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CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 02, 2005 11:08 pm

We've danced around it in a few other threads, but I'll give it its own thread. CO's nonstop service CLE-LGW on a 757-200 with Business First, 16/156. Today, it looks pretty full, about 83%, though other days, it looks pretty darned empty this May, though it should improve as summer sets in a little more. (My info is based solely on the CO.com seat selector, so it's probably inaccurate.) Departs as CO66 at 1930, arrives 750. Returns as CO67 departing at 1155, arrives at 1520, and continues to LAX (not sure if it is the same plane). According to a fellow a.netter, it operates today with N19117. I wish CO luck with it and hope it stays year round this year.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 02, 2005 11:10 pm

Usually May is a light month for Europe travel though you are right it will pick up as Summer begins.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 02, 2005 11:39 pm

I've been watching the loads for sometime now, the first four days are about 50-80% booked and than it goes way up.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 02, 2005 11:42 pm

Could we see any of CLE-LGW services being operated by the 757-200 with winglets this summer?

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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 02, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Could we see any of CLE-LGW services being operated by the 757-200 with winglets this summer?

I'm sure we will!
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 02, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Returns as CO67 departing at 1155, arrives at 1520, and continues to LAX (not sure if it is the same plane).

** CO - CONTINENTAL **
0067/03MAY
FLIGHT ON-TIME

SKED LGW ORIG 1155A ....... GTD ****.. SHIP 117
..... CLE 320P 510P GTA C-05 GTD C-09 SHIP 242
..... LAX 659P TERM GTA ****

Appears to be a different aircraft operating the CLE LAX sector.

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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 12:20 am

Go Clevleand! Every time I think of that 757 flying the 3750 mile CLE-LGW route, I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body, while Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class 747-400 passengers out of the East and West Coast departure points are enjoying the Upper Class Suite with lie-flat beds, walk around space with a full bar, IFE and anything else Richard Branson can dream up. As for an analogy, it's like the differential between runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks trip out to Albuquerque on a Greyhound bus, and her First Class trip home on a Delta airlines MD-88. Certainly Continental is not getting many through passengers eager to go on that flight.

Lets see, there must be enough controversial tongue-in-cheek wrath in this post to keep the CO CLE-LGW thread going for a while.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
Go Clevleand! Every time I think of that 757 flying the 3750 mile CLE-LGW route, I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body, while Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class 747-400 passengers out of the East and West Coast departure points are enjoying the Upper Class Suite with lie-flat beds, walk around space with a full bar, IFE and anything else Richard Branson can dream up. As for an analogy, it's like the differential between runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks trip out to Albuquerque on a Greyhound bus, and her First Class trip home on a Delta airlines MD-88. Certainly Continental is not getting many through passengers eager to go on that flight.

Yeah they just run it so people have something to BITCH about! A narrow body across the pond. How 70's

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
Lets see, there must be enough controversial tongue-in-cheek wrath in this post to keep the CO CLE-LGW thread going for a while.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 12:56 am

So, the operating equipment is a follows:

03MAY
LGW-CLE 757-224 N19117
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N19117

CLE-LAX 737-824 N14242
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N14242
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 1:25 am

Edited so I can re-reply.  Smile

[Edited 2005-05-02 18:28:21]
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 1:30 am

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 5):
Appears to be a different aircraft operating the CLE LAX sector.

Yes, 66 LAX-CLE, and 67 CLE-LAX is a scheduled 738, except, I believe, for Saturday, when 67 goes with a 752 LGW-CLE-LAX.

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body,

Ever seen the layout? It's quite roomy and comfy, I assure you.

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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body, while Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class 747-400 passengers out of the East and West Coast departure points are enjoying the Upper Class Suite with lie-flat beds, walk around space with a full bar, IFE and anything else Richard Branson can dream up.

Hey, 757 service is better than no service. Plus, did you not see the other thread? CO is considering putting seatback IFE on all the 752s and converting them all to international. And you do save a couple of bucks with CO.

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
Certainly Continental is not getting many through passengers eager to go on that flight.

Well, let's see:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
I've been watching the loads for sometime now, the first four days are about 50-80% booked and than it goes way up.



Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
Lets see, there must be enough controversial tongue-in-cheek wrath in this post to keep the CO CLE-LGW thread going for a while.

I hope so.  Smile
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:04 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Thread starter):
(My info is based solely on the CO.com seat selector, so it's probably inaccurate.)

Uh likely way off  Wink
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:10 am

I have heard many times that CO would very much like to get CLE-LGW back on the schedule on a year-round basis; operating 5 times per week during the winter months. One rumor suggested that year round service might return with the Winter 2005-6 timetable, ie, starting around 1st November 2005.

In recent months, there has been no new information on this topic? Any update on whether CLE-LGW will go year-round or remain seasonal?
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:12 am

I have flown VS a few times and honestly was, sorta let down. From JFK-LHR it was really good. Awesome IFE, and such. But another time LHR-IAD also a 744, it was, just passable J class less service it "seemed" and lesser IFE for sure. I have had much better (and equally tepid) flights on CO757s. My brother has flown VS ex-LGW and was very disapointed. After he took VS LGW-MIA he was done with them and sticks to CO or DL now.

My only real issue with the 75B was the IFE in BF wasn't the same. But it seems this will be fixed soon. After that is will all be in your head! Besides I'd take a motorized kite if it went non-stop to were I wanted to go.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:19 am

She is going out with 1 empty seat tonight , but is coming back with a light load.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:22 am

Its about time we went back to the U.K. via CLE. When will CO get the foot into the door at LHR ?
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:44 am

Yeah I wouldn't use the continental.com seat selector to determine loads. Leave it to someone with access to Coair. I'm sure glad 66 is back... I remember the very first one depart off 5R back in a day...
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:52 am

Say Falcon84, my airline would use a 28" seat pitch and a 16" wide seat internationally if we could get away with it. At least you people still know the definition of passenger service...and those Business First seats are comfy.

But we're up to 17 replies now in my favorite CLE topic thread.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body,

Ever seen the layout? It's quite roomy and comfy, I assure you.

Those who don't have a clue......

Well said! (from somebody who has experienced it)

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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 17):
Yeah I wouldn't use the continental.com seat selector to determine loads. Leave it to someone with access to Coair.

They may have a lot of error, but it's better than me constantly posting here asking about loads. I find those "what are the loads, 'cause I want to know if I'll get an upgrade" threads annoying. This is the only way I have to inquire to CO employees. Unfortunately we all can't work for an airline.  Sad
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Ramprat980 (Reply 16):
When will CO get the foot into the door at LHR ?

If Bermuda II is amended, but not abolished, then CO is legally guaranteed to be the 1st USA airline to gain Heathrow access.

If, however, the bilateral is holistically abolished and replaced with something akin to an OpenSkies agreement... then it's every USA airline for itself.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 20):
Unfortunately we all can't work for an airline.

Don't I know it.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Thread starter):
with Business First, 16/156. Today

Does anybody know if CO only sells 15 business seats, leaving one for the extra pilot?

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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 8:00 am

I don't believe there is a relief pilot on the CLE-LGW route.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 8:13 am

Fantastic! Hasn't time gone quick, seems only yesterday they were stopping it for the winter!

I'm a bit confused about CO here at the moment. It used to be all 777's and the CLE757, then some 767-200's, now we are seeing 777's,762's and 752's. The 757's have been in this winter but I cannot remember on which route.

Will be great to see those wingleted 757's here!

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
Go Clevleand! Every time I think of that 757 flying the 3750 mile CLE-LGW route, I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body, while Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class 747-400 passengers out of the East and West Coast departure points are enjoying the Upper Class Suite with lie-flat beds, walk around space with a full bar, IFE and anything else Richard Branson can dream up. As for an analogy, it's like the differential between runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks trip out to Albuquerque on a Greyhound bus, and her First Class trip home on a Delta airlines MD-88. Certainly Continental is not getting many through passengers eager to go on that flight.

I don't think many non-aviation nuts really know that a 757 is any different from an A340 or 747, they don't know if one is single aisled or not. And anyway, the CO757's, as wth their 738's, are extremely roomy!

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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 8:13 am

It's just about 8.5 hrs. return, less than 8 on the way (in the air). I don't think they need a relief pilot, provided the pilots are rested 48 hrs. in between. I'm no long haul pilot, so I'm not sure.

[Edited 2005-05-03 01:19:40]
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 8:40 am

ConcordeBoy

What makes you say that if Bermuda II is amended that CO is the first US airline to get access to LHR? Interesting. Please provide details.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 23):
Does anybody know if CO only sells 15 business seats, leaving one for the extra pilot?

No, the Relief Pilot goes through EWR, and the reason is simple: it's much less of an economic issue to fly the pilot B/F on a 35 or 48 seat 777 or 767 via EWR, than it is a 16-seat B/F out of CLE. That one seat, comparitively, could mean a lot of revenue.

Btw, Highflier92660, I worked the CLE-LGW flight today, and before it left, I got to go sit in one of those "squeezed" B/F seats. Comfy; reclinse well, a ton of leg room. Yeah, it would be a bitch to fly that...not.  Smile

And the plane went out with about 5 empties in the back tonight, and about the same up front. We got a bunch of reroutes from NW. Seems their DTW-LGW did an air return Sunday night, and we gladly took their money from them with a bunch of rebooked customers.  Big grin
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 12:50 pm

Falcon84, you are right, those B/F seats on CO are delightful, as comfortable as any other airine.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 1:21 pm

Falcon84,
I do not get what you are saying about the rest pilot! I thought the relief pilot was to be on board so the pilots can have a break. I think the pilots will be resting for a day at LGW and then coming home so they do not need to send pilots for the CLE flight on the EWR flight, they should have some already over at LGW, no?
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 2:59 pm

I used to live in Cleveland during 1998-2000 and the first flight of CO 752 service to LGW was big news.

Heck, even mayor Michael White was on the inaugural flight!

There were many hopes that day of daily, nonstop year-round service to LGW.

The funniest comment that day was Mayor White saying that this flight was just stepping stone to future international flights, for example, CLE-NRT!!

I just had to laugh!!
Well, hope Cleveland does one day get more service and indeed sustains this one.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 10:23 pm

Well CO flight 66 went out yesterday with 160 pax and 2 non-revs, which is kinda strange because on May 1, the flight was booked to 109 so we got some extra pax from somewhere. As far as extra crew goes, they were already in LGW for the return flight (67).
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 11:10 pm

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 32):
on May 1, the flight was booked to 109 so we got some extra pax from somewhere.

Like Falcon said, NW had some problems with their Sunday night flight, and CO got some rebookings. OF course, we can't count on that every day, so it needs to improve. 109/172 is only 63.3%.

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 30):
I do not get what you are saying about the rest pilot! I thought the relief pilot was to be on board so the pilots can have a break. I think the pilots will be resting for a day at LGW and then coming home so they do not need to send pilots for the CLE flight on the EWR flight, they should have some already over at LGW, no?

On the trip there, as they don't need a relief pilot, but they need one on the way back. So they send one through EWR in advance, so they are available for the return when they are needed. That way, a BizFirst seat isn't sacrificed on a flight with only 16 available. I think that's what Falcon is saying. In other words, CO obviously prepositioned a set of three pilots in LGW to operate the first CO67. From now on, there are pilots from previous flights in LGW to operate CO67. However, there is still a problem. Only 2 pilots are needed for the <8 hour trip there. Three are needed for the >8hr trip back. So they have to get an extra pilot there, who goes through EWR to save the CLE BizFirst seat.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 11:25 pm

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 33):
On the trip there, as they don't need a relief pilot, but they need one on the way back.

Why does the LGW-CLE flight need a relief pilot westbound?

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 33):
So they send one through EWR in advance, so they are available for the return when they are needed. That way, a BizFirst seat isn't sacrificed on a flight with only 16 available.

Why can't the relief pilot fly economy?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
I got to go sit in one of those "squeezed" B/F seats. Comfy; reclinse well, a ton of leg room. Yeah, it would be a bitch to fly that...not.

Alpha, aren't you only 5-7? This is 4 inches shorter than the average American male. Those guys (or someone like me at 6-2) might not find it so comfortable, esp on a langhaul flight.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 11:28 pm

oops, sorry I didnt see that post from Falcon, I was wondering why the bookings went way up..The loads(CLE-LGW) do improve greatly after Thursday 80-100% for most of the month of May.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 11:36 pm

Wish AA would add back STL-LGW....St. Louis and Cleveland are about equal in population and size...there is no reason why it can't work here too...or am I gravely mistaken in my reasoning?
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting Thrust (Reply 36):
Wish AA would add back STL-LGW....St. Louis and Cleveland are about equal in population and size...there is no reason why it can't work here too...or am I gravely mistaken in my reasoning?

I dont know why either...TWA had great loads on that route.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 11:54 pm

I continue mystified that CO doesn't provide better PIT connections to support this flight, especially since PIT lost its own nonstop.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 03, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 34):
Alpha, aren't you only 5-7? This is 4 inches shorter than the average American male. Those guys (or someone like me at 6-2) might not find it so comfortable, esp on a langhaul flight.

You love playing games, don't you, Yyz717. Get off the height think already. It's getting old.

I'm 5'7", and I vanish in those seats, my friend, so someone who is above average height should have no problem being comfy in them.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Wed May 04, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting Thrust (Reply 36):
St. Louis and Cleveland are about equal in population and size...there is no reason why it can't work here too...or am I gravely mistaken in my reasoning?

Well, there is one reason that what CO is doing in CLE works whereas AA couldn't do it in STL. STL-LGW is out of range for a 757. But they might be able to fill a 767.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 34):
Why does the LGW-CLE flight need a relief pilot westbound?

I thought at first they didn't need one if the pilots were sufficiently rested, but from Falcon's post, I gathered they do. They flight eastbound is just under 8 hours. The flight westbound is over 8 hours. I thought that rules were a pilot could do 8 hours on 24 hrs rest, or 12 hours on 48 hrs rest. I could be (check that, I'm probably) wrong, though.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 34):
Why can't the relief pilot fly economy?

I don't know, but it's probably something in their contract. All I know is they do.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Wed May 04, 2005 1:46 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 38):
I continue mystified that CO doesn't provide better PIT connections to support this flight, especially since PIT lost its own nonstop.

Agreed. They could probably pick up a great deal more connections even by tweaking the current schedule. For example, the latest flight on 5/3 for connections from PIT to CLE arrives at 2:10. The evening flight arrives at 7:30, just when 66 leaves for LGW. It would make sense to either adjust the schedule so the 7:30 flight comes in around 6:30, or, even better, add an ERJ flight from PIT to arrive at 6:00-30 and adjust the late Beech flight til later in the evening. I think they could pick up several connections. That might not be such a huge deal now, but if they operate the flight year round, it would be very important to get the extra connections.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 09, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 31):
The funniest comment that day was Mayor White saying that this flight was just stepping stone to future international flights, for example, CLE-NRT!!

I just had to laugh!!
Well, hope Cleveland does one day get more service and indeed sustains this one.

I remember hearing about this from Mayor White. I am originally from CLE and have always wished and hoped the airport would be a big international gateway such as CVG, DTW or even PIT a while ago. I understand EWR and IAH are bigger hubs for CO - and now with DTW and NW - a lot of the traffic is probably routed through there - but it sure would be nice to see 767s and 777s from CO, as well as other international operators. I've sat around and thought of how nice it would be to get ready for a flight out of CLE and seeing a LH 330 or BA 777 parked at the terminal.

I am sure that is a pipe dream, as CLE has become very boring. I doubt we'll ever see that.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 09, 2005 4:25 am

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 42):
am sure that is a pipe dream, as CLE has become very boring. I doubt we'll ever see that.

CLE is definitely a boring airport. I fly through there usually twice per week. Concourse D smells funny, all the time, and has anybody else noticed that the D bathrooms *barely* have water flow from the sink faucets?

The food selection in D sucks, too. But, I sure like it a lot better than connecting through EWR. Last year, on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, we were so badly delayed that I actually rented a one-way and drove from CLE back home to Columbus. I definitely couldn't do that if I had to go through EWR.

Last week the ERJ on which I flew to CLE docked right next to a 753. Now *that* is a striking contrast!
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 09, 2005 5:59 am

Quoting CLEfan (Reply 41):
I think they could pick up several connections

Several, if you could get them, wouldn't pay for an RJ. Why would anyone in PIT want to connect over CLE, when US pretty much serves the save markets out of PIT. Cheap fare would probably be the only reason!
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 09, 2005 6:52 am

Quoting Xlpants (Reply 44):
Why would anyone in PIT want to connect over CLE, when US pretty much serves the save markets out of PIT

Because US doesn't serve LGW from PIT. He's saying pick up connections for the London flight.
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 09, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 37):
Quoting Thrust (Reply 36):
Wish AA would add back STL-LGW....St. Louis and Cleveland are about equal in population and size...there is no reason why it can't work here too...or am I gravely mistaken in my reasoning?

I dont know why either...TWA had great loads on that route.

Two words: Crappy yields...Poor to non-existent premium traffic hurt also

The 757 would be an ideal aircraft to run STL-LGW if it had the range, ala BOS-MAN or BOS-SNN in an all-economy configuration. With some fair cargo traffic, it would probably make some money..
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Mon May 09, 2005 8:25 pm

I wonder what percentage of passengers on the CLE-LGW flights are connecting at CLE from other US cities.

I also wonder if they'll ever fix the customs situation. Like Atlanta, Cincinnati, Orlando, etc., CLE is one of those ridiculous airports in which one has to re-clear security after customs even if the final destination is Cleveland. This is a tremendous pain, if you ask me. CLE is a fairly compact airport, so I don't understand why they can't change it.

In addition, CLE customs--like Cincinnati and Baltimore--tends to be particularly obnoxious. It's a small airport, so I guess they're bored. It's much easier to arrive in Atlanta, JFK, Newark, and others.
 
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RE: CO Resumes CLE-LGW Today

Tue May 10, 2005 12:48 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 46):
Two words: Crappy yields...Poor to non-existent premium traffic hurt also

The real problem with St. Louis-London Gatwick (straight from the horse's mouth) was cargo and winter loads. It was full in the summer with tourists and the little premium traffic that bhm suggested, and pretty empty in the winter.

Bad yields in the summer but full flights, decent yields in the winter and empty flights mean a money losing route.

The cargo loads were a major setback for this route, it was really really bad from what I understand.

If any european flight ever started it would be FRA...

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