mozart
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Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 4:34 pm

I know that there are a number of airports that have siginificant contribution to their O&D traffic thanks to the fact that there is a strong presence of the oil industry. Some of them are in rather "exotic" places, and others at least generate some surprising routings (like Aberdeen-Stavanger).

My question: which airports are "oil destinations"? Which routes are flown primarily to cater to the oil industry?

Cities that I can think of:

Aberdeen
Stavanger
Norwich (?)
Houston
Bakersfield (?)
Anchorage (?)
Veracruz
Maracaraibo
Port Harcourt
Malabo
Libreville
Kuwait
Abu Dhabi
Jeddah
Doha (?)
Basra
Kish Island

Which others?

Also, I think Air France's Dedicate service caters primarily to "oil passengers".
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 4:37 pm

Amsterdam? Shell's headquarters is located in the NL, right?
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 4:39 pm

Quoting Mozart (Thread starter):
Bakersfield (?)

No

Quoting Mozart (Thread starter):
Which others?

Lagos
Amsterdam (though it has other traffic, so does Houston)
Jakarta
Rangoon
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 4:40 pm

Quoting TexasLonghorn (Reply 1):
Amsterdam? Shell's headquarters is located in the NL, right?

Royal Dutch Shell, yeah, I think so Big grin
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 4:49 pm

More cities with "some" Oil business in or around:
YYC
YEG
DFW
MTY
GDL
Minatitlán, México
Barrancabermeja, Colombia
Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela
POS
Piura, Perú
Comodoro Rivadavia, Argentina
Bakú, Azerbarjian
Almaty, Kazastan
LAD
LOS
ABJ
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 4:51 pm

Baku Azerbaijan,
Damman/Dhahran Saudi Arabia,
Caracas Venezuela
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 5:29 pm

HME is pretty well only for oil business traffic.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 5:58 pm

I visited Norwich the other day and saw on the departures screen helicopter flights out to the gas fields in the North Sea. Not high volumes like some of the other airports mentioned, but I was surprised.. never realised that.


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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 6:00 pm

Back in day Western had DC10 "Spaceship" service that linked "oil cities"
flight went IAH-YEG-ANC-YEG-IAH... damn thing was always full of "oil field workers".... so yes let us not forget that ANC is one of the most important oil cities in the USA..... Western also had ANC-FAI-SCC-FAI-ANC 727 service for a time... that linked with this flight...
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 6:13 pm

a fair few places in North Africa I woudl guess - Tripoli? Hassid Maohood (or whatever it is)? Algiers? Benghazi?

also Groningen (?) in the Netherlands, Esjberg, Humberside??
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 6:42 pm

Hassi Messaoud in Algeria, probably Ghedames and Sebha in Lybia, and El Borma in Tunisia.
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 7:16 pm

What about Siberia? Hunan Island (China)? North Slope Alaska? Anwar, Alaska? Don't forget Baghdad was a big oil destination for the UN "oil for money, opps I mean food program" in the 1990s.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 7:24 pm

What about the cities valid for Air France's "Petroleum Club" FFP? I wonder if they'd still have such a program under the new "Flying Blue".

Membership of the Petroleum Club is reserved to persons aged 18 years who are employed by oil or gas production or exploration companies or by companies sub-contracted to oil or gas production or exploration companies recognised by Air France, and who make at least one return air journey for professional reasons to and from countries with production or exploration sites, on Air France oil routes.


Air France oil routes are those routes serving the following destinations from Paris :

Abidjan, Abu Dhabi, Amman, Atlanta, Bangkok, Beirut, Beijing, Bombay, Boston, Brazzaville, Buenos Aires, Cairo, Caracas, Cincinnati, Cotonou, Damascus, Douala, Dubai, Hong Kong, Houston, Jakarta, Johannesburg, Kinshasa, Lagos, Libreville, Lome, Luanda, Manila, Mexico, Miami, N'Djamena, New York, Niamey, Nouakchott, Port Harcourt, Rio de Janeiro, Riyadh, Santiago, Sao Paulo, Shanghai, Singapore and Yaounde.

p/s - Singapore, although does not produce a single drop of oil within its territory, is Southeast Asia's largest oil refinery centre.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 7:30 pm

What about Tashkent?
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 8:01 pm

Quoting TexasLonghorn (Reply 1):
Amsterdam? Shell's headquarters is located in the NL, right?

Shell is an Anglo Dutch company. It was started in London in 1833 as Shell whilst in the Netherlands a rival company called Royal Dutch was formed some years later.

In time, it became obvious that the competing Dutch and British companies would do better working together. In 1907, the Royal Dutch/Shell Group of companies was created to incorporate their operations worldwide.


The Headquaters are split between Amsterdam and London. The one in London is right next to the London Eye, you cannot miss it.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 9:31 pm

Quoting KEno (Reply 12):
Air France oil routes are those routes serving the following destinations from Paris :

Abidjan, Abu Dhabi, Amman, Atlanta, Bangkok, Beirut, Beijing, Bombay, Boston, Brazzaville, Buenos Aires, Cairo, Caracas, Cincinnati, Cotonou, Damascus, Douala, Dubai, Hong Kong, Houston, Jakarta, Johannesburg, Kinshasa, Lagos, Libreville, Lome, Luanda, Manila, Mexico, Miami, N'Djamena, New York, Niamey, Nouakchott, Port Harcourt, Rio de Janeiro, Riyadh, Santiago, Sao Paulo, Shanghai, Singapore and Yaounde.

Pointe Noire (PNR) is also an important "oil destination", served nonstop from CDG by AF 5 x Weekly now, as a "Dedicate" A319ER service.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 11:02 pm

I'd have to disagree with N1120A, there is some decent oil traffic at BFL..just maybe not from his location at LAX. COEX is coming up on a yr with its service to IAH and DLex is putting on a flight to SLC..the location of the new owners of the former Shell, former Texaco refinery in BFL.

While it may not be what it once was, there is still quite a bit of oil left in the San Joaquin Valleys south end (Kern River).Estimates are at least 20 yrs worth yet.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Sun May 08, 2005 11:16 pm

Mozart,

Isn't Kish rather an internal tourism destination in Iran? I have a colleague from Iran, and she described it as a "duty free area" where people tried to go in order to get stuff less readily available or way more expensive in Teheran.
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 12:56 am

Tulsa TUL is another (though not to the degree of years past)
Midland, Texas MAF
and even New Orleans (of course there is other traffic)
Some smaller cities like Ponca City, Oklahoma (with EAS) and Southeastern New Mexico.

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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 1:05 am

Newcastle, UK as well. A lot of gas/oil workers use the NCL-SVG flights on Wideroe
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting Wassch71 (Reply 17):
Isn't Kish rather an internal tourism destination in Iran? I have a colleague from Iran, and she described it as a "duty free area" where people tried to go in order to get stuff less readily available or way more expensive in Teheran

Thats how it was explained to me as well, perhaps there is some oil business on the island??
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 1:14 am

Maracaibo, Venezuela
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 1:51 am

N1120A-Why not Bakersfield?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
North Slope Alaska?

Prudhoe Bay? or Barrow? or Both?

Quoting Lono (Reply 8):
Western also had ANC-FAI-SCC-FAI-ANC 727 service for a time... that linked with this flight...

SCC=Prudhoe Bay

Once upon a time, Continental and Alaska had an interchange: DEN-PDX-ANC-SCC.

If the refinement of Shale Oil on the Western Slope of the Rocky Mountains ever becomes cost effective....watch for Grand Junction Colorado to become an "Oil"destination. (projected timeframe, 2200-2300 A.D.) Over 60% of the world's shale oil reserves, and the most easily recoverable deposits are located in the Piceance Creek Basin in western Colorado and the Uinta Basin in eastern Utah.
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 3:57 am

Has anyone said Houston, TX, cause Houston has HUGE ties to the American oil industry?

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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting TexasLonghorn (Reply 1):
Amsterdam? Shell's headquarters is located in the NL, right?

Shell's headquarters is in The Hague and Rotterdam is "their" airport.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 4:39 am

In Latin America, the "oil destinations" are:

- Naturally, I am only listing the administrative capitals of the region's oil companies, not the field operations [except, of course, for Rio where most of the production projects are deepwater offshore locations off the RJ coast]

GIG - center of Brazil's energy sector; home to Petrobras SA [USD 45 billion market cap!] and all the international firms now operating since the Republic initiated its oil/gas field auction "rounds" in 1998. RD/Shell, BP, BG Group, etc. all have offices in Rio.

EZE - Argentine HQ for Repsol YPF, as well as several other international firms, BP/PanAmerican Energy, Petrobras SA, Total SA, RD/Shell [refining and marketing only]. Field operations in Neuquen, Santa Cruz, etc. accessed via cabotage flights from AEP.

CCS - despite the NIGHTMARE initiated by the Chavez administration and subsequent ratification of CONFISCATORY operating laws, Venezuela is still home to the largest hydrocarbon reserves in the Western Hemisphere. PDVSA is a chaotic mess of competing political agendas and a den of corruption, but still manages to produce over 2 million Bdl/day [who knows? PDVSA's actual data is impossible to obtain!!]

MEX - PEMEX's ; for now, Mexico is ONLY of interest to oil service firms as its hydrocarbon sector is constitutionally reserved for PEMEX. However, things are moving fast and the Company's CEO has requested Congress ratify legislation to open up the sector to private investment. Also Repsol YPF and Petrobras SA have natural gas service agreements with PEMEX. Huge investment is sorely-needed and Mexico's energy sector will take-off once [or if] the sector opens up.

UIO - Ecuador's production takes place in its Oriente region east of the capital. Several firms have offices in Quito, including Petrobras SA [after buying Perez Companc SA in 2002], EnCana [wanna buy? their fields are for sale!!!], Repsol YPF, ENI SpA. New oleoducto de crudo pesado [OCP] online since 2003.

VVI - Bolivia's natural gas fields have HUGE potential. Unfortunately, political wackiness here exceeds even Venezuela's crazy environment. The new 50% royalty bill currently in Congress is a complete NIGHTMARE and nationalism against "evil foreigners" [even imaginary Chilean ones!!] will postpone the country's assumption as the region's natural gas powerhouse for many, many years.

LIM - Big future with the start of operations from the new Camisea natural gas pipeline; investors include Hunt Petroleum and Techint of Argentina.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 4:44 am

THe old CO flight IAH-MAR (Maracaibo, Venezuela) - IAH used to be a very good example of an OIL route.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 6:15 am

CO didn't operate IAH-Maracaibo as far as I know. However, Viasa served this route. I flew it once with my dad on an AB3. I think it was twice a week service that switched to a 727 before Viasa folded.
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 6:58 am

Continental definitley has a thing for serving oil destinations. Many of the destinations they have added in the past few years - Edmonton, St. John's, Bakersfield, Oslo, Bristol - are major oil cities.
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 7:47 am

Other UK destinations could include Scatsa and Sumburgh

Mark, why would you consider Bristol a major oil city...?
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 7:58 am

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 27):
CO didn't operate IAH-Maracaibo as far as I know

I believe they certainly did. But we're talking circa late 70's and prestrike
 
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 24):
Shell's headquarters is in The Hague and Rotterdam is "their" airport.

Not exactly so. Rotterdam has much too few routes with much too low frequencies. We Shell workers go to AMS and take the train to The Hague - or to Rotterdam, Leidschendam or other places in NL where Shell has large facilities or offices.
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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 9:15 am

When I moved from Houston to Maracaibo I flew Viasa (but we connected somewhere-I don't remember), this was the early 80s though.

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RE: Which Are "oil Destinations"

Mon May 09, 2005 9:55 am

I'd put a vote in for LGB.

I'm staying out here in Long Beach area and there are oil rigs in the bay, oil pumps on many corners, and refineries as well.
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