UAalltheway
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Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 12:56 pm

I'm doing some research this evening, looking around at different airline's First Officer pay is and such. I noticed jetblue pilots get payed $50.96 an hour. Which made me think, which brought my to my question:

When pilots are payed by the "hour", are they payed from the moment the walk in the airport? Are they payed by the sceduled/"estimated" flight time? Does this vary from airline to airline?

Thanks in adv- UA.
 
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 12:59 pm

They are payed from the moment the cabin door shuts to the moment the door opens. They are not payed for the hours sitting around in airports, time spend away from home etc.
 
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 1:09 pm

Pilots get paid???
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UAalltheway
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 1:12 pm

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 1):
They are payed from the moment the cabin door shuts to the moment the door opens. They are not payed for the hours sitting around in airports, time spend away from home etc.

Oh, ok. Yikes, thank you.

What about the additional time they are (according to the website) helping with "light cleaning" of the aircraft?
 
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 1:12 pm

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flyf15
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 1:23 pm

Pilots are also paid per diem...which is hourly from the time they begin a trip to when it ends. So they're making this while they're sleeping at a hotel away from home, between flights, etc.

But, it is usually in the $1-2/hr range. Its meant to cover things for when they're away from home, mostly food.
 
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 1:29 pm

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 1):
They are payed from the moment the cabin door shuts to the moment the door opens. They are not payed for the hours sitting around in airports, time spend away from home etc.

Actually at lots of airlines, its blocks to blocks. In other words from push back to arrival at the gate. Or parking brake release, to parking brake set.
Doors being closed awaiting pushback, or arriving at the gate and finding no gate agent to meet and operate the jetway is not paid for at some airlines.
Hence, ever wonder why some of the cockpit crew are the first off ones off and airplane?

Some airlines, however due provide for 15mins of debrief pay per flight.

Lastly, duty time, and flight time pay are different. While sitting around away from base at the hotel on reserve, between operating flights at the terminal, or deadheading around the world in First class certainly is not eligible for flight pay, however can fall under various duty pay, and perdiem scenarios.
In general perdiem is paid for every minute/hour away from your base city.

For instance, I know lots of pilots, whom might get 65 hours flight credit in a month, while racking up 100+ hours in duty pay easy.

Like everything in aviation, crew pay can be quite complicated and comes down to each airlines. For instance some credit, non flight time duty pay at only 50% of the flight time pay rate.
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UAalltheway
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 1:35 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 5):
Pilots are also paid per diem...which is hourly from the time they begin a trip to when it ends. So they're making this while they're sleeping at a hotel away from home, between flights, etc.

Oooohhhh.. ok, thank you. I saw that on there and was wondering what it meant. On jetblue it's a(n) $2/hour diem.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):

Oh, ok. Thank you, Your post was very helpful.  Smile
 
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RE: Pilot Pay Question

Sun May 01, 2005 1:41 pm

Technically the pay is from "Block-out" to "Block-in". Literally that means from the time the wheels start moving until the time they stop on arrival. If you stay on board the aircraft after arrival it is "off the clock" so to speak, as is the time you're on board prior to push-back. There are also many other factors that contribute to salary including time away from base pay, holiday pay, etc, etc. The various payroll structures vary GREATLY from airline to airline, so even the start/stop times aren't set in stone. Some even pay per "trip" or fraction thereof, instead of hourly (I won't even try to explain that).

Honestly there's no point trying to learn how it's all calculated until you're actually the one sitting in the seat. Be content with this explanation: they fly airplanes in exchange for a check every so often. That's about all you can say for sure.  wink 

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