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What Next For US Airliners

Wed May 04, 2005 8:50 am

UA's, DL, AA's, NW etc, early 757's and 767 are starting to get a little old. There really doesn't seem to be any firm plans for replacing these planes other than just retiring them. Obviously the financial situations of the airliners is the reason for this. But sooner or later these planes need replacement. Is there any firm talk on placing an order for the 787, or the A350 or even the A321?
I know UA is replacing the 737's with the A320 which should be good for another 10 years or so, but some of the early A320's are starting to get up there as well (1989, I believe NW got their first A320).
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RE: What Next For US Airliners

Wed May 04, 2005 8:56 am

Commercial aircraft have a pretty long useful life. Look at UPS and FEDEX still flying 727's to this day...DC-8's even at UPS, with plans to fly them for many more years to come by the way.

While the above airlines and a.net enthusiasts (myself included) would love to see them all purchase nice, new shinny airplanes it is not economically feasible at this time or quite necessary for the very reason that I stated above.
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RE: What Next For US Airliners

Wed May 04, 2005 9:33 am

UA's 757s aren't really that old...I think the first ones are from the early 90s, which means they've still got a good 10 years left before UA would consider replacement.

NW's 757s are probably some of the newest in the country, if not the world.
 
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RE: What Next For US Airliners

Wed May 04, 2005 9:47 am

AA's 757s (at least the non-TWA ones) are not going anywhere. Those planes are incredible (tough, durable, reliable) and serve several key roles in the AA network -- most importantly, transcon from BOS/JFK/MIA/LAX/SFO and many MIA-Latin America routes. There is currently no other plane on the market that could fill that role in the AA network.
 
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RE: What Next For US Airliners

Wed May 04, 2005 11:06 am

I think the purpose of my post has been lost.

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
Commercial aircraft have a pretty long useful life. Look at UPS and FEDEX still flying 727's to this day...DC-8's even at UPS, with plans to fly them for many more years to come by the way.

This is true, but UPS and FedEx do not have to worry about passengers wanting comfortable and new ammenities.

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
While the above airlines and a.net enthusiasts (myself included) would love to see them all purchase nice, new shinny airplanes it is not economically feasible at this time or quite necessary for the very reason that I stated above.

Also true, but within 5-10 years older planes will need replacement.Hence the 787.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 2):
NW's 757s are probably some of the newest in the country, if not the world.

Most of NW's 757 are older. Only the handful of 753's are new. Of course, NW being NW I'm sure even the mid to late 80's 757's will be around until I'm a AARP member!

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
AA's 757s (at least the non-TWA ones) are not going anywhere. Those planes are incredible (tough, durable, reliable) and serve several key roles in the AA network -- most importantly, transcon from BOS/JFK/MIA/LAX/SFO and many MIA-Latin America routes. There is currently no other plane on the market that could fill that role in the AA network

Yes, a lot of the 757's and 767's aren't that old. But some are. UA, AA, DL, NW, etc are doing very poorly, which makes me wonder what the game plan will be for new planes. By the end of this decade there are going to be a lot of aging planes out there.
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RE: What Next For US Airliners

Wed May 04, 2005 11:41 am

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
Commercial aircraft have a pretty long useful life.

Design 30 years, with good mx its possible to have an economic 35 year life. How about those NW DC-9's!  duck 

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):

While the above airlines and a.net enthusiasts (myself included) would love to see them all purchase nice, new shinny airplanes it is not economically feasible at this time or quite necessary for the very reason that I stated above.

Well said. I would add that at their current bond ratings, investing in new airframes would incur a sharp financial penalty. Even at $55+/bbl, its probably cheaper to keep the old tried and true flying.

All of the "scuttlebutt" I hear is that the 757 will be around a while. (Pratt or RR powered). However, the JT-9D powered 762's are finding their way to your local convenience store. I do not expect most of them to be replaced with 787's but rather smaller airframes providing more "point to point" service around the hubs. I'm seeing several more years of strong 737 and 320 sales. I'm also seeing Boeing and Airbus having to come out with composite replacements for both before 2015.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: What Next For US Airliners

Wed May 04, 2005 4:09 pm

I dont think the 757 is going anywhere for a long while. If NW can keep DC-9s going for 30+ years, then AA, UA etc can do the same with the 757s. In fact, I think they could last longer than that if they maintained them well, as quality and reliability have gone up since the 60's / 70's and the design of the 757s are quite a bit newer.

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