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AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 12:51 pm

By June 30, AA will pull all A300's and 738's out of BOS. They will be replaced by 757's and S80's. Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft. To cut costs and simplify its operation AA will move those airplanes out of BOS and replace them with 757's and S80's.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:17 pm

Are the A300s going to MIA? maybe JFK?

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:19 pm

Id assume a mixture of the two. They will for sure stay on the east coast.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:20 pm

how will this affect the daily flights to LAX, the 4 daily flights are currently operated on 738s, will they be switched to a 757?
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:33 pm

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 3):
how will this affect the daily flights to LAX, the 4 daily flights are currently operated on 738s, will they be switched to a 757?

Most likely. I don't think the MD-80 could make it and even if it could, I think LGB would start looking a lot more attractive to business travellers.

I'd be interested to know what will happen to the loss in capacity on the MIA and SJU flights.

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:38 pm

I'd assume 757s would go to BOS-LAX. Now that the 738 is going to LRTC, there is no product differentiation (on the 738 beforehand, there would be MRTC, which is a nice thing on a transcon). Also, the 757 would have a larger capacity vs. the 738, which I think BOS can handle, especially with UA having reduced their schedules over the past few years.

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting Komododx (Reply 1):
Are the A300s going to MIA? maybe JFK?

As part of AA maintenance base readjustment, the A300 fleet will be the only type solely cared for at JFK now. While MIA does see the aircraft often, the primary station will be JFK doing Caribbean and Florida flying with the type.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:39 pm

So if the A300 to MIA and Caribbean are being replaced with 757's are they going to increase the number of flights, or has capacity for those flights dropped? If capacity has not dropped wouldn't 767-300's make more sense as A300 replacements

Secondly, is this permanent or is it just for the summer? S. Florida and the Caribbean are popular spots for New Englanders in the winter, but I imagine that capacity would fall in the summer.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:40 pm

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
Also, the 757 would have a larger capacity vs. the 738, which I think BOS can handle, especially with UA having reduced their schedules over the past few years.

Absolutely. Prior to the removal of MRTC from all planes BOS had a 738, two 757s, and a 767-300 on the LAX route.

Then that went to all 738.

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:48 pm

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
By June 30, AA will pull all A300's and 738's out of BOS.

Well, why does my schedule have AB6's and 738's in the schedule for the forseeable future, even as I look at March 29, 2006?
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
By June 30, AA will pull all A300's and 738's out of BOS. They will be replaced by 757's and S80's. Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft. To cut costs and simplify its operation AA will move those airplanes out of BOS and replace them with 757's and S80's.

I've heard that this change is actually scheduled for late this year instead of mid-2005.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 1:57 pm

Talk about the end of an era! It will be odd not seeing the big AA Airbii at Logan. But, things change, and in the end, it may be a move for the better. I know that some of the BOS-MIA flights on the AB6's go out very empty from time to time...I have seen a few load over the years with 60/70 people tops on the plane....usually mid week, off season of course.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 2:03 pm

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft.

Doesn’t Miami share that title as well?

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 9):
Well, why does my schedule have AB6's and 738's in the schedule for the forseeable future, even as I look at March 29, 2006?

Those evil schedule changes – in this case equipment changes. AA does not have the best reputation for informing their customers ahead of time.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 2:05 pm

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 12):
Doesn’t Miami share that title as well?

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting BOSugaDL (Reply 7):
If capacity has not dropped wouldn't 767-300's make more sense as A300 replacements

The 763 is a poor replacement for the A300 due to its high premium cabin configuration. The 757 is more appropriate to replace the A300. Remember the Caribbean and Florida are primarily leisure destinations.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 3:30 pm

AAs AB6s will probably be used to beef up peak summer season services from JFK to Florida and the Carribbean states such as Dominican Republic, Haiti etc. I wont be surprised to see the AB6s taking on extra summer flights trans-atlantic and at times acting as a B 777 or B 767 replacement aircraft.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 3:48 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):
AB6s taking on extra summer flights trans-atlantic and at times acting as a B 777 or B 767 replacement aircraft.

AA's A300 are no longer ETOPS qualified for Atlantic crossings. They stopped maintaining them to the higher standards back in January of 2002. With all the penny pinching going on at AA, I do not see them investing money nor staff to get them fully ETOPS again. The do fine running down to the Carrib and Latin America.

Also keep in mind the AB6 has a terrible cabin configuration (16/251). Not a type for any premium traffic.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 4:15 pm

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft.

If you count the 767-200ER and 767-300ER as one aircraft, then yes, this is true.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
I know that some of the BOS-MIA flights on the AB6's go out very empty from time to time...I have seen a few load over the years with 60/70 people tops on the plane....usually mid week, off season of course.

During peak season, though, especially December through April, the A300 flights are frequently oversold with holiday travelers and Brazilians.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):
AAs AB6s will probably be used to beef up peak summer season services from JFK to Florida

Just a side note, but the only Florida service AA runs from JFK is six daily flights to Miami. Four A300s, one 757, and one 762 (and, between December and April this year, there was a 777 instead of the 762).
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 10:02 pm

I have flown a few times on the BOS-MIA-BOS routes, they have all been off-season, the last time was in mid September of last year and this was mid-week and it was packed, over booked infact. I have been looking at the loads between the 2 cities and they are very strong, all through the summer, I would imagine AA likes the BOS-MIA route, it seems to have high yields.

Could the JFK-MIA warrant 6 AB6's? I could see 2 AB6's and 4 757s.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 10:32 pm

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 18):
I would imagine AA likes the BOS-MIA route, it seems to have high yields.

I doubt yields are extraordinary. It is made up for in bulk.

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 18):
Could the JFK-MIA warrant 6 AB6's?

Of course! Miami-New York City is the 2nd largest O&D market in the United States. You think those MIA-BOS flights go out packed? You should see those MIA-JFK flights! Despite usually weak domestic traffic to JFK, there has always been a huge market between Miami and JFK because of the huge volume of Miami-New York City that isn't going to Manhattan, but Queens and Long Island instead.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 11:13 pm

DeltAirlines:

If I remember the press releases, the 757s had both rows of coach returned, so that they had the old seating capacity of 188.

The 737s were originally 20+126 for 146. Then with MRTC, they went to 20+114. Then, 1 row of First was replaced with 2 rows of coach for 16+126. This still had MRTC.

Now, only 1 row of coach has been added, for 16+132. Although the 737s now carry 148 passengers, as opposed to the original configuration of 146, coach currently has more room than the original configuration and the current 757 configuration.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):
I wont be surprised to see the AB6s taking on extra summer flights trans-atlantic and at times acting as a B 777 or B 767 replacement aircraft.

ETOPS aside, I can only see AA subbing a domestically configured aircraft for a regular transatlantic machine in the most dire of circumstances. I suspect they'd just cancel the flight and rebook premium passengers, since no premium passenger is going to pay to sit in Domestic F.

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Tue May 03, 2005 11:59 pm

I wonder what equipment AA will use for the BOS-SDQ market. They can fill up an A300, although the flights aren't daily. Maybe daily service with a 757?

The Saturday-only service to SDQ with a 777 was only there because the morning departure to LHR didn't operate on Saturdays and they wanted to keep the plane flying. Now that both LHR flights are daily, there's no 777 sitting around.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft.

Does BOS also have 767-200 service? If so, I could only see it flying to LAX or MIA, which I doubt they do.

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 4):
I'd be interested to know what will happen to the loss in capacity on the MIA and SJU flights.

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Does anyone else see this downsize as a casualty of the strong LCC presence in the BOS to Florida routes? I guess an introduction of BOS-SJU and BOS-MIA by B6 is not too far off.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:57 am

To be honest I'm surprised it's taken B6 this long to get into the SJU market. I'm sure it's inevitable. There has been a considerable loss in capacity on the route over the years. At one point DL, AA, and TW were all operating the route with 757s and A300s. Then AA swallowed TW, then DL dropped the route, and US added it. US are currently serving the route 6x weekly (except Sundays) and American fly it 3x daily (all on A300s). The loss of the 300s would mean a couple hundred seats gone unless AA plans to add an additional frequency. Or US upgrade the route from an A319.

There was supposedly a press conference held today at 09:30 on B6 route expansion at Logan from Terminal C. I haven't heard anything yet and nothing's been posted on B6's or Massport's websites yet. I'd be interested in hearing what's in store.

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 1:20 am

no, BOS does not have a 762 serive, they have a 763 serive with the daily n/s to CDG.


I read an article in the Boston Globe last month talking about how B6 wants to have BOS be a target for them, eventually have more than 40 daily flights. I know once they get their regionals, they are going to jump right into the BOS-NYC market, which I would say is pretty high in demand.

what is the #1 o&d market in the us? JFK-LAX?


I was trying to remember what AA used to use on the BOS-LAX-BOS runs, I know for sure one frequency used to be done by a 763, my sister used to fly that route all the time. My favorite route is the daily BOS-SAN, SAN-BOS route done by a 757.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 7:29 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 25):
There was supposedly a press conference held today at 09:30 on B6 route expansion at Logan from Terminal C. I haven't heard anything yet and nothing's been posted on B6's or Massport's websites yet. I'd be interested in hearing what's in store.

Here it is (excerpted from a press release):

JetBlue today announced it has partnered with Massport and HMS Host to promote the "Meals to Fly" program allowing its customers to supplement the carrier's complimentary onboard snack program. JetBlue customers will find a wide range of tasty meals prepackaged to take onboard from any participating "Meals to Fly" vendor in Terminal C, including Au Bon Pain, Burger King, DaVinci's Cafe, Dunkin Donuts, Legal Sea Foods, Samuel Adams Pub, Starbucks, Fudgebar, Grab N Go, The Grove and Taste of Boston. For a limited time (and while supplies last), JetBlue customers who purchase a meal from the "Grab N Go" kiosk located in JetBlue's gate area will receive a FREE stylish, thermal-insulated "Meals to Fly" bag!
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting Bospmv (Reply 26):
I was trying to remember what AA used to use on the BOS-LAX-BOS runs,

Used to be a mix of 762ERs and 757s.

Quoting Bospmv (Reply 26):
what is the #1 o&d market in the us? JFK-LAX?

LAX-SFO I think, but LAX-JFK is close

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 23):
Does BOS also have 767-200 service?

Not anymore

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 23):
Does BOS also have 767-200 service? If so, I could only see it flying to LAX or MIA, which I doubt they do.

They used to have them on LAX-BOS all the time, not any more.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 27):
will receive a FREE stylish, thermal-insulated "Meals to Fly" bag!

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 7:54 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 28):
LAX-SFO I think, but LAX-JFK is close

No, I am pretty sure New York (JFK/LGA/EWR)-Miami(MIA/FLL/PBI) is the single largest O&D market in the US, with several other routes (NYC-LA, LA-SFO, NYC-Chicago, etc.) behind.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 30):
No, I am pretty sure New York (JFK/LGA/EWR)-Miami(MIA/FLL/PBI) is the single largest O&D market in the US, with several other routes (NYC-LA, LA-SFO, NYC-Chicago, etc.) behind.

If you are using those numbers, I can pretty much guarentee that it is LA-SF. You have flights from 5 LA area airports to 3 Bay Area airports, all with massive frequency
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 9:15 am

The only 762s that come to BOS now are diversions.

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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 9:48 am

I think the AB6 travels PTY-MIA, on high season, i know i did on january
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
During peak season, though, especially December through April, the A300 flights are frequently oversold with holiday travelers and Brazilians.

BOS-GRU has some potential. There is business traffic, business school traffic and a lot of immigrant traffic. Also, if heading to/fr other points in South America, connecting at GRU is a lot less hassle than MIA.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:15 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):

If you are using those numbers, I can pretty much guarentee that it is LA-SF. You have flights from 5 LA area airports to 3 Bay Area airports, all with massive frequency

That is correct. LA-SF is roughly 18,000 daily passengers, NYC-MIA is about 16,000.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:17 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
That is correct. LA-SF is roughly 18,000 daily passengers, NYC-MIA is about 16,000.

My mistake then. Sorry.
 
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
That is correct. LA-SF is roughly 18,000 daily passengers, NYC-MIA is about 16,000.

Yeah, LA-Bay has more than 100 flights a day, so I would think so.
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RE: AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS

Wed May 04, 2005 12:25 pm

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 34):
BOS-GRU has some potential. There is business traffic, business school traffic and a lot of immigrant traffic. Also, if heading to/fr other points in South America, connecting at GRU is a lot less hassle than MIA.

Ah, the elusive Boston-Brazil connection. Varig announced the route years ago but, obviously, nothing has ever come of it. Although, Varig has never recovered from those days and it's likely they won't for a long time, if ever. Maybe TAM will express interest however I think we'll see Boston-Tokyo before we see Boston-São Paulo/Rio de Janeiro  Sad

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