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Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:10 pm

First of all, yes I did search but I couldn't find what I was looking for necessarily. Basically, I'm curious to know what route, anywhere in the world, has the largest amount of separate, competing carriers operating on it? It seems to me I remember there may have been a thread kind of relating to this, but not exactly. I think it may have actually been what route has the most frequencies, but I don't think it mentioned what route had the most airlines on it?

Also, I'm mostly interested in finding out what route has not only the most airlines on it, but the route that has the most airlines all operating with full rights between those two cities? I know that BKK-HKG/SIN, for example, all have a bunch of European carries operating on them, but I'm pretty sure that not many of them have 5th freedom rights to pick up passengers locally. I have a feeling that the route that will end up having what I'm looking for, will be in Europe, specifically in between countries both in the EU.

Let the discussion begin! Thanks for any info you guys come up with for me! Oh, and if you want to post to tell me to search again, don't bother because not only did I already do that, but this is the whole purpose of a public forum. Thanks!
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:18 pm

Hello NW777,
Just wait till end 2005 and you shall see BOM-LHR as the route with as many as 7 airlines, the highest between any European and Asian city.
They are Air India, British Airways, British Midland, Virgin Atlantic, Jet airways, Air Sahara and Indian Airlines(maybe).
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:22 pm

On BKK-SIN, there is AirAsia, JetStar Asia, Thai, Singapore Airlines, Finnair, Garuda, Swiss, Scandinavian, Turkish, Finnair, Cathay, Biman, Indian Airlines and Valuair. All with full traffic rights. 14 airlines.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:24 pm

Add Tiger Airways to that list as well for fifteen!
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:25 pm

Outside of the EU it has to be LHR-JFK.

Within the EU, it may be LHR-AMS , but I may be wrong
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:34 pm

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 2):
On BKK-SIN, there is AirAsia, JetStar Asia, Thai, Singapore Airlines, Finnair, Garuda, Swiss, Scandinavian, Turkish, Finnair, Cathay, Biman, Indian Airlines and Valuair. All with full traffic rights. 14 airlines.

HOLY COW!!!  Wow! All with full rights!?!? That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks Nick!
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:40 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 4):
Outside of the EU it has to be LHR-JFK.

Within the EU, it may be LHR-AMS , but I may be wrong

huh?

JFK - LHR is only served by 4 airlines at present (BA VS AA UA) unless Cathay has started yet. Surely there are plenty of other routes that have 4 airlines on and I am sure there are ones with more.

LHR to AMS is only served by KLM bmi and BA.

I'm sure both of these can be easily beaten.
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:43 pm

Quoting BA380 (Reply 6):
JFK - LHR is only served by 4 airlines at present (BA VS AA UA) unless Cathay has started yet. Surely there are plenty of other routes that have 4 airlines on and I am sure there are ones with more.

Actually there are a couple of others who have rights such as KU, AI and SQ, I think. but the number of seats they offer is small.....
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:11 pm

Correct KU & AI do but not SQ, they have been fighting to get the rights for years now. CX not sure what the state of play is on that one....
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:13 pm

i do not think that any pair beats SIN BKK (if memory serves well, asiana also had a flight on there, but that seems to be discontinued.

SIN JKT has 10 carriers, namely
SQ, GA, VF, TG, AI, KL, LH, EK, PR, CX - not sure if bouraq and merpati are still in business....
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:31 pm

Largest number of airlines operating on a route in New Zealand is 3 airlines (NZ, QF and QO), thats on the WLG-CHC route. The WLG-AKL route also have three airlines on the route but QO doesn't operate anymore direct flights since their 2 ATR72s left the fleet last year.
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:40 pm

AKL-SYD
NZ, TG, QF, EK, AR, Lan Chile
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:05 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 11):
AKL-SYD
NZ, TG, QF, EK, AR, Lan Chile

Also TN
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:11 pm

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 2):
Finnair, Garuda, Swiss, Scandinavian, Turkish, Finnair,

How many Finnair's are there?  Smile
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:17 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 12):
Also TN

TN don't fly AKL-SYD, but as a freighter service, DHL and SQ cargo do.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:26 pm

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 14):
TN don't fly AKL-SYD, but as a freighter service, DHL and SQ cargo do.

According to TNs route map on their web-site and AKLs web-site, they do
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:28 pm

LON (Not specifically LHR) - NYC

BA
VS
CO
DL
AA
US
AI
Kuwait AW
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:08 pm

Quoting RICARDOAB (Reply 16):
LON (Not specifically LHR) - NYC

That wouldn't make it just one route, which is the focus here in these thread!
So that really doesn't count!

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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:12 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
According to TNs route map on their web-site and AKLs web-site, they do

It may be that TN fly between the two cities as part of one service to both, but cannot pick up passengers in AKL and take to SYD.
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:13 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
According to TNs route map on their web-site and AKLs web-site, they do

Although this flight has a TN flight number (TN401), it is operated by QF using a B733. This however isn't a code share flight with QF, and you will only find pax from the PPT-AKL flight on board. It is a separate flight from QF190 (B763) that departs at the same time.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 9:39 pm

SYD-SIN:
QF, AO, SQ, BA, GF, EK, GA (via DPS) Royal Bruni (via BRI) MH (via KUL, might be pushing it  Smile )

Total of nine, all have trafic rights

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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:19 pm

SYD-SIN
I only count 4- Direct
QF, SQ, BA, GF,

AO GA MH BI are all via "someplace"

EK is sched SYD-DBX but is that nonstop??

Several others codeshare-
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:03 am

LAX-HNL has 7-

UA, AA, HA, DL, CO, NW, TZ, plus some charters

Thats a hefty number of airlines/flights! Throw in AQ from SNA too and thats 8. This route is served by ALL of the Big 5 'Legacy Carriers' and might be the only one with that distinction.

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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 3:52 am

Between Hong Kong & Bangkok with Full traffic right.

TG
CX
KA
GF
KQ
OX
CI
EK
AY
ET
UL
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 12:45 pm

Kuala Lumpur-Jakarta (11 airlines)
1. Malaysia Airlines
2. Air Asia
3. Garuda Indonesia
4. Merpati Nusantara
5. Lion Airlines
6. Star Air
7. KLM Royal Dutch
8. Qatar Airways
9. Emirates
10. Yemenia
11. Saudi Arabian

Singapore-Jakarta (11 airlines)
1. Singapore Airlines
2. Garuda Indonesia
3. Cathay Pacific
4. Thai Airways
5. Philippine Airlines
6. Air France
7. Lufthansa
8. KLM Royal Dutch
9. Saudi Arabian
10. Air India
11. Emirates
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 2:49 pm

Quoting RICARDOAB (Reply 16):
LON (Not specifically LHR) - NYC

BA
VS
CO
DL
AA
US
AI
Kuwait AW

Neither US or DL fly LON-NYC. I assume you meant United though.

LAX-NRT has JAL, ANA, NW, American, Thai, Korean, Varig, and SQ I believe.

NYC-FLL has Delta, American, Continental, US Airways, JetBlue, Spirit, and USA3000.
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 3:49 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 25):
LAX-NRT has JAL, ANA, NW, American, Thai, Korean, Varig, and SQ I believe

And I'm assuming you meant to have United included in that route as well. They've been serving that route for years. They are even adding another daily B777 flight this summer.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 4:03 pm

Quoting KEno (Reply 24):
Singapore-Jakarta (11 airlines)
1. Singapore Airlines
2. Garuda Indonesia
3. Cathay Pacific
4. Thai Airways
5. Philippine Airlines
6. Air France
7. Lufthansa
8. KLM Royal Dutch
9. Saudi Arabian
10. Air India
11. Emirates



Quoting Hailstone (Reply 9):

SIN JKT has 10 carriers, namely
SQ, GA, VF, TG, AI, KL, LH, EK, PR, CX

Small correction there, LH does not fly SIN-CGK anymore. They serve CGK through BKK now.
I would also say that BKK-SIN is the route flown by the most airlines.
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 7:29 pm

And next to that, KL will stop the route SIN-CGK too and will only fly Jakarta through KUL in the near future.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 8:21 pm

GIG-GRU: 13 airlines serve this route

1. RG;
2. TAM;
3. GOL;
4. BRA;
5. AA;
6. CO;
7. BA;
8. LA;
9. AV;
10. TP;
11. PU;
12. AR;
13. LAB;

Did I forget any airline operating this route?

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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Mon May 02, 2005 9:52 pm

I know its not direct but LHR-SYD. There must be at least a dozen airlines that fly that route.
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 4:10 am

It may come as a surprise to many but it seems pretty obvious from this thread that BA really doesn't have that much competition operating to/from LHR on any specific route. Shouldn't be that big of a surprise though.
SQ from SIN on the other hand, seems to have competition up the whazoo  Smile Gee, wonder why they're not jumping at the 787.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting Paul (Reply 30):
I know its not direct but LHR-SYD. There must be at least a dozen airlines that fly that route.

Not at all! BA, QF and VS are the only ones with single flight numbers LHR-SYD - plenty of others have the ability to connect, such as SQ or EK (or several of the EU carriers) but that hardly counts??
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 29):
GIG-GRU: 13 airlines serve this route

No foreign carrier has traffic rights here.

I came up with the following based on May schedules:

14 HKGBKK (AI, AY, CI, CX, EK, ET, GF, KA, KQ, OX, PK, TG, TK, UL)
12 SINBKK (AY, BG, CX, GA, IC, LX, SK, SQ, TG, TK TR, VF)
10 KULCGK (5H, AK, EK, GA, IY, JT, KL, MH, MZ, QR)
10 KWIDXB (AI, BG, EK, JU, KU, NL, OA, TG, UL, WY)
09 SINCGK (AI, CX, EK, GA, KL, PR, SQ, TG, VF)
08 BKKNRT (AI, BG, JL, JO, NH, NW, TG, UA)
08 CGKSUB (5H, 6D, BO, GA, IO, JT, KI, MZ)
08 DXBMCT (EK, KU, LH, LX, NL, RB, SV, WY)
08 LAXNRT (AA, JL, KE, NH, NW, RG, SQ, UA)
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 9:03 am

I presume you're not counting codeshares here?
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 5:13 pm

AF022,
You might wanna add FD (Thai AirAsia), and 3K (JetStar Asia) to the BKK-SIN list. And 3I (Thai Sky Airlines, one that operates the L1011) to the BKK-HKG list.

RJpieces,
THAI does not operate NRT-LAX anymore. The only LAX flights for TG are operated via Osaka-Kansai (KIX) as TG774/775.

And if you guys include all those code-shared flights to BKK-SIN route, you'll probably be able to add a few more airlines to the list. Ha Ha

By the way, Aeroflot and Czech Airlines used to operate this route but discontinued a while ago.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:33 pm

Hey Gemuser and StealthZ, in regards to Aus-Singapore; actually Melbourne has more carriers than Sydney on that one. QF, BA, SQ, EK, OS
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:33 pm

OK certainly not the most but I can contribute to the chart of giving some information of routes served from NRT back in 2001 July

NRT-LAX

Served by Japan Airlines, Singapore Airlines, Northwest, United, Korean, All Nippon, Delta, Thai, Malaysia, and Varig Brazil. I know that at least, Thai is gone but in turn, AA operates this route.

NRT-ICN

Served by KE, UA, JL (and former JAS), NW, OZ, NH

NRT-BKK

Japan Airlines, Thai Airways, Northwest, All Nippon Airways, Air India, and Beaman Bangladesh
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:41 pm

SIN-CGK....

1. Singapore Airlines
2. Garuda Indonesia
3. Cathay Pacific
4. Thai Airways
5. Philippine Airlines
6. Air France -- No Longer.
7. Lufthansa -- No Longer.
8. KLM Royal Dutch
9. Saudi Arabian
10. Air India
11. Emirates
12. Lion

So that makes it 10.

I think Kuwait also does CGK-SIN-Kuwait.

KUL-CGK
1. Malaysia Airlines
2. Air Asia
3. Garuda Indonesia
4. Merpati Nusantara
5. Lion Airlines
6. Star Air
7. KLM Royal Dutch
8. Qatar Airways
9. Emirates
10. Yemenia
11. Saudi Arabian

I wonder if Gulf Air group still serve this route...

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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 7:07 pm

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 11):
AKL-SYD
NZ, TG, QF, EK, AR, Lan Chile

Also PH

Try AKL-BNE aswell.

NZ, QF, EK, TG, BI, GA, DJ starting soon, SJ ending soon.
 
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RE: Largest Amount Of Airlines On One Route?

Tue May 03, 2005 7:39 pm

NRT - LAX has nine:
American
ANA
JAL
Korean
Northwest
Singapore
Thai
Varig
United


Not too shabby. Not as many as others, but if you multiply the number of carriers by the kilometers of the route, that is probably largest!

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