D, read the news today again.

The news was not that the 787 "is going to be overweight".

The news was that at this point in time, it's overweight, although less so than 777 was at a comparable point in its development. And, certainly less on a percentage basis than A380 throughout its development.

The news is that Boeing has some work to do. News at eleven. Would you be all that surprised? And, that's the public word, most likely worse than what reality is.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 20):
The news is that Boeing has some work to do. News at eleven. Would you be all that surprised? And, that's the public word, most likely worse than what reality is.

Not surprised in the slightest. Has there ever been an aircraft that hasn't been over target weight during development?

My point is that you don't hear the same jibes directed towards Boeing that you did from a variety of people that give the A380 a hard time for her "spare tyre".
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:12 am

KLM will start to need replacing its narrowbodies soon.. they have tons of them that are getting old, i.e. 737-300's and so forth.

Airbus may announce the revamp of the A320 program, and I very much doubt they'll coin it as the NG... that's Boeing's terminology.

European airlines will order for sure, most likely AF, LH and IB. If BA keeps waiting, its 744's will probably have to last them as long as their 741's did. But hey, they are the most profitable airline, so they know what they're doing.

Probably more orders from the far East for the A380, especially if from now till then, the results of the test run of this plane are positive.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:45 am

I think you are all wrong about the A380 and British Airways. They want to be a leader and not a follower. They will eventually realize that they need the A380 in their fleet.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:46 am

WAH64D, yes you do hear the same weight barbs being thrown, albeit by the other side, but for the same reason: ignorance of the fact that all aircraft -- probably most large assembly projects in general -- are bloated at this phase of their design.

You youself played that card that the 787 "will be overweight", when that was never the case, and your own argument in your last post proves it.

Please stop this garbage that somehow the 787 is getting some sort of free pass that the A380 or A350 hasn't. It's just simply not the case.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:55 am

Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 23):
I think you are all wrong about the A380 and British Airways. They want to be a leader and not a follower. They will eventually realize that they need the A380 in their fleet.

I honestly don't see BA looking at it until after 2010. They have some well-maintained 747-400 aircraft which are not exactly ancient, and the 772 fleet which is an ideal size for many of their operations.

There just isn't a need in the short term for any major capital spend. Another few years of debt reduction will put them into a position of being able to leverage their low borrowing for preferential rates in the money and leasing markets.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:08 am

I think we'll see some good orders announced by Airbus at Paris. Even though some have been mentioned, here's my $.02

EK Will order more A380s, maybe A380-900s
ILFC Will order A350 about 20 or so.
It's also possible we'll see something from EI or LOT

S.A.L.E. Should order about 20 A320 Series as they've placed all their current A32X on order and deliveries are due to finish May 2006. If MAS choose Airbus we may see their order announced too. I'd also expect to see some follow on orders for A320 series from current operators, though not sure who.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:40 am

If EK is going to order the A380-900, I would bet that Airbus will push it to be one of the launch customer for the A350.

It is widely known now, that EK wants a bigger B787 and the A350 is just the right size for them, so I would see Airbus pushing hard for the A350. (IMHO I would suspect an order of 15 plus options)

Dont forget QR is also looking at 60 orders for either the B787 and or A350.

So if Airbus gets EK,QR, and ILFC it could easily reach the 50 aircraft mark.

Also a number of A32X orders from different airlines.

MH is also a big contender for its short haul replacement.

KL has an aging B737-300/400 fleet so we never know, we will have to see.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:26 am

Maybe we'll se BA order more A320 family aircraft to finally replace the 737s, plus after them the CFM powered A320s and the remaining 757s. That could be a 50+ narrowbody aircraft order. Can't see any widebody orders until the 767 replacement in a few years.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:36 am

A332F launch, definite market, little capital cost to launch
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:15 am

Since AF bougth every Airbus with a GE on it, my guess is they will place an order for the 350.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:21 am

The A330-200F has been shelfed, so no launch here. I'd rather go with an A350-800F - way more payload and range and a nice compliment for a B777-200LRF.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:32 am

AF has already stated they're not interested in the 787/A350 at this stage, as they're still building their A332 fleet. However, they may officialy announce an order for 772LRF.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 12:00 pm

It seems to me like it's just in too short a time for a credible A350 rebrand (and particularly a beefy launch order) to be announced there. Hopefully they'll have at least some fair-sized orders of their other airliners to talk about instead though.

And maybe some 380 sales announcements though except for some small ones here or there I wouldn't count on it.


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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:00 pm

Summing up this and another thread, here is what a.netters think might be announced in Paris:

ILFC = 10-20 A350s
LOT = A350/A320
EK =50 A389/A350
IB =A350
BA =A380/A320
KLM =A330/A350/A380
AF =A350/A380
MAS =A380
EI =A350
SALE =A320
QR =A350
MH =A320
PK =A380?
CX =A380?
SAA =A380?
CA =A380?
LY =A380?
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:58 pm

I think you can add CI to the CX "shall we go for A380 or 747Adv" group and a potential A380 order. They are probably waiting, like CX, to see if the A380 can do HKG/TPE-LAX with a full load or not and if B will actually launch the 747Adv.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:08 pm

My guess is that they'll concentrate on the undeniable good news - large number of orders still in hand, production going full blast etc. Not sure about the A350 - they certainly won't scrap it at the Show, but I doubt that they'll be promising to roar ahead with it.

My guess is that they'll report extra orders for the A380 - or at least 'productive discussions'. That's an area in which they'll have to be careful, though - the most likely source of more orders is Emirates, who
already account for 30% of certain A380 sales. If they announce that that 'single-airline' proportion is going to climb to say 45%-plus, the journalists (and the stockbrokers) might start putting two and two together and making six.......
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:02 am

My guess this will be the first Hoopla over a redesigned upcoming 320 program with bleedless technology and more composites.
Nothing like being the first out of the gate with a seriously upgraded bread and butter aircraft.
There are a lot of engineers with time to spare now that the 380 is off the ground and will be used for the next project.
I do not think the 350 program will fly without serious upgrades in technology that the 787 is offering and the 350 will just have to ride the coat tails of the upgraded 320.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:11 am

I'm in favour of the A350 being cut, it doesn't look too good as a competitor for the B787...

Maybe, just maybe, Airbus' Paris announcement will be that Qantas finally has its act together and is going to buy A340-500/-600s, but I doubt that... If I had to guess, I'd reckon there's an order coming from Emirates soon...
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:56 am

I too think this is the perfect opportunity for Airbus to introduce plans for up a revamped A32X. If they launch it now, and start receiving orders for it, they'll be far ahead of the game.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:45 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 27):
KL has an aging B737-300/400 fleet so we never know, we will have to see.

KLM has a project with Air France and they are currently training pilots on the A320 and A330 at Air France. Now the A330 makes sense, but the A320 doesn't. However, KLM Flight School is producing more pilots than needed, so maybe they need to drop them somewhere.

KLM is already in the race for more A330's. There was an announcement from ILFC a few weeks ago that KLM would lease another couple of A330's from them, but this statement was recalled by KLM a day later.

The narrowbody replacement hasn't officially started yet. However, I do think this one is for Boeing as KLM is very happy with their B737NG's and those are too young to be replaced by A32X's.

Other nice fact... KLM officials were in Toulouse yesterday, but this doesn't mean sh*t. I think many airline officials were invited by Airbus. I don't think KLM is in the race for the A380 now. I think they will wait untill there's clear how they are doing at mother Air France.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:41 am

How about IB and the A380? Isn´t it a option for them as well?

As for KL, I rather see them ordering more 738+739 than Airbus.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:20 am

I don't see A announcing a composite A320 or any major upgrade of the A320.

1) A320s are selling well despite the 737NG and so the profit is good. The plane is paid for so why kill a cash cow when they fon't have to. There is an unspoken truce with each company keeping their backlogs filled.

2) A won't act first because they are behind B on composite structures technology. It is likely even if they announced first, B would be faster to market with at least as good a plane because they could apply a lot of 787 experience to the program. It is more likely they will wait until B breaks the truce.

3) Despite what people think, the engineering isn't done on the A380 and A probably doesn't have the bodies to commit to a new plane.

4) Any announcement will dry up A320 sales

It is more likely they are working behind the scenes to figure out how the 787 is manufactured and how they could compete against a smaller version of the 787. This will take a couple of years.

Their problem though is Boeing may have already broken the truce. Their massive sale to Ryanair at cutrate prices might mean they are filling their books before announcing a new 737 replacement. That way they don't see a major order dropof when they announce.
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:31 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 40):
The narrowbody replacement hasn't officially started yet. However, I do think this one is for Boeing as KLM is very happy with their B737NG's and those are too young to be replaced by A32X's.



Quoting OHLHD (Reply 41):
As for KL, I rather see them ordering more 738+739 than Airbus.

It does make sense doesn't it if KL sticks with the B737NG for its B737 classic replacement, however, This could go either way I think. Why?

Well AF has a large fleet of A32X and can be agreed upon that it is the choice of aircraft for AF, and therefore it can pool maintenance and or spares etc, and a hefty discount when ordering a big batch, to replace KL's B733/B734 as well as remaining B737's in AF fleet.

So don't cut Airbus out yet. KLM favors the B737 but it might be enticed to replace them with A32X instead, which are in sense some what in common with their upcoming A330's.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:14 am

I would also like to see Airbus announce a A320NG, but like the others have said, I think it's still too early for Airbus to come up with details on this. They are still working hard on the certification of the A380. For Airbus I think the best thing to do is to come up with a A329NG as soon as possible but as developing such a new design will take more time, I think we won't see Airbus announcing a A320NG it this point. But it would be wise if they are working on a complete new aircraft design, whether it's an aircraft to better compete with the 787 or a new generation of narrow body aircraft, either way it will be a good thing for Airbus right now.

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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
Emirates will defenitely add some orders - maybe an announcement on the A380-900 ..

How much of an investment in money and personnel would Airbus need for a A380 stretch? Is anyone other than EK interested in it? Would it be be a wise investment of engineering resources at the current point in time if EK is the only interested party?
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:50 pm

A380 Stretch.....
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:46 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 45):
How much of an investment in money and personnel would Airbus need for a A380 stretch? Is anyone other than EK interested in it? Would it be be a wise investment of engineering resources at the current point in time if EK is the only interested party?

Seeing the numbers that EK orders them and seeing their current profit levels, I don't see why not. EK themselves might justify the program. Eventually other carriers will order it though.
 
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:24 pm

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

Nah, I think Emirates and LOT will order the A-350 and it will be announced at Paris. With the way things are going, that may be the only other orders the A-350 ever gets.....
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RE: What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:46 pm

Quoting Okie (Reply 37):
My guess this will be the first Hoopla over a redesigned upcoming 320 program with bleedless technology and more composites.

I doubt it, for most of the reasons that MrComet and others have given. Also wouldn't it be a marketing blunder: on the same day you show the A380 to the general public, you make an announcement that would imply that much of its technology is obsolete?
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