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Airbus' Next Step

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:20 am

After the two big Boeing wins this week (AC and AI), what should Airbus do next to counter the Boeing momentum...

Your thoughts please...
 
leelaw
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:22 am

Significantly drop the price of the A350.
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:24 am

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 1):
Significantly drop the price of the A350.

What is their asking price?
 
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:46 am

How about drop the A350.
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:50 am

Airbus needs to push for stronger regulation in Japan, America, UK and China. The slots in and out of large airports need to allow less planes so they can sell more A380s.

They need to come up with a good replacement for the 767/300. That involves developing the knowledge needed to actually use large percentage composite bodies. Either that or steal the knowledge from someone via a merger.

They need to plan for the first wave of retiring A320 and the after wave of 737NG replacements. They have to solve the fan space issue on engines.

And they have to do all this without taking a dime from the EU and sparking a trade war with the United States.
 
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 5):
Airbus needs to push for stronger regulation in Japan, America, UK and China. The slots in and out of large airports need to allow less planes so they can sell more A380s.

That could be a double-edged sword. Wouldn't this negatively impact sales of smaller aircraft as well?
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Mark_D.
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:46 am

AirFrnt--That involves developing the knowledge needed to actually use large percentage composite bodies.

They have basically as much knowledge with that as anybody (yes anybody, and in particular a certain company you may be familiar with  spin  ). Whether you want to admit as much or not is your business!


(hint: how does anyone know whether the 787 fuselage can be manufactured in a cost-effective and repeatable way yet?

Answer: they don't, of course! Still, sporting of the Boeing (and subcontractor) design guys to not roll over but instead give it the ol' college try in a big way, especially while the company's back was up against a wall in the global marketplace)

And they have to do all this without taking a dime from the EU and sparking a trade war with the United States.

The very last thing the U.S. of A. economy needs right now is a trade war, with anybody! And with today's h-u-g-e A380 debut -- they basically were the lead story Planet-wide today, like the World Cup final or Olympics or something-- enormous numbers of the Airbus Corps in a matter of just a few short hours became way freer to work on giving the consortium's commercial midrange and narrowbody lineup a bright long-term future in their own right.
 
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:09 pm

Improve Marketting.
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:11 pm

Easy. They should stop bitching about every lost order and focus on the next one!
 
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:19 pm

Actually, if I were Airbus, I would focus on an updated A320. That plane is ready for a 2nd generation while Boeing's model in that space - the 3rd generation 737 is starting to age badly. Boeing needs to build an all new plane now while Airbus can get away with an update. By committing to a NG A320, Airbus can take the wind out of the 737 sales, forcing Boeing to spend big bucks on another new model. I think Boeing would rather wait till the 787 is further. Forcing them to do both designs in parallel would be more difficult and costly for Boeing.
 
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:21 pm

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 9):
Actually, if I were Airbus, I would focus on an updated A320. That plane is ready for a 2nd generation while Boeing's model in that space - the 3rd generation 737 is starting to age badly. Boeing needs to build an all new plane now while Airbus can get away with an update. By committing to a NG A320, Airbus can take the wind out of the 737 sales, forcing Boeing to spend big bucks on another new model. I think Boeing would rather wait till the 787 is further. Forcing them to do both designs in parallel would be more difficult and costly for Boeing.

True, but in the end Boeing would have the last laugh. Why? Airbus would have an updated A320, while Boeing would have a brand-new airplane. It's basically the 787/A350 only reversed, with Boeing still coming out on top.

Frankly, Boeing would LOVE it if Airbus annouced an updated A320 rather than a new design.
 
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RE: Airbus' Next Step

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:33 pm

FreindlySkies said.....True, but in the end Boeing would have the last laugh. Why? Airbus would have an updated A320, while Boeing would have a brand-new airplane.

The A-319-20-21 are wonderful aicraft the only drawback is that they were not designed for longterm service, I have heard that 20 years of service is the MAX. The A-320 are far more comfortable than the NGs.. I dont think that Airbus would attempt to just do an updated version of the 320 series that is unless the airlines were not happy with the performance of the present airframe along with effeciency as well as wheather an update would be profitable.
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