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B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:35 am

Saw a 777 with "AS" after the serial number landing at DAL yestersay. It was white with a few stripes. Dallas Mavericks 757 took off after it landed. Anyone have info on this?
 
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:42 am

was prob. N777AS you saw.
 
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:57 am

Fboweb.com showed it coming in from IAH yesterday with a flight plan filed to Cancun today. Registered to Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee. Must be some Mid East shindig going on there since there's also a Saudia MD-11 inbound to MMUN from Stansted and a Falcon 900 flight planned from Gander to Cancun.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:38 am

I saw this plane turning on to finals over Addison yesterday afternoon. I didn't even think DAL could handle a 777. The weather was absolutely pristine and it looked like it was slowly floating over the suburbs.
 
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:44 am

Quoting JonnyGT (Reply 4):
I didn't even think DAL could handle a 777

DAL used to accomodate the Big Orange Monster of Braniff.


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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:46 am

WellsFargo owns their own T7? Maybe I won't stop banking with them!

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:57 am

I am sure that is who the lease is through just like my house. Wells Fargo would own t if I stopped paying the mortgage.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting JonnyGT (Reply 4):
I didn't even think DAL could handle a 777.

Braniff started DAL to HNL 747 service before DFW was even built.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:02 am

Wasn't the Saudi prince meeting with Pres. Bush on his ranch in Crawford this week? If so, could he be using this plane?
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:15 am

Indeed, and the Concorde, if I am not mistaken.
Anybody back me up on this?
 
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:17 am

Quoting BNAflyer78 (Reply 9):
Wasn't the Saudi prince meeting with Pres. Bush on his ranch in Crawford this week

Holding hands is more like it........

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 3):
Must be some Mid East shindig going on there since there's also a Saudia MD-11 inbound to MMUN from Stansted

What is MMUN? (Three letter codes are much better for mass communication with persons in posession of an inferior intelligence, like myself, who can barely decode IATA, let alone ICAO.)

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
Braniff started DAL to HNL 747 service before DFW was even built.

Delta flew their 747 into DAL in addition to Braniff. (ATL-DAL-LAX/SFO)
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 5:41 am

WellsFargo owns their own T7? Maybe I won't stop banking with them

Wells Fargo owns hundreds of aircraft as they are one of the largest aircraft financing banks in the world.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Wells Fargo owns hundreds of aircraft as they are one of the largest aircraft financing banks in the world.

That's actually not quite right. They are a big bank, and they are listed by the FAA as the registered owner of hundreds (if not thousands) of aircraft, but they do not typically provide any financing. Rather, Wells Fargo frequently acts as an "owner trustee" for aircraft.

The U.S. has some very restrictive rules when it comes to airline and aircraft ownership. Many people here might be aware that U.S. airlines cannot be more than 25% foreign owned. Well, the same applies to aircraft on the FAA registry.

So, what happens when a foreign person (and by "person," I mean any entity--bank, corporation, whatever) wants to register an aircraft in the U.S.? They transfer title to the aircraft to one of these owner trusts, which are considered U.S. citizens for FAA registration purposes. For legal reasons, most of these trusts are set up in certain states, and there are a few trust companies that specialize in acting as "trustee" in this sort of arrangement. Wells Fargo Bank Northwest, N.A., in Utah, is one of the biggest--other big names include Wilmington Trust Company and U.S. Bank.

The "real" owner (which can be a foreign person) maintains a beneficial interest in the trust, and they can instruct the trustee to sell, lease, etc. the aircraft, subject to certain limitations that must be included in the trust agreement in order to satisfy the ownership laws.

So, although Wells Fargo is listed as owning this aircraft, they really just act as trustee for the beneficial owner, in this case presumably Mid East Jet.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Indeed, and the Concorde, if I am not mistaken.
Anybody back me up on this?

The Concorde interchange, and actually Concorde's EIS, was after the move to DFW
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting BNAflyer78 (Reply 9):
Wasn't the Saudi prince meeting with Pres. Bush on his ranch in Crawford this week? If so, could he be using this plane?

He left late yesterday afternoon in an entourage of 3 ac.. a 744, his 743 and a Gulfstream of some sort.. bound for Casablanca, Morocco; or so Flight Explorer said..
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:07 am

I saw this 777 at IAH on the FedEX ramp on Tuesday when I departed on a NW DC9 for MEM. So whose is it?
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 16):
So whose is it?

Wells Fargo owns it. Did you even read any of the posts?
 
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 17):
Wells Fargo owns it. Did you even read any of the posts?

No they don't...did YOU read any of the posts (particularly #13)?  Smile
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
What is MMUN?

MMUN = Munich (atleast as far as I know)
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:12 pm

MMUN, is Cancun Mexico...German airports all have ED** as their prefix. Mexican airports use MM** as their icao
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:12 pm

MMUN - Cancun, Mexico
EDDM - Munich, Germany

As a rule, all ICAO codes for Europe start with an E.

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
What is MMUN? (Three letter codes are much better for mass communication with persons in posession of an inferior intelligence, like myself, who can barely decode IATA, let alone ICAO.)



Quoting LambertSTL777 (Reply 19):
MMUN = Munich (atleast as far as I know)

Nope.

Cancun - International (CUN/MMUN), Mexico.

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:24 pm

Correct. This was parked at the freighter ramp adjacent to CO Cargo at IAH.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:06 pm

As a rule, all ICAO codes for Europe start with an E

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:50 pm

....and exactly why I wish we could all show some love (and not how big our brains are...) to our fellow A.Netters, and stick to 3-letter codes...much easy to understand...and we'll still think you're smart.

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Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:56 pm

Correct me if I am wrong on this,but I thought that N****as is the registration for Alaska airlines planes???? confused 



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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 26):
Correct me if I am wrong on this,but I thought that N****as is the registration for Alaska airlines planes?

If Alaska doesn't have N777AS in their fleet, it is open for anyone to use.
The letter suffixes at the end of registrations are not unique to airlines.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:21 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 27):
If Alaska doesn't have N777AS in their fleet, it is open for anyone to use.
The letter suffixes at the end of registrations are not unique to airlines.

Thanks,for clearing that up for me.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:21 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 27):
If Alaska doesn't have N777AS in their fleet, it is open for anyone to use.
The letter suffixes at the end of registrations are not unique to airlines.

Actually, N777AS is assigned to Boeing 777-24Q, sn 29271, owned by Wells Fargo.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 12:35 am

I personally can vouch that 747's did come into love field; however, I did not personally witness this. I was not born yet. However, my father and mother used to tell me that they would go out to Love Field in the evenings (time period around a year to six months before DFW opened and watch the jumbos come in.

My Dad said that they took every inch they could get, barely clearing the fence sometimes and that there was usually a tug at the end of the runway because the planes would stop, but not short enough to make the last turn off. He only regrets that he never took photos. He's seen pictures I've shown him of St. Maartin and said it looked very familiar.

It's been a long while since I asked about it, and I'll see today, he might tell me some more tidbits since I'm older now.

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:33 am

Great response FoxBravo. The largest aircraft owner/lessee remains AIG. Your correct about the formation of an operating trust as well. Notice when an airline goes bankrupt and assets are liquidated. The Reg number will remain the same for years. US flew 757's and DC9's for years with Eastern reg. Only when all trust are dissolved and the bankruptcy discharged or settled with FAA allow the owner to change the reg.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:54 am

For all the fans of Big Iron using short runways, Braniff did indeed fly the famous 747 N601BN from Dallas Love Field to HNL, a distance of 3291nm. on a daily basis. Additionally, there is an interesting article somewhere in the archives of Flying magazine by Len Morgan, a long retired captain, about a hot summer take-off from 7752' runway 31R. on a flight to Honolulu. The Great Pumpkin made it off the ground, naturally, with the main gear unsticking at the far end threshold; the old bird skimming over the top of Bachman Lake to the consternation of passing drivers on the W. Northwest highway. I love old war stories like that.
 
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:57 am

Correct me if I am wrong on this,but I thought that N****as is the registration for Alaska airlines planes????

You can also reserve a block of number for future fleet growth, but will need to pay the fee's to hold the numbers even though you are not using them.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:24 am

My father worked for Braniff from 1956 to May 1982. In fact he was a non-rev on the last Braniff flight to operate; N601BN from HNL to DFW which landed May 13, 1982, the day after Braniff had declared bankruptcy.

Braniff flew 747 N601BN from DAL to HNL daily from about January 15, 1971 until DFW opened on January 13, 1974. I remember flying that route on a 707-320 before the 747 was delivered. Then flying the 747 a couple of times from DAL to HNL, then later from DFW to HNL. I also rode on N601BN on a couple of other flights out of DAL. In the early 70s, Braniff had their 747 maintenance done in LAX, and would ferry the 747 to LAX for a 24 hour stay. Employees and their families could ride along. Another time was flying the 747 to ICT to pickup a charter group traveling to HNL. This was a short 1 hour flight that was an equipment swap for a much smaller aircraft, and we had only 30 people on board.
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:47 am

In addition to Braniff and Delta, American also flew 747's into DAL. They used gate 5, which is now used by Southwest. See George Cearley's book on Love Field for pictures.

Does the 777 we're discussing have more than 56 seats? If it does, I suppose we can expect a hissy fit, soiled shorts, and burst arteries from the Fort Worth city gov't and from American Airlines.  Wink

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:10 am

Thats funny about the allusion to the Wright Amendment...but it did rrive from within the state, although I am sure an international departure from DAL would stir some things up.

As far as the aircraft passengers, does anyone have any remote ideas? I imagine that jet is simply magnificent inside...wish there were some pics around, as it is one of the very few T7's outiftted as private and/or business aircraft.

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 8:27 am

It's at FLL, KFLL, Fort Lauderdale Florida right now.

It appears that COA7 was the last B777 in DAL on 9/15/03. Don't know the story but it did the usual RJAA route that should have been from IAH, so perhaps a stop in DAL for some reason?

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:38 am

Quoting TCFC424 (Reply 36):
Thats funny about the allusion to the Wright Amendment...but it did rrive from within the state, although I am sure an international departure from DAL would stir some things up.

The Saudi GIV that was here earlier arrived from Gander, Newfoundland. We had one of their CL604s depart here for London via Gander as well. The Saudi 744 that was here flew in from overseas, as did the 743. They also brought in a BBJ from Santa Maria (one of the Canaries maybe?). If the flight is a charter or non-sked exceptions will be made here  Smile

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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 6):
WellsFargo owns their own T7? Maybe I won't stop banking with them!

Oh jesus dude you're a "law student" and you didn't know that when you lease an aircraft (or car) or ar making payments on something, you pay THE BANK?
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RE: B-777 Landing At Love Field...

Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:01 am

Oh, and don't forget N4522V B747SP that was in DAL earlier this year!

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