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Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 5:56 pm

Boeing has had a few planned A/C that never materiealized. The three-engined B747-300 and the 707-700 comes to mind.

But what planned Airbus A/C have never entered service? I can only think of the A340-200X, of which only on A/C was ordered, and wasn't even delivered.

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:01 pm

The 340-400M comes to mind, military transport craft IIRC.

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:02 pm

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:05 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
The 340-400M comes to mind, military transport craft IIRC.

Aren't you talking about the A400M? Which has not been cancelled. Check the Airbus website for more information.

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:15 pm

Quoting Doona (Thread starter):
The three-engined B747-300 and the 707-700 comes to mind.

A 3-engined 747 ? How would that work ? And what was the 707-700 supposed to be like ?
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:18 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
A 3-engined 747 ? How would that work ?

Perhaps like a DC-10 or MD-11? Or even possibly like the 727.
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:24 pm

The A340-400M was a different concept than the A400M, no similarities whatsoever. 3-engined 747: looked like the DC-10 but with a hump.
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:25 pm

Doona:

Just read Flygrevyn about the A340-400M from 1995, and it was to transport military troops, A has the A400M prop in making, guess they just "renamed" it.

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 6:47 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 6):
3-engined 747: looked like the DC-10 but with a hump.

So a bit like the lovely green 'aircraft' for fire fighting training at LHRBig grin
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 9:41 pm

First of all, cancelled would imply these things were sold to customers then withdrawn, which isn't really true. They were proposals that never came to fruition, so I would say withdrawn instead of cancelled. It's hard to cancel something you never really start.

Anyhow, weren't there various proposals for A330 variants designed to fill the A300/A310 market that never came to fruition? LightSaber has posted about them, called A305 or something else? On the Boeing side, there are several proposed 747s like 747-500 and 747-600 that never came to fruition, not to mention Sonic Cruiser.
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Tue May 03, 2005 9:46 pm

Quoting Doona (Thread starter):
The three-engined B747-300 and the 707-700 comes to mind.

The three holed 747 was a design study and never offered to the airlines

IIRC the 707-700 also falls into the same category.
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 12:04 am

The Sonic Cruiser from Boeing, concept A305 from Airbus, the LR A340-2000 (1), A330-100, 330-200F still on hold, 2.5 engined B777 (1 thrust generating APU), 737-900ER (?)
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 12:05 am

Quoting Doona (Reply 3):
Aren't you talking about the A400M? Which has not been cancelled. Check the Airbus website for more information.

I think everybody here is talking about the A350 ... Will it be cancelled ? The A400M will fly, lots of European governments wants this A/C to replace their C130.
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
A 3-engined 747 ? How would that work ?

Picture a 747 front end grafted to an L-1011 back end...

It was basically little more than a design study in the early development of the 747, and briefly was re-energized when Boeing realized they needed to compete with the L-1011 and DC-10... Instead, they decided to develop the 747SP, since a three-hole 747 would have required a huge amount of re-engineering and thus a great deal of expense...

It's touched on a bit here:

http://www.747sp.com/Explained.asp
 
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 12:43 am

I can think of plenty aircraft that never came to fruition that aren't mentioned here - mostly Boeings.

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 12:59 am

For the sake of accuracy....

Quoting Doona (Thread starter):
Boeing has had a few planned A/C that never materiealized. The three-engined B747-300... comes to mind.

The 747-300 did get made and had four engines....
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting Doona (Thread starter):
The three-engined B747-300

Actually, the three engined 747 was referred to as the 747-3... Not the same thing as the 747-300.
 
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 6:21 am

When the 757 and 767 programme was launched in the 70s, wasn't there also going to be a 3 engined version (called 777), I guess back in the days before ETOPs etc for long distance flights.
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
A 3-engined 747 ? How would that work ?

Like this:

http://www.rosboch.net/various/B747-300_Concept_with_three_engines.jpg


Cancelled 707 variants:

- 707-520 Reengined 120 Reengined 120 with RR Conway 10 engines.
- 707-520B 320B stretch 2' stretch of the 320B with JT3D-5A turbofans.
- 707-620 120 Stretch 10' stretch of the 120 with Bristol 511 engines.
- 707-720 320 with IGW Increased Gross Weight variant of the 320 with Bristol 511 engines.
- 707-320-101 320 with enlarged lower lobe 320 with an enlarged lower lobe for passenger seating on a lower deck forward of the wing and more cargo aft of the main gear.
- 707-520-X Double decker development Double decker with low wings. Length 191'7".
- 707-520-2X 520-X shrink Double decker with low wings. Shorter than the above.
- 707-520-X3 Double decker development Double decker with high wings. Length 144'2". Span 142'5".
- 735 and 738 Swing tail cargo variants 735 had an upward swinging tail and 738 a sideways swinging one. Both enabled cargo loading through the resultant opening.


Cancelled 727 variants:

- 727-100M Military Military version of the 727C with possible roles as Assault, staff and command transport, tanker, medevac and carrier onboard delivery(!)
- 727-300 Further Stretch 220 inch stretch of the -200 for passenger service with modified wing, bogie main gear and wide fan engines. Cancelled in favor of the 757.
- 787-300 Stretch Twin Project to make an evolved 727, with twin engines and winglets. The center engine was removed and a tail similar to that of late model MD-80s ("flathead screwdriver") was added. Superficially similar to the MD-80, but with the 727 fuselage width.

http://www.rosboch.net/various/787-300_Proposal_to_redesign_727.jpg
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 9:10 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 11):
737-900ER (?)

The 737-900X has not been canceled.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 17):
I guess back in the days before ETOPs etc for long distance flights.

The 767/A300/A310 started hoping water not long after their introduction (well, it took the A300 a bit of time)
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 9:16 am

ONly think i can remember about airbus is
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 1:05 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 18):
Like this:

Starlion, where do you get all your info and pictures. Its amazing what you have in your library!

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 3:23 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 11):
737-900ER (?)

Hasn't been cancelled, hasn't been launched yet but some airlines are very interested in the -900ER
 
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 4:35 pm

I'm surprised no one has brough up the A305.
 
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 4:42 pm

I, for one, wouldn't have minded seeing that 787-300 Stretch Twin Project. I suppose liking the 727 kinda tints my views. So basically this was dumped in favor of the 737NNG?

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 5:30 pm

I once saw a scaled modell of a four engined Beluga based on the A340-Concept.

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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 6:20 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 11):
The Sonic Cruiser from Boeing,

Wrong. That is the 787 which is well underway. It wasn't cancelled, remember that an artist concept doesn't an aircraft make.
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 6:28 pm

Quoting Doona (Thread starter):
the A340-200X

Was that the same thing as the ill-fated A340-8000 (and yes, I do mean 8-thousand!)?

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 18):
787-300 Stretch Twin Project

Now that would have been a stunning aeroplane to see. Gorgeous!
 
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RE: Cancelled Airbuses?

Wed May 04, 2005 9:00 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 27):

Was that the same thing as the ill-fated A340-8000 (and yes, I do mean 8-thousand!)?

Yes.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 21):
Starlion, where do you get all your info and pictures. Its amazing what you have in your library!



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 24):

P.S. Starlionblue, that's some collection you've got there...

Thx guys. It's all just pathological airliner information hoarding from various sources  Wink Some of it is on permanent display here (shameless self plug): http://www.rosboch.net/aviation


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