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An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 4:35 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4524547.stm

Does anyone have more up to date info.
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 4:41 pm

This from Ninemsn. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=13420

A plane carrying 16 people has crashed in far north Queensland.

Police have confirmed wreckage of the plane was found just before 5pm (AEST), about nine kilometres north-west of Iron Range airport on the Cape York Peninsula.

It has been confirmed that there were 14 passengers and two crew on board.

The plane was travelling from Bamaga, near the tip of the Cape York Peninsula, but failed to arrive at Lockhart River around 1pm on Saturday.

Looks like the plane may have been operating a flight Aero-Tropics, although initial reports said that it may have been a charter.

http://www.aero-tropics.com.au/fleet.html

It was only the second lead story on tonights news as there wasn't many details.
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 4:45 pm

I heard about this on the 6pm news. A full search was declared 3 hours after it had failed to arrive
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 6:38 pm

Updated information.

It has been confirmed there were 13 passengers and two crew on board the plane, which crashed en route from Bamaga, near the tip of the Cape York Peninsula, to the township of Lockhart River.

Australian Search and Rescue have confirmed the burnt out wreckage was found just before 5:00pm AEST, about 10 kilometres north-west of Iron Range Airport.

Not confirmed but the plane could be VH-TFU, operated by Transair for Aero Tropics.

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 7:33 pm

Apparently it was a Metroliner. 15 on board, no survivors.

The Cape York Peninsula is very thinly-populated, very few towns. The only way to reach the wreck is by helicopter - it will likely be a while before there are any more details. It's 8.30 p.m. here now, dark.

[Edited 2005-05-07 12:35:51]

[Edited 2005-05-07 12:37:14]
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 7:51 pm

Oh dear, less then 1 week after an Airworks metroliner crashed in New Zealand, another Metroliner has gone down
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Oh dear, less then 1 week after an Airworks metroliner crashed in New Zealand, another Metroliner has gone down

777ER, you beat me to it! Very unfortunate for two incidents to occur in one week!  frown 

Any more info as to what caused the crash yet? Any survivors?

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 10:03 pm

This is very sad news. My heart goes out to the surviving family members.  crying 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 6):
Any more info as to what caused the crash yet? Any survivors?

This is all there is so far:-

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Nation...rash/2005/05/07/1115422842487.html

As I said, it's late here (almost midnight Saturday) and I don't expect that investigators will be able to get in there and gather any facts for about another 12 hours minimum.

Lockhart River is a typical up-country strip with a 4,400ft. tarmac runway running NW/SE. No navaids or ILS as far as I know. Hills to about 1,000 feet to the north-west. Don't know what the weather was like at the time.

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sat May 07, 2005 11:05 pm

These are always sad news,
My prayers goes to everybody involved in this crash...
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 12:59 am

In terms of number of fatalities, this is the worst aircraft accident in Australia since the 1960s.
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 1:33 am

What was the worst in Australia?
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 5:54 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Oh dear, less then 1 week after an Airworks metroliner crashed in New Zealand, another Metroliner has gone down

Not a good week for the Texas lawn dart.
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 8:19 am

Quoting N867BX (Reply 12):

Accident description


Date: 31 DEC 1968
Time: ca 11:35
Type: Vickers 720 Viscount
Operator: MacRobertson Miller Airlines
Registration: VH-RMQ
Msn / C/n: 45
Year built: 1954
Crew: 5 fatalities / 5 on board
Passengers: 21 fatalities / 21 on board
Total: 26 fatalities / 26 on board
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: 48 km (30 mls) S of Port Hedland, WA (Australia)
Phase: En route
Nature: Domestic Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport: Perth Airport, WA (PER)
Destination airport: Port Hedland Airport, WA (PHE)
Flightnumber: 1750
Narrative:
Flight 1750 departed Perth at 08:29 for a flight to Port Hedland.
The flight climbed to FL190, encountering light to moderate turbulence. Last radiocontact was at 11:34 when the crew reported 30DME south of Port Hedland, descending from 7000 feet. The aircraft was seen to descend rapidly and steeply a little later. The wreckage was found at 28 miles from Port Hedland.
CAUSE: "The cause of the accident was that the fatigue endurance of the starboard inner main spar lower boom was substantially reduced by the insertion of a flared bush at station 143 when the margin of safety associated with the retirement life specified for such booms did not ensure that this boom would achieve its retirement life

Reference : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681231-2

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting Spike (Reply 11):

Extremely sorry about the accident. May all be in peace

The worst Accident in Australia is :
Accident description


Date: 31 DEC 1968
Time: ca 11:35
Type: Vickers 720 Viscount
Operator: MacRobertson Miller Airlines
Registration: VH-RMQ
Msn / C/n: 45
Year built: 1954
Crew: 5 fatalities / 5 on board
Passengers: 21 fatalities / 21 on board
Total: 26 fatalities / 26 on board
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: 48 km (30 mls) S of Port Hedland, WA (Australia)
Phase: En route
Nature: Domestic Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport: Perth Airport, WA (PER)
Destination airport: Port Hedland Airport, WA (PHE)
Flightnumber: 1750
Narrative:
Flight 1750 departed Perth at 08:29 for a flight to Port Hedland.
The flight climbed to FL190, encountering light to moderate turbulence. Last radiocontact was at 11:34 when the crew reported 30DME south of Port Hedland, descending from 7000 feet. The aircraft was seen to descend rapidly and steeply a little later. The wreckage was found at 28 miles from Port Hedland.
CAUSE: "The cause of the accident was that the fatigue endurance of the starboard inner main spar lower boom was substantially reduced by the insertion of a flared bush at station 143 when the margin of safety associated with the retirement life specified for such booms did not ensure that this boom would achieve its retirement life

Reference : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681231-2

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 9:29 am

Some newspaper reports (not that they are reliable sources) are pointing to CFIT. Apparently the pilots declared their approach and were never heard from again.

Very sad day for all involved.
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 9:51 am

Quoting Webby (Reply 15):
are pointing to CFIT

Whats CFIT?

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 9:53 am

A bit more news:-

"A police rescuer has been winched down to the site of the far north Queensland plane crash where 15 people are presumed dead on a rugged mountain top. Police said the lone investigator would take photographs and video of the wreckage before being winched out again and returned to the airstrip at Lockhart River. Police would then determine what course of action they would take to recover the bodies.

"The Aero-Tropics Metroliner twin-engined plane crashed into the 500m mountain about 11km north west of the Lockhart River airport around noon on Saturday. There were 15 people on board, 13 passengers and two crew.

"The pilot had radioed he was approaching Lockhart River to land at around 11.45am (AEST), but the plane never arrived.

"A searching helicopter found the wreckage about four hours later."


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=13420
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 10:02 am

To answer your question Spike:

There was another Viscount lost near Winton in Queensland (birthplace of QANTAS) in 1966, also with twenty-six aboard. It lost a wing after a cabin supercharger failed and caught fire.

In 1960 a Fokker Friendship went into the sea near Mackay in Queensland with twenty-eight on board. The cause was unknown, but investigators suspected that the crew mis-read their three-pointer type altimeters and thought they were a thousand feet higher than their actual altitude. After this crash a Court of Enquiry recommended that drum-pointer altimeters and CVRs be fitted to RPT aircraft.

In 1950 a DC-4 was lost east of Perth in Western Australia, also with twenty-eight aboard, after a quadruple engine failure. In 1953 an Australian DC-6 was lost near SFO with nineteen on board after hitting a mountain on approach. In 1961 another Viscount with fifteen people on board broke up in a thunderstorm and went into Botany Bay a few minutes after taking off from SYD.

The above information is from Macarthur Job's book 'Air Crash Vol. 2'.

IIRC the Metro crash is only the fourth fatal RPT crash in Australia since the 1968 Viscount crash. There was a King Air crash at SYD in 1980, a Piper Chieftain at (I think) Cootamundra in NSW in 1991 or thereabouts; and a Turbo Commander into the sea on the way to either Lord Howe or Norfolk Island, IIRC that occured in 1994. We have been very fortunate in this country.

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 10:05 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Whats CFIT?

Controlled Flight Into Terrain
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 10:06 am

Just heard on the 1pm radio news that fire is believed to also be involved as what happened to the airworks metroliner four days earlier. A mid-air explosion is not being ruled out yet
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 10:39 am

I certainly would not rule out CFIT. I hear that the weather was poor at the time of arrival. Very sad indeed. I guess we await a full investigation
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting OzLAME (Reply 19):

Thanks

The police rescue officer has confirmed that all 15 passengers and crew are dead Sad
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 12:13 pm

Oh no! Not another Metro! Condolences to everyone involved.

*Sigh

I don't know what to feel...

I turned half a dozen Metroliners today at work...  worried 

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 1:03 pm

Quoting OzLAME (Reply 18):
IIRC the Metro crash is only the fourth fatal RPT crash in Australia since the 1968 Viscount crash

What is RPT?
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 1:15 pm

I must say I feel for that Queensland copper. Imagine risking your neck getting winched down to the wreck, and then having to 'investigate' and count the bodies, all on your own?

I hope he's safely back, and someone buys him a beer or six. He'll have earned them.......
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 3:12 pm

Picture of the crash site on here:-

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Nation...8/1115491035062.html?oneclick=true

Radio reports say crash was on a 60% slope, 100 feet below the crest of a 500-metre mountain ridge. Wreckage is concentrated. Worst Australian accident for thirty years. Apparently there was radio contact with the pilot until 'shortly before' the crash.
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 3:36 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 24):
What is RPT?

Regular Public Transport, which is scheduled airline service, as opposed to charter or private flights.
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 3:42 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 26):

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 4:36 pm

Aircraft missing is a Metro 23 which Operates HC170/HC171 on CNS - Bamaga - CNS on RPT operated by Transair for Aero Tropics. So not charter as I earlier thought.

More information, whats available anyway; from http://www.abc.net.au

The Metroliner crashed in bad weather near the Cape York community of Lockhart River yesterday afternoon, killing all 15 people onboard.

It is the worst civilian air accident in more than 30 years. Ten male passengers, three women passengers and two crewmen were onboard.

Bad weather and the rough terrain prevented emergency crews from reaching the crash site until today.

The confirmed number of people on board is 15, comprising of 10 adult males, 3 adult females and 2 male pilots.

Lockhart River is in North Queensland, not many people live up that way.

Very sad news indeed. My thoughts go out to all the families. crying 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 4:50 pm

There was also the Whyalla Airlines chieftan crash just a few years back.
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 5:08 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 25):
I must say I feel for that Queensland copper. Imagine risking your neck getting winched down to the wreck, and then having to 'investigate' and count the bodies, all on your own?

I hope he's safely back, and someone buys him a beer or six. He'll have earned them.......

I agree with that.

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Sun May 08, 2005 7:21 pm

Cheers, Mariner. Sad business indeed.

Our TV news said, weather low cloud and rain; Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Data Recorder recovered, but 'heat-affected' - sent to Canberra for analysis.

Also confirmed that crash site was about 10 km. out. I don't know Metroliners, but it strikes me that seven-odd miles out and around 2,000 feet would probably be just about exactly where they'd start putting flaps and gear down?

All the possibilities are there - weather, fire, engine failure, altimeter malfunction, flap trouble, gear trouble......strikes me that unless the ATC records or the CVR/FDR provide some hard information, this may be one of those cases where none of us will ever know for certain what happened?

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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Mon May 09, 2005 6:34 am

Texas Lawn Dart?.

Are you saying that the Metro Liner has a bad record, first time that I have heard of it.
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Mon May 09, 2005 7:22 am

All indictations point to CFIT (Controlled Flight into Terrain)

This is supported by the fact that the aircraft was on approach in bad weather, no reported problems and slammed into a hill.

A sad day
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Mon May 09, 2005 7:50 am

News reports this morning suggests that the plane was 320metres below where they should have been.
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Mon May 09, 2005 7:54 am

Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those lost and their families.
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Mon May 09, 2005 1:33 pm

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 30):
There was also the Whyalla Airlines chieftan crash just a few years back.

I'd forgotten that one; so this is the fifth RPT accident since 1968. If the cause is CFIT it would also be the first such accident on Australian RPT ops since the BCPA DC-6 near SFO I mentioned previously.

It will be interesting to see the report; I wonder what happened to the EGPWS. A CFIT accident is exactly the thing that EGPWS/TAWS is designed to prevent. Perhaps the aircraft only had GPWS and was banked when it hit.

A sad time for all involved.
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Mon May 09, 2005 2:21 pm

Just as well this crash wasn't thought to have been caused by the same problem as the airworks metro. If it was then it could have caused Australias and New Zealands metro fleet to be grounded intill all systems go
 
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RE: An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia

Mon May 09, 2005 2:44 pm

One new fact in this, from the 'disaster coordinator';

"It would appear that the impact is at about 1,300 feet above sea level and the actual terrain that was hit would have a ceiling of about 1,400 feet," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1363022.htm

Our Deputy Prime Minister was just on the radio 'advising caution' about attributing a cause - telling people to wait for the black boxes to be analysed.
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