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F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:25 am

I believe this is the last F9 737 that was being returned. Here is the story and a link. This aircraft has a long history of strange things happening....

DENVER - A Frontier Airlines plane had to make an emergency landing after mechanics working on the jet forgot to replace a critical part, 9NEWS has learned.

The Federal Aviation Administration confirms that on Friday, aircraft number 313 took off from Denver headed for Oakland. There were no passengers on board.

Just a few minutes into the flight, warning lights came on telling the pilots they were losing oil pressure. They turned the plane around and returned to DIA.

It turns out the plane had just undergone a "bore inspection" at the airport and the crew forgot the oil-plug. Investigators tell 9News that without oil the plane's engines would have only been able to operate for about 60 minutes. The flight from Colorado to California is roughly two hours.

The plane was empty because it was a lease-return being flown back to its owner in the Bay area.

Frontier tells 9News that it is taking the incident very seriously and an active investigation is underway. The airline has a spotless safety record since it began flying in 1994

http://9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNA...76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:29 am

I seem to remember this same thing happening on an Eastern Airlines L-1011, 20 years ago.

On that incident, they didn't put the oil plugs in all 3 engines.
 
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I seem to remember this same thing happening on an Eastern Airlines L-1011, 20 years ago.

On that incident, they didn't put the oil plugs in all 3 engines

In that case the AMT's did not ensure that the chip detectors had o-rings installed on them. Thus causing the engines to lose oil.
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:48 am

Was that the incident where a ditching looked probable until the engines were restarted only a few thousand feet AGL?
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:00 am

I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE NEXT GUY LEASING THAT AIRCRAFT. Jesus
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:50 am

That is kind of a stupid remark for a B757 captain... How would this have anything to do with the future safety of the aircraft?!
 
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:01 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't losing oil pressure cause excessive wear on those poor engines? It would be like buying a secondhand car off 'Dodgy Joe' that lives two doors away, only to have it break down every other day!

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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:06 am

Wow hey this shows, human error is the highest cause of incidents!
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:09 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 6):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't losing oil pressure cause excessive wear on those poor engines

If engines are worn past limits, they're changed. As Floris said, it was kind of a nonsensical remark by B757capt.

[Edited 2005-04-29 02:10:14]
 
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:14 am

Quoting B757capt (Reply 4):
I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE NEXT GUY LEASING THAT AIRCRAFT.

It's not clear if the aircraft being returned was turned over to the lessor at DEN, or was to be on arrival at OAK, but either way if the engines suffered damage as a result from Frontier's error, one can easily surmise who'll be liable for any repair/overhaul costs...
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:16 am

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 8):
Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 6):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't losing oil pressure cause excessive wear on those poor engines

If engines are worn past limits, they're changed. As Floris said, it was kind of a nonsensical remark by B757capt.

[Edited 2005-04-29 02:10:14]

Who will be responsible for paying for this engine change (replacement)? Frontier? or do airliners have some sort of insurance that would cover such situations?

If the guy leasing this plane next is going to be the one responsible then I agree with Jamie757.
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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:18 am

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 8):
If engines are worn past limits, they're changed

I appreciate that, but isn't that going to cost the new operators of the plane money though?

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RE: F9 Forgets To Put Oil Plug In Causing Emerg. Land

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:02 am

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 11):
I appreciate that, but isn't that going to cost the new operators of the plane money though?

I'm sure the leasing company would not lease out an aircraft if it was not airworthy or in good condition. The airline leasing the aircraft would also inspect the aircraft's service records to know what they're getting into.

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