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Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 9:48 am

I just came home on one of continentals 777 business first seats, and i was disappointed. in fact, i noticed that the seat was more comfortable in the cradle position, than it was in the lie flat position. although, im 6'3, i have seen other lie flat business class seats(raffles,qantas), and those were fine. Continentals engineers have some work on their hands. the angle just doesnt work
 
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Richard28
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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 10:05 am

In the world of J class seats there are two version of "flat"

most airlines go for a flat bed which is at angle, and thus saves on pitch for the seat allowing more seats to be put in the cabin.

It made me laugh when NW launched their angled flat seat, saying it wasn't truly flat, as research showed that passengers preferred an angled bed!

The other type is the true horizontal J class flat bed, pioneered by BA, and now with SAA and VS also.

In these beds, you can get some proper flat sleep!
 
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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 10:05 am

IMHO, it's not a problem of angle but rather of pitch - at 6'4", I literally have no place to put my feet.
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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 2):
IMHO, it's not a problem of angle but rather of pitch - at 6'4", I literally have no place to put my feet.

Fly with VS, you have 6ft 7.5 inches of flat bed there........
 
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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 11:23 am

I have never flown anyone's J-class product...just domestic first on DL (yawn) but anyway. If you have the window seat and need to get up for the bathroom while the person next to you is sleeping...how does that work? Do you climb over them?
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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 11:54 am

CO does not really have lie-flat seats. Nor does DL, but DL does have 60" of pitch compared to CO's 55". DL's seats are leather, CO cloth also CO has this weird footrest, like a metal stirrup. If you're window on either DL or CO and your aisle partner is fully reclined it can be a very awkward climb over especially when you're 2 meters tall and have to deal with the overhead bin. That's why I always fly the middle row on both. CO's 767's have a single seat in the middle. Flying it for 11 hours next week, we'll see how it feels with an aisle on both sides.
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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 12:48 pm

I've flown three variants of the 'lie flat' style J seats: NW, CO and KL (in fact, I just got off KL605 about six hours ago).

I find them all lousy as beds. I find myself able to get very comfy in the cradle position, though.

My personal rankings (and these are very much a person-to-person thing, IMO) are:

KL
CO
NW

with the edge given to CO if it's a daytime flight and you will be sitting upright most of the time.

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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 1:14 pm

I actually like NW's WBC seats better than CO. CO's BF seats are also an earlier generation of lie flat seats...

Well to be honest, I actually like the old style sleeper seats... and find all the angled lie flat seats very uncomfortable, even CX or SQ. DL Business Elite seats don't bother me at all... as well as BMI's business seats.

Of course, the Virgin suites are truly the best J sleeper seats out there, but I guess only NZ is going with these seats. BA sleeper seats are also fully flat, but the problem is the narrowness of the seats.

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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 2:16 pm

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 1):
The other type is the true horizontal J class flat bed, pioneered by BA, and now with SAA and VS also.

NZ too

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 4):
If you have the window seat and need to get up for the bathroom while the person next to you is sleeping...how does that work? Do you climb over them?

There is plenty of space to get out

Quoting Carfield (Reply 7):
Of course, the Virgin suites are truly the best J sleeper seats out there, but I guess only NZ is going with these seats.

NZ are the only ones allowed to use them as Virgin owns the patents and has only licensed it to NZ
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RE: Continentals Lie Flat Business First

Sun May 08, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 4):
If you have the window seat and need to get up for the bathroom while the person next to you is sleeping...how does that work?

it varies.

On BA you have to step over the feet of your neighbour. On VS every seat has aisle access (they have a herringbone layout) so there is not a problem.

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