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A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:38 pm

Yesterday seems to have changed the minds of a lot of people on the look/style of the A380 - the size, quietness, handling and so on. The landing was fabulous and the fly-by was like one I've personally never seen before. Having not been a great fan of the nose/two-deck design before yesterday, seeing the full package yesterday certainly put me back in line. The nose design melted into the background. Having loved the look of the 747 approach, the two A380 approaches yesterday eclipse anything I've seen before.

Anyone the same?
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:48 pm

Tend to agree with you on that Widebody.

Watching her here in person at Toulouse was an experience I will never forget.

I wasn't so sure about her looks before, but yesterday certainly changed my mind and I fell in love... with the 380
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:06 pm

Didn't change my mind, Widebody - always knew the A380 would look fabulous in the air - it's where she belongs.....

Certainly agree with you about the trend of comments since yesterday, though.

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:11 pm

totally agree with all of you.

i think it's got something that until yesterday, most pictures were taken from the ground, from a low angle, and that even emphasized its dimensinos. but now you can see pictures of the bird in motion and seeing as it turns, it gives a whole different impression.

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:28 pm

I agree with that too!

A lot of changed opinions since yesterdays flight. It looked good on the ground, but even better in the air! Shame I couldn't be there to see it for real  Sad

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:33 pm

I just have to agree with you!

Even on TV the both approaches looked so majestic!

A M A Z I N G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A dream came true!!!!!

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:22 pm

For a lot of people it looked really big,and majestic. One workmate told me:
"It looks just sovereign!" And he was right......

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[Edited 2005-04-28 15:26:41]
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:47 pm

Hello again, yeah the whole package came together to form an amazing aircraft - the gear, the nose, the two decks, the engines, the huge wingspan and the livery. On the approach it wasn't even possible to make out what type of aircraft it was until it got close. Every part that previously looked oversized now looked in proportion when it was in the air. And very graceful in turns and rotation. Added to the fact that technically the flight went much better than expected with only some small minor issues. Very very good day.
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:56 pm

For me this bird was absolutely impressing and majestic in flying. I was amazed by the easiness she took off, although she already had 75 % (421 tonnes) of its MTOW. She only needed 1500 m (4921 feet) for take-off. I am wondering how much she needs with MTOW, probably less than any other existing wide-body.
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:24 am

Anybody notice how far he floated down the runway before touching down?  Smile whoops.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:36 am

Quoting Widebody (Reply 7):
Added to the fact that technically the flight went much better than expected with only some small minor issues. Very very good day.

She sure is an awesome looking aircraft and worthy to claim the title 'Queen of the Skies'. You mentioned some small minor issues, any idea what they were?

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:44 am

I agree... my view hasn't changed a bit!! I always knew she'd look beautiful on the ground, and just 'plain' graceful in the air!!!! I've personally never seen any aircraft take-off or land so perfectly in my life, and given its size that's even more amazing...

Good work Airbus!!!!
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 2:45 am

Looked great, and cant wait to fly on it.
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:24 am

Yeah but then I'd have to send one my servants to kill you.....! No seriously only indication stuff. There wasn't a single warning generated during the flight phase.

As for the landing, way down the runway alright but right in front of VIP area where intended!
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:40 am

I still think she looks ugly when viewed head-on, but like many on here, I saw a beauty in her when she took off, and especially that wing flex!

I think the A380 has grown on me.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:48 am

I really like Boeings however the A380 video that I viewed was awesome. The A380 is a "cool" looking plane. I have to ride on that plane, and sit in the upper deck. The flyby and the landing looked so smooth and easy. I am not sure is Seatac will ever be ready for the A380 but I will find a US airport and fly out of that city.
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:24 am

I think the stretched A380-900 will look even better. The fuselage will be more in proportion to the massive wing area and the tail won't have to be as tall.

Overall, a lot more elegant!

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:07 am

To me it has changed

Before first flight:
A COW with wings

After First flight:
A fliying COW with wings.

Dont get me wrong, the Airplane is marvelous technologicaly speaking, But it is simply hideouse.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:20 am

I would love to experience a take-off in that thing Big grin is it just me or did it seem like it was so fast at accelerating? lol it was amazing!!!
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 18):
is it just me or did it seem like it was so fast at accelerating

That was my impression too. I expected it to use quite a bit of runway, knowing it was loaded to simulate real operating weights, but that certainly wasn't the case. Hopefully that'll rid the A380 of the "underpowered" stigma that plagues the A340. From what I heard, they didn't even go past 85% N1 for takeoff, which isn't so surprising considering the engines and wings were designed with the A380-900 in mind.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:30 am

I hardly think the 380 was loaded to capacity for it's first flight. It seemed to float off the runway almost immediately on rotation.

Large and impressive it is... sleek it is not. I think the euphoria of the event has taken over.

744 is still a more pleasing and purposeful shape in MY eye.

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:21 am

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 9):
Anybody notice how far he floated down the runway before touching down? whoops.

That was on purpose. They obviously had no data on how its flares from a 3 deg. glideslope yet - those data will be collected during the test program.

He came in flat and fast and let it bleed off excess speed at two feet altitude, knowing that the runway was way too long for the featherlight plane.

Quoting Jat74l (Reply 20):
I hardly think the 380 was loaded to capacity for it's first flight.

Take-off weight was 421 tonnes or almost exactly 75% of max take-off weight.

Rolling 1500m at such a low weight indicates that it must have been on reduced power. The rather shallow initial climb out also indicates that.

It spent four hours at low altitude, mostly with gear down, and I didn't notice that the leading edge slats ever were retracted. In such "dirty" configuration at low altitude it must have had a pretty high fuel burn, most likely over 100 tonnes. Landing at just over 300 tonnes is featherlight for that bird.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:33 am

Yes! Not only does "The Hunchback of Toulouse" scare me while crawling around on the ground... But now from the sky too! LOL  laughing 

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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:29 am

maybe it's just the awe, but I must agree that once airborne, the A380 becomes a beautiful aircraft. maybe not the most beautiful aircraft.

think about it, when you see a 747, even when it's parked on the ground, it's still linked in your mind to images of it in the air that help you edit out what may be ugly about a land-bound plane. seeing the A380 takeoff seals the deal for me.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:20 pm

I was really impressed with it. It didn't change my opinion of it much except I was really taken by the size of the wings... they are massive!!.. more so than I realized. I had been uh, let's say, uncomfortable with the shape of the nose but since they came out with the Airbus A380 livery I've warmed up to it somewhat. I still don't think the plane is an exceptional technological leap or anything other than just being big but it will be fun to watch, spot and photograph as they land and take off all over the world.

[Edited 2005-04-29 05:22:16]
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:44 pm

I was impressed - it seemed to fly well, in terms of handling characteristics, as far as you could tell. And the pilot definitely seemed to like it.

The floating along the runway was interesting. Worth mentioning that, on a first flight, the pilots have to guess at approach and landing speeds, to an extent.

Generally, larger aeroplanes require slightly faster speeds; so the 'floating' could be a sign that the A380 can in fact be brought in and put down at lower speeds than expected. Which is a good sign.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:51 pm

I still don't care for how it looks, but beyond that it certainly is an amazing accomplishment. And of course the look of the aircraft doesn't matter that much to those who buying the airplane.

[Edited 2005-04-29 05:52:46]
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:26 pm

A Test Flight gone as per plan.Thats what Airbus says.
I guess after seeing the Aircraft perform,some opinions would change.
It was undoubtly a fantastic display.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:31 pm

Shes still one of the ugliest aircraft Ive seen fly, but impressive none the less...my hat is off to Airbus, good work.
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:51 pm

I have to agree as well. It looked awesome in flight.  thumbsup 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:32 pm

Witnessing the takeoff - and especially the landing - has to rank amongst the most emotional moments in my life as an aviation enthusiast.
Her takeoff was like a decade-long dream becoming flesh - unshackled at last.
Her landing was simply the most beautiful landing I've ever seen - floating gently like a stingray over the runway...for a moment it was as if she appeared to come to a complete standstill...hovering gently, silently and majestetically above the ground. I was speechless!

For every aviation enthusiast this ought to be a truly momentous occasion, if the re ever was one!
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting Widebody (Reply 13):
wasn't a single warning generated during the flight phase

Actually, there has been one, concerning the trap-door of a landing-gear. The alarm said it wasn't closed properly, but the Corvet that recorded the flght could witnessed that every trap-door was well closed.

About the change of minds from the plane on the ground and the plane airborne, one must conclude that it is the ground which is uggly Big grin
Anyway, I belong to the many of you who find it uggly when not in the air, but very graceful and impressive when flying...
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 25):
Generally, larger aeroplanes require slightly faster speeds; so the 'floating' could be a sign that the A380 can in fact be brought in and put down at lower speeds than expected. Which is a good sign.

Just looking at the sheer size of those wings - they've got to generate a LOT of lift (obviously..) - the A380 has an extremely LOW wing loading (would you believe..), which will help low T/O and landing speeds.

I'm just guessing, but I wonder if such a huge wing area caused a large "ground effect" at the landing Angle-of-Attack, resulting in the "float"?
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:48 am

I was utterly impressed with the A380 when it flew. Good job Airbus!

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 32):
Just looking at the sheer size of those wings - they've got to generate a LOT of lift (obviously..) - the A380 has an extremely LOW wing loading (would you believe..), which will help low T/O and landing speeds.

I think the wings are the most unique things about this a/c. The size is so that the 380 can be built bigger. It is meant to grow, this is the 318 maybe 319 of the A380 family. I doubt we will ever see a 380-700, especially if Boeing does the 747adv. This bird was built to grow. I can't wait to see it in larger stretched versions if the market grows like it is supposed to.
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Sat Apr 30, 2005 5:07 am

I would love to become a pilot on that bird!  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:09 am

Guys !
The pilot elected to touch down right in front of the VIPs stand which was also set up abeam the computed take-off point.(Confirmed by an AI engineer).

Nav20 (reply 25) :
The floating along the runway was interesting. Worth mentioning that, on a first flight, the pilots have to guess at approach and landing speeds, to an extent
No guesswork here.Aerodynamics is a fairly exact science and part of the first tests performed were confirmation of the computed/sim speeds and behaviour.

Generally, larger aeroplanes require slightly faster speeds; so the 'floating' could be a sign that the A380 can in fact be brought in and put down at lower speeds than expected. Which is a good sign.
What determines an approach or a take-off speed is 1/the wing design and the lift coefficient of the wing/flap configuration and 2/the aircraft mass.
The concept of "heavy" is only relative to that design .

it seemed to fly well, in terms of handling characteristics
AND consider that the pilots only used direct law !!!
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RE: A380 Image Changed Since First Flight?

Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:59 pm

That was an ECAM indication AirBoeing, not a system ECAM warning.

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