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Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 5:30 am

Alaska Airlines has won the LAX-MEX authority that it, American, Continental, and America West were competing for. America West has been awarded the backup authority.

See http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf92/328083_web.pdf.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 5:36 am

I was hoping for American, but I knew Alaska would get this. They'll do great in the market.

I was shocked to read that LAX-MEX is the third largest US-Mexico O&D market (after NYC-MEX and MIA-MEX). I for sure would have thought it was the largest, even though there is so much traffic from Los Angeles to other gateways, like GDL.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 5:46 am

AA can still serve the route through the AS codeshare. Can't they?
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 5:51 am

I'm sure Alaska will do a great job in the market also. The carrier has a strong and popular Mexico network, and the addition of Mexico City will only enhance this, and allow the carrier to add another feather to its cap.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
AA can still serve the route through the AS codeshare. Can't they?

AA allready code shares with Mexicana on the route. This was actualy one reason the DOT listed against AA's application.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 5:58 am

This will be great for AS passengers. Also, it will be great for DL and AA passengers as they will be able to earn miles on AS. I bet the people who used to fly DL on this route are happy that they can still earn the SkyMiles.

AS sure seems to be building a nice Mexico network out of LAX. I recently heard that AS now carries the most international pax at LAX?
 
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 5:59 am

Great news! Not even posted on www.alaskasworld.com!

Thanks guys!

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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 6:03 am

Sweet!!!!! Super news!!!  champagne  Fares will drop dramatically on the route and flights to LAX via GDL!!!  checkmark  Any date given so far for first flight?

Welcome back AS!!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 6:05 am

Well, so much for all the "America West has a snowball's chance in..." talk. They came out better than CO and AA.

So now I have to place a mojo on AS Big grin
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 6:05 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I was shocked to read that LAX-MEX is the third largest US-Mexico O&D market (after NYC-MEX and MIA-MEX).

Where did you hear this?

Back to the subject; Will they fly a 738 on the route?

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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 6):
Fares will drop dramatically on the route and flights to LAX via GDL!!!

Fares will not drop dramatically. This is still a high-fare market and Alaska is not a low-fare carrier.

Quoting MGA (Reply 8):
Where did you hear this?

It was in the final decission docket sent out by DOT.

Quoting MGA (Reply 8):

Back to the subject; Will they fly a 738 on the route?

Yes. One 738 and one 73G.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I was shocked to read that LAX-MEX is the third largest US-Mexico O&D market (after NYC-MEX and MIA-MEX).

I highly doubt that NYC-MEX is the largest US-Mexico O&D market, especially when there are only 6 flights combined from JFK & EWR to Mexico City, while LAX has anywhere from 13 to 16 a day...at least! They must have made a mistake.

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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 6:19 am

Great news for SkyTeam members...!!

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
I bet the people who used to fly DL on this route are happy that they can still earn the SkyMiles.

AM has continued to fly this route at all times, so SkyMiles accrual never stopped... Now there are just more options.

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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 6:27 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
This is still a high-fare market and Alaska is not a low-fare carrier.

AS does tend to undercut competitors on Mexico routes.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 7:53 am

Once LAX-MEX is established, will there be other AS non-stops to MEX such as SAN, SFO, PDX or SEA? SAN sure could use a non-stop to MEX.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 7:53 am

Here's the official press release:

Contact: Caroline Boren -or- Sam Sperry
206-392-5799 206-392-5038

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 4, 2005


ALASKA AIRLINES WINS APPROVAL TO SERVE MEXICO CITY


SEATTLE — Alaska Airlines received approval today from the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to launch service between Los Angeles International Airport and Mexico City. Subject to government approval, Alaska will inaugurate service on Aug. 2 with one daily nonstop and will add a second daily nonstop shortly thereafter.

Flights will be routed Seattle-Los Angeles-Mexico City and Portland-Los Angeles-Mexico City, extending the benefits of Mexico City service to customers in the Pacific Northwest, Alaska and throughout Alaska Airlines’ route network.

“This award represents the culmination of our long pursuit of entry into the single largest U.S./Mexico market,” said Bill Ayer, chairman and chief executive officer of Alaska Airlines. “We are grateful to Secretary Mineta and the DOT for their favorable consideration of our application.”

The coveted route became available when Delta Air Lines, one of two U.S. carriers flying the route, announced that it would discontinue service at the end of January 2005. The United States-Mexico bilateral agreement, which governs air service between the two countries, limits service on the route to two carriers from each country.

Ayer said Alaska received hundreds of letters of support for its application. “We greatly appreciate the outpouring of support from our employees, union leadership, the communities we serve, and business and political leaders who, through their own grass-roots efforts, helped make a very compelling case for Alaska Airlines,” Ayer said.

Specifically, Ayer thanked members of the Alaska, Washington and Oregon congressional delegations, many of whom personally contacted the DOT to express their support for Alaska Airlines’ application; as well as Washington Governor Christine Gregoire, Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski and Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn, who also conveyed to the DOT their backing of the Alaska bid.

A mile high and steeped in history, Mexico City is the capital city of Mexico. It is home to 20 million people making it the largest city in the world, as well as the oldest continuously inhabited city in the Western Hemisphere. It is frequented year-round by both leisure and business travelers.

Alaska Airlines inaugurated service to Mexico in 1988 and currently serves eight cities in Mexico, including Cancun, Los Cabos, Loreto, Guadalajara, Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo, Manzanillo, Mazatlan and Puerto Vallarta.

Alaska and sister carrier, Horizon Air, together serve more than 80 cities through an expansive network throughout Alaska, the Lower 48, Canada and Mexico. For reservations visit alaskaair.com. For more news and information, visit the Alaska Airlines newsroom on the Internet at http://newsroom.alaskaair.com.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 8:00 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 13):
Once LAX-MEX is established, will there be other AS non-stops to MEX such as SAN, SFO, PDX or SEA? SAN sure could use a non-stop to MEX.

They would have to apply for it, but if the routes are available, it should not be an issue. It would not be the same kind of fight over those destinations as there was over LAX-MEX
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 8:37 am

Once LAX-MEX is established, will there be other AS non-stops to MEX such as SAN, SFO, PDX or SEA? SAN sure could use a non-stop to MEX.

The flights will be routed SEA-LAX-MEX and PDX-LAX-MEX, respectively. Anyone wanting to fly to MEX from SFO or SAN will just be connecting through LAX via AS/AA codeshare service (and the one SFO-LAX flight they offer on their own metal).

This way they can maximize the revenue - LAX-MEX O&D traffic plus the connecting traffic from other cities.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 13):
Once LAX-MEX is established, will there be other AS non-stops to MEX such as SAN, SFO, PDX or SEA?

SFO-MEX should be next. Nowadays, only UA and MX fly the route which is odd if you consider the value of SFO as leisure and business destination. Moreover, ethnic travelers are all over the Bay Area.

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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 10:36 am

Congratulations to AS!!! I was hoping they'd get it, and here they are. They're clearly the best choice and will provide excellent service on this routing as well as high quality inflight service that will surpase anything AA has ever offered, the "nothing" HP offers out of PHX. I think they'll give UA a run for their money.
 
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 18):
They're clearly the best choice and will provide excellent service on this routing as well as high quality inflight service that will surpase anything AA has ever offered, the "nothing" HP offers out of PHX. I think they'll give UA a run for their money

Ha Ha, you seem to be confusing Alaska Airlines for some mighty Asian airline. Alaska, offers nothing more than any of the other competitors on the Los Angeles to Mexico market. In addition if you have flown Alaska Airlines lately you will notice that hard times have hit, more noticeably to in flight meals!


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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 12:13 pm

GOOD FOR AS! I am glad for them.

So much for increased international destinations by Delta. Then again, it's all about business as usual. I don't blame Delta for dropping the route although I wish they didn't. It's too expensive here in LA to operate a business. That's why you see big industries leaving California, especially Southern California.

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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 1:02 pm

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 18):
as well as high quality inflight service that will surpase anything AA has ever offered, the "nothing" HP offers out of PHX

 Yeah sure

Yeah....ok. Clearly its been a while since you've flown AS.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 1:43 pm

Yeah....ok. Clearly its been a while since you've flown AS.

Typical grousing from Byrdluvs747 - that can be ignored.

AS isn't what they used to be - but they're still FAR superior to HP, and even my friends who are HP flight attendants and my fiancee who works in their Corporate office agree with that assessment.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting DALFlyer (Reply 20):

So much for increased international destinations by Delta. Then again, it's all about business as usual. I don't blame Delta for dropping the route although I wish they didn't. It's too expensive here in LA to operate a business. That's why you see big industries leaving California, especially Southern California.

What are you talking about? As far as airlines go, LAX is one of the best places to operate. It is just a matter of DL wanting to slim down their ops and having the ability to code with AM.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Thu May 05, 2005 1:49 pm

uhhh...I wouldn't say FAR superior especially for anything other than a transcon since those are the only AS flights I've been on recently that have had meals. Flying between PDX-PHX for example the service will be nearly identical, although if you fly on an Airbus HP you may get a movie if the movie their showing that month is short enough.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Fri May 06, 2005 12:26 am

Coronodo990: Hate to break it to you, but do not look for AS to start a bunch of routes to MEX. AS passengers going to MEX will be routed thru LAX. We do not have the fleet to start all these cities you mentioned down to MEX.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Fri May 06, 2005 1:03 am

Thanks for your input AS739X. I guess we'll need to be satisfied with AM one-stop service to MEX or crossing the border for the non-stops out of TIJ. I hate taking the puddle jumpers north to a crowded airport just to fly south. Western Airlines provided non-stops out of SAN to MEX as early as 1961 and it is our highest international O& D market. With AS already providing non-stops into Mexico from here (SJD), I thought it would be a natural but if equipment shortage is a problem, then I can understand.
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RE: Alaska Wins LAX-MEX Authority

Fri May 06, 2005 1:16 am

Keep in mind.

Alaska's route authority for MEX is only out of LAX-MEX. There are restrictions in the city pair markets - only two us and two mexican carriers can be each city pair market. Not to mention A.) alaska doesn't have the planes to start SFO, SEA, SAN-MEX b.) space at Benito Juarez is incredibly limited! and c.) AS will route everyone they can over LAX. True the two carrier limit isn't full in places like SFO, SEA, SAN-MEX but it is something to keep in mind.

And LAX-MEX may have 13 flights but in terms of O&D - it doesn't matter how many actual passengers are on the planes or how large the planes are - it matters how many people originated at NYC and went to MEX. LAX probably grabs a lot of transfer traffic to Asia.

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