Byrdluvs747
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Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:03 am

Can anyone tell me how many production lines Boeing will use for the 787? If only one, can they add another? Correct me if I'm wrong, but can they use the old 757 line in addition to the 767 line?

Also, am I correct in remembering that Boeing will spit out one 787 every three days? Is this based on one production line?

If Boeing has enough orders, is there a possibility that they'll open a second line?

I have asked these questions two times in two different threads and noone has answered it yet.
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Thread starter):
but can they use the old 757 line in addition to the 767 line?

The 777 production line will be at Everett, the former 757 production line was at Renton. If 787 sales warrant it and the 767 tanker goes forward, an option may be to move 767 production to Renton to boost output of the 787?
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:41 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Thread starter):
Also, am I correct in remembering that Boeing will spit out one 787 every three days? Is this based on one production line?

Boeing says they can produce 80-120 planes a year. Might be safe to assume that is one line, doubtful they would commit two before now, but just a guess..
 
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:42 am

If they can snap these things together in three days then I would think they could open a second line. If it means they are losing billions in sales (which can happen if even one carrier goes somewhere else), then you would think they would open a second line. It's probably simply a matter of real estate. They seem pretty smart at Boeing and would have considered this. However, I think in general the aircraft industry needs to start thinking more like a consumer oriented company and respond better to demand in the market.
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:28 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 1):
If 787 sales warrant it

Well, they have delivery slots filled up for 2008, 2009 and most of 2010. I'd like to see Boeing have the ability to sign another 200 orders and still deliver them no later than 2010. That will serve as an advantage for Boeing, as airlines can sign later and still receive planes before Airbus can begin delivering the A350(or whatever).
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:56 am

The 787 will likely be assembled in a vacant bay at the Everett plant that was built for the 777 but never needed. Once 767 production ends, which will be sooner rather than later if the tanker deal isn't resolved fairly quickly, that bay would become available as well.

That said, because final assembly will be so fast, even one line should suffice for significantly higher rates than Boeing's other products, so the limiting factor is probably more an issue of supplier capacity than room in Everett.

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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 5):
the limiting factor is probably more an issue of supplier capacity than room in Everett.

Excellent point as usual B2707SST.

IMO, lack of delivery slots as a significant limiting factor for potential 787 sales is really a tempest in a teapot. How many times in the past have we heard the same thing...I recall similar concern about the lack of future delivery slots for the 737NG in the late nineties (remember the serious talk of opening a second production line at Long Beach); before that the 744 and the MD-80 in the late eighties. Which operators were ultimately denied what they needed because of the lack of delivery slots? There will always be a fair rate of order attrition and/or deferrals because of normal business cycles, recessions, airline failures, etc., which always seem to take care of this problem.

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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:15 pm

I'm one that believes a second line will be considered if orders continue to flow in AND airlines want the planes ASAP. I also believe that the real factor will be the suppliers ability to deliver at a a faster pace. For me, the suppliers will be just as interested in selling more planes as Boeing is. With a reasonable feel for future orders Boeing might already be talking to the supplier about their ability to bump up production.

I an ideal situation, Boeing could use the extra production space to meet a higher initial demand and then shift it to the 737E when that goes into production.

Doubling the first 3 - 4 years of production would only benefit Boeing and their suppliers. My 2¢ says they are already considering it.
 
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 5:26 pm

Even if Boeing is considering it, they won't be able to use the new line unless dozens of suppliers all over the world can double their own output and transport capability.

Say Boeing can assemble twice the aircraft but GE can't supply more than 10% more engines and some factory in Japan has trouble getting enough shipping capacity to deliver more an 20% more fuselage components to the assembly lines?

That's the reality of things, Boeing can't just decide to double production and be up and running in a few days or weeks even if they have the line ready to go and staff available to man it.
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:04 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 8):
That's the reality of things, Boeing can't just decide to double production and be up and running in a few days or weeks even if they have the line ready to go and staff available to man it.

True. But they could start working on it now, a few years before first deliveries. That should be enough time to sort out supplier quantities.
 
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 8):
Even if Boeing is considering it, they won't be able to use the new line unless dozens of suppliers all over the world can double their own output and transport capability.

Say Boeing can assemble twice the aircraft but GE can't supply more than 10% more engines and some factory in Japan has trouble getting enough shipping capacity to deliver more an 20% more fuselage components to the assembly lines?

That's the reality of things, Boeing can't just decide to double production and be up and running in a few days or weeks even if they have the line ready to go and staff available to man it.

Even if they could have a M-F 9-5 2nd line which will produce another 40% more planes than the primary production line, then I am sure that would help to ensure early deliveries for some of the airlines just signing on. Enough to take away that reasoning from customers.

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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu May 05, 2005 7:09 am

Personally I don´t think the lack of workers nor space at the assemble lines are the problem, transportation of the parts to the plants are the bigger bottle-neck. The B747 that´ll transport some of the larger parts are still
worked on. So how will Boeing solve an major increase in transportation
of B787 parts, use some AN124s or the AN225? Airbus Beluga is probably busy
with Airbus products...
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu May 05, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
Personally I don�t think the lack of workers nor space at the assemble lines are the problem, transportation of the parts to the plants are the bigger bottle-neck. The B747 that�ll transport some of the larger parts are still
worked on.

I disagree.... transportation of components is rarely the clincher in increasing production, even when using snail methods like barges. It's long-led items like landing gear castings and engine production that are the kickers.

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
Airbus Beluga is probably busy
with Airbus products...

Sure they'll fit?
 
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RE: Boeing's 787 Production Capability?

Thu May 05, 2005 8:06 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 11):
Airbus Beluga is probably busy
with Airbus products...

Awww...come on! The old "Guppies" that Airbus used were based upon Boeing B-377...leading to the irony that most Airbus aircraft components made their first flight in a Boeing aircraft. We can complete the irony by using a few Belugas to transport the 787 parts!  Smile Just kidding on this one. Please don't take this as being serious.