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United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 7:07 am

I just found something interesting. Airways News reports UA has stored and returned to the lessor a B767-300ER, N645UA, at the end of March. That would be the first B763 to go.

http://www.airwaysnews.com/fleet/NAFU.htm

Any idea on how many B763 are planned to leave?



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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 7:59 am

A little old news. It was mentioned a few weeks back also in a post.

At the moment this is UA's only 763 lease rejection. The carrier is left with 14 two class domestic B763s and 22 three class international B763s.
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 8:02 am

Was the plane a mx nightmare? Can't imagine returning planes that aren't themselves more than 10 years old.
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 8:12 am

Was the plane a mx nightmare? Can't imagine returning planes that aren't themselves more than 10 years old.


i thought it had something to do with a bad lease agreement... UAL didn't agreed with the leasing company theire offers, if im right it goes about 2 767's???
 
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 9:27 am

As I remember, United didn't reject the plane- the bankruptcy judge did.
 
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 9:30 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
As I remember, United didn't reject the plane- the bankruptcy judge did.

Extra metal then I'd assume. Maybe they should reject the CEO?
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 12:36 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 5):
Maybe they should reject the CEO?

-Along with his suite at the Four Seasons in Chicago and the apartment in San Francisco.

Had the pleasure of talking to a few JFK based FA's for UAL and they had some not so great things to say. One stated that JFK was and never will be an important part of the UAL network, hinting at the fact that UAL may be dropping LHR and NRT from JFK. Another stated that a lot of Flight Attendants aren't even having their uniforms cleaned, as they are stating "Since they took our pensions, we dont really give a crap". Another one stated something to the fact that a strike would be more than overdue if it does happen... Very interesting! In addition they also brought up the fact that UAL added a second GRU-IAD flight, and SFO is still lacking any service to South America.

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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
Extra metal then I'd assume

Most likely it's in a domestic configuration and needs a "D" Check.
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 12:54 pm

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
Another stated that a lot of Flight Attendants aren't even having their uniforms cleaned, as they are stating "Since they took our pensions, we dont really give a crap".

thats just plain disrespectful to passengers.......

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
One stated that JFK was and never will be an important part of the UAL network, hinting at the fact that UAL may be dropping LHR and NRT from JFK

not sure if thats a bright idea, but maybe they can sell those landing slots to AA...heck, UA certainly does need the money  yes 
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 1:06 pm

JFK is important to UA too, though not as important as LAX, SFO, ORD, DEN etc.

No I don't think they will drop NRT-JFK

Will they ever restart HKG-JFK? Maybe with a B 777-200ER this time? Also LAX-HKG-DEL
 
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 2:12 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
Most likely it's in a domestic configuration

Nope. N645UA was a 3 class international configuration.
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 2:21 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
Will they ever restart HKG-JFK?

It will not happen per a few people at UAL. Rumor has it that UAL planned to yank the service right after it started! Cathay Pacific and United have never faired well in the same markets. Now that Cathay is 2x daily to JFK, dont look for a return to Hong Kong

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
LAX-HKG-DEL

It will not happen. United again, is not looking to fight anything with Cathay Pacific. United is strong at SFO, because of its clientele base. San Francisco is the only US gateway that CX/UA/SQ opt Hong Kong nonstop together. In addition United would plan on resuming 2 x daily Hong Kong from SFO before they would opt to fight Cathay at LAX again. Delhi, if it ever does happen again. In most cases would be nonstop from ORD, as originally planned in 2001.

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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 2:25 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
not sure if thats a bright idea, but maybe they can sell those landing slots to AA...heck, UA certainly does need the money

The slots at LHR aren't transferable, I thought. Anyway they would only be getting rid of the JFK based routes, not the landing slots. They should still be able to fly from elsewhere in their network to either LHR or NRT.
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 2:37 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
They should still be able to fly from elsewhere in their network to either LHR or NRT

Such As?


LHR
At Current JFK-LHR operates 2 x daily with Boeing 777 equipment

Chicago - It would create over capacity
Denver - Not going to Happen
Los Angeles - It would create over capacity
San Francisco - It would create over capacity
Washington - It would create over capacity

NRT
At current UA operates to Narita 1 x daily with Boeing 777 equipment

Chicago - It would create over capacity
Denver - Not going to Happen
Honolulu - Not going to Happen
Los Angeles - It would create over capacity
San Francisco - It would create over capacity
Seattle - Not going to Happen
Washington - It would create over capacity

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
The slots at LHR aren't transferable

Cant United Airlines auction off the landing rights at LHR and NRT?


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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 4:39 pm

maybe they'll switch one of the JFK-LHR 777 flights to AMS, because i know that , since today, they will fly with the 777 again from chigago....
 
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
The slots at LHR aren't transferable

The route right is not transferable, however the slots are very much transferable. United successfully auctioned off slots at LHR a couple years back when it dropped BOS, EWR and inter European flying to AMS and BRU.

However I doubt you'll see UA dropping either JFK-NRT/LHR. Both are holding their own at the moment. (There was a lengthy thread going a little while back about the JFK-NRT route)
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RE: United Returns First B767-300ER

Thu May 05, 2005 9:26 pm

Why would UA drop the NRT and LHR routes? Aren't these big money makers for UA? I wouldn't think cutting money making routes is the best way to help at UA.

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