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Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 1:25 am

With immediate effect the Dutch Inspection for Traffic and Waterways (the Dutch equivalent of the FAA) banned Phuket Air from using Dutch airports and thus revoked all landing rights to/from The Netherlands. The ban follows a check of yesterdays flight where the inspectors discovered that a pilot who was to operate AMS-BKK didn't have his medical papers and a warning a few weeks ago when there were some questions regarding the safety of Phuket Air (one can only ask why Phuket Air was so stupid not to check is the paperwork wasn't fully correct as they were warned they would be subject to inspection the coming weeks). As a result 165 Ducth tourists are stranded in BKK and touroperators will have to seek alternatives.

Source NOS Teletekst

BTW the Ducth FAA also announced it will do more checks as some low cost operators from "the middle east" did have a questionable safety standard (they cited two incidents with Onur Air and one with Fly Air
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 1:35 am

Strangely there is no mention of any problems on the BKK to AMS route on their website.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 1:37 am

also two planes of phuket air have been grounded lately, rigth?

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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 1:38 am

According to the AMS website tomorrows flight is cancelled.

Lokale tijd: 2005-04-30 18:36
Schema Vlucht Herkomst Status Actueel Details Volg vlucht
08:30 9R 0619 Bangkok Cancelled Details SMS, e-mail
08:30 9R 0619 Sharjah Cancelled Details SMS, e-mail

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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 1:40 am

Yes I noticed the inaugural photo's of the pre party of the first flight with the Ambassador and Vice president here

Pre Party photo's for the first flight on 23th of march 2005
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 1:41 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Strangely there is no mention of any problems on the BKK to AMS route on their website.

they proabbly will. never do so. A friend of mine works as a travel agent and he received a mail (regarding the delays up to 24hours) from an agent in Bangkok who says that he arranged for accomodation of the stranded pax as Phuket Air doesn't seem to do anything. Moreover when did they mention they would cancel LGW?? They just removed the destination.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 1:45 am

They are making a big mess there. First the would start AMS-BKK-SYD and SYD got cancelled. Planes got not serviced well ( KLM is maintaining the 747's )

So a great job is going on there
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Sun May 01, 2005 4:06 am

Just heard that they are going to land on BRU for the next few days. Is it taht easy to get landing rights in BRU?
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting Skippy777 (Reply 7):
Just heard that they are going to land on BRU for the next few days. Is it taht easy to get landing rights in BRU?

I doubt this will please the Dutch pax (majority) but for Jetair (Belgian touroperator) this would be perfect. However I hope the Belgian authorities will do the same if checks reveal no improvement (but then again it will be over soon as most budget pax are not going to drive to Brussels to catch a flight.

BTW strange that an airline which is banned in two european countries can still fly to Europe.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 4:37 am

I was scheduled to fly out from AMS to BKK on wednesday 4 may by Phuket Air. My travel agent, vliegtarieven.nl, told me today when I called them they are planning to fly normally wednesday. Can anyone confirm they won't so I can demand rebooking or money back?
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 5:04 am

MEA-707,

I heard the rumour that a Martinair MD-11 will do that flight, but nothing confirmed yet. I think Phuket aims to have their license back by mid May but don't know for sure if they'll get it again.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 5:05 am

NOSnieuws.nl reports that there are still 120 passengers stranded in Bangkok because of the revoked license of Phuket Air.

MEA, I think you need to pressure your travel agent, because I think the chances are slim that you can fly with Phuket Air from Schiphol this Wednesday. However, there were talks that Phuket Air was rerouting to Brussels.

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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Skippy777 (Reply 6):
( KLM is maintaining the 747's )

No, they own some ex KLM aircraft, but they contracted their maintenance with other providers.
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
No, they own some ex KLM aircraft, but they contracted their maintenance with other providers.

Done in Jakarta. Most of their 747s are junk, including the KLM planes. One of them was rejected by Orient Thai apparently before going to 9R.

Quoting ChrisZRH (Reply 2):
also two planes of phuket air have been grounded lately, rigth

Only two passed the inspections by the Thai authorities, a 747 and a 757.
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
No, they own some ex KLM aircraft, but they contracted their maintenance with other providers.

Except for line maintenance at AMS. Although this is only line maintenance, in the past one particular airline (not flying to AMS anymore) is rumourmed sending only planes to AMS which would require maintenance once in AMS and thus basically KLM was their maintenance provider.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 11):
NOSnieuws.nl reports that there are still 120 passengers stranded in Bangkok because of the revoked license of Phuket Air.

These pax are only the TUI pax. According to nu.nl around 300 pax couldn't travel on Saturdays BKK-AMS flight and 350 couldn't fly today AMS-BKK. Some of those were rebooked (mostly the TUI pax) but most of them have to wait (will be busy on AMS-BKK and AMS-DPS the coming weeks).

BTW Phuket still has a 747 grounded at LGW

[Edited 2005-05-01 22:39:33]
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 6:25 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 13):
Done in Jakarta. Most of their 747s are junk, including the KLM planes. One of them was rejected by Orient Thai apparently before going to 9R.

Surely if an a/c is THAT crappy, no-one should be allowed to buy it?
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 4:19 pm

Quoting MEA-707" class=quote target=_blank>MEA-707 (Reply 9):
I was scheduled to fly out from AMS to BKK on wednesday 4 may by Phuket Air. My travel agent, vliegtarieven.nl, told me today when I called them they are planning to fly normally wednesday. Can anyone confirm they won't so I can demand rebooking or money back?

MEA 707 I just received confirmation that all flights till May 15th are cancelled and Phuket Air has authorised full refund for all pax. Your travel agent should have received a fax or mail from Phuket Air.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 4:28 pm

Quoting ChrisZRH (Reply 2):
also two planes of phuket air have been grounded lately, rigth?

Only one I can think off was the LGW incident when fuel was pouring out of the wings. What was the other incident?
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 7:33 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
No, they own some ex KLM aircraft, but they contracted their maintenance with other providers.

That is not true Keesje.
I contacted Persfoto.com and they where at the party in Wassenaar. Rene de Jonge Director Kalas Airline services and the Vice president Phuket Air confirmed that KLM is doing the maintainance.

Confirmed with both parties.

Do you know who also got stuck in Bali. It;s Albert Isenger Photographer of the largest Gossip magazine Prive in Holland. He was on a working job in Bali and has a major problem.

[Edited 2005-05-02 12:35:00]
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 8:08 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 17):
Only one I can think off was the LGW incident when fuel was pouring out of the wings. What was the other incident?

I'm not 100% sure but wasn't there also a 747 grounded at Sharjah??
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 8:13 pm

Quoting LJ (Reply 19):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 17):
Only one I can think off was the LGW incident when fuel was pouring out of the wings. What was the other incident?

I'm not 100% sure but wasn't there also a 747 grounded at Sharjah??

Is there anyone who can confirm this?
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 11:52 pm

I thought that the plane with fuel pouring out of the wing was grounded at Sharjah and the replacement aircraft was grounded with hydaulic problems at LGW.

I am not sure whether the aircraft were ex KLM or ex Garuda.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Mon May 02, 2005 11:59 pm

No one and i mean no one in their right mind should fly this airline. I would never set my fot on one of their aircraft, they really sound like a disaster waiting to happen.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Tue May 03, 2005 2:59 am

for those who's interested, the ticket company, Vliegtarieven, have rebooked me on Austrian Airlines but I had to pay the 93 euros difference. I could have gotten on China Airlines as well but on different days which didn't fit my schedule.
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Tue May 03, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 23):
Vliegtarieven, have rebooked me on Austrian Airlines but I had to pay the 93 euros difference

That sounds like it's against our law unless you were given the option of a full refund...
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Tue May 03, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 21):
I thought that the plane with fuel pouring out of the wing was grounded at Sharjah and the replacement aircraft was grounded with hydaulic problems at LGW.

That one flew to LGW in the morning. Apparently got grounded there.

Very much doubt it was ex-GA - those things are in dismal shape. HS-VAO was recently leased to Saudia.

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HS-VAB SQ/others (-312)
HS-VAC KLM
HS-VAN SQ/others (-312)
HS-VAO GA
HS-VAU GA
HS-VAK GA/spares only

That was their 747 fleet a while ago.
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 4:42 am

I have just looked at their website.

It shows scheduled flights by B737-200 and YS11.

Presumably, the B757/B747 are available for charter on parked up.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 26):
It shows scheduled flights by B737-200 and YS11.

Have another look.

http://www.phuketairlines.com/schedule/schedule_international.html
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 5:40 am

What happens is that if you just click on the schedules tab, then it only shows domestic flights.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 6:11 am

There is a link to international on that page.

But that shows even the LGW flights... enough said.
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 6:39 am

Yes, I figured that out after trying your link.

I wonder how many people click on the Schedules tab and think that there are no international flights.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 6:42 am

According to Phuket Air, they operate the B747-300 to LGW and AMS. This sounds interesting. There are no B747-200 routes.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 6:44 am

From what I saw...

2 Phuket Air's were parked on the opposite side at BKK airport - I also saw 2 at Jakarta at the same time. One 74 is parked on the active side along with a couple 73's (one in ex-Metrojet colors and one full white Phuket Air titles) along with a YS 11 while another YS 11 is parked on the opposite side for at least 3 months now under a small hangar at BKK airport.

A Phuket Air 747 did remain in Sharjah for a couple days while being repaired before being flown back to BKK and pax accomodated on another flight.

Orient Thai was very lucky several years ago - the China Air 747 which crashed was bound for them one week later and had been sold but not delivered.

hope this helped...
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 6:54 am

I have tried checking availability from AMS and LGW.

There seems to be nothing available.
 
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RE: Dutch FAA Has Banned Phuket Air

Fri May 06, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 33):
I have tried checking availability from AMS and LGW.

Neither route is operating. DPS should be.

The 2 Garuda 742s are used on various charters, such as HKT-ICN and VAO was leased Saudia for Hadj flights.
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