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EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 6:06 pm

acording to Luchtvaartnieuws
EK has choosen the A350 over the Boeing 787, in an order for up to 50 aircraft. the order will be announced next month on the paris airshow. i don't have more info




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(www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl) always has it by the right end. so no rumours...
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 6:33 pm

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 6:37 pm

Interesting development. Looks like the A350 isn't as dead as many thought (myself included). I suppose EK was partly attracted to the amount of input they'll have on the final design, and possibly by the earlier delivery dates (assuming they didn't have deposits in with Boeing).
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:05 pm

It seems EK have cash and cash to spare.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:06 pm

Luchtvaart news is citing the piece in the London Times.......which does not name sources and is confirmed neither by Airbus nor EK, so we shall see what the real story is. I must say that from the rumors and un-confirmed press releass floating around, it appears that Airbus has the momentum with the EK order.

Quoting Mauriceb (Thread starter):
acording to Luchtvaartnieuws


source:
(www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl) always has it by the right end. so no rumours...

True, its a good source, but its basically a collection of new stories released to the media after an event occured, so their accuracy rate is good. In the subject case, the London Times piece is still speculation as neither the airline or manufactuer has officially announced. There is some political issues going on in the UK at the moment concerning aid to launch the A350 as it relates to job creation and the subject article was likely planted in the respect to that matter.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:08 pm

Isn't it about time RR got their engine on this thing?
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:11 pm

PM, I agree!

Will RR put their engines on the A350, or is it to early to tell?

Great news for Airbus, will the A350's replace the A330's?

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:12 pm

If true, this order from Emirates could really save the A350 program. This was one of a few "must win" competitions facing the A350.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:13 pm

If anything is going to carry the A350 in the short term, it will be the A359. It should be more efficient than what is currently on the market in the 280-300 pax market that has a similar range. I'm skeptical about the A358 though.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:29 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 7):
If true, this order from Emirates could really save the A350 program. This was one of a few "must win" competitions facing the A350.

It certainly takes far more than half a year before Airbus says "Yes, we continue the project." or "No, we don't". Time for Airbus and the airlines is definitly running not as fast as for us ...

As for the EK-deal I am ambivalent. On the one hand it brings money to Europe and secures employment, but on the other it backs a project with little chance of being successful.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:57 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 7):
If true, this order from Emirates could really save the A350 program. This was one of a few "must win" competitions facing the A350.

Indeed it is... Airbus would have been relying very heavily on this order coming through. We'll see at Paris whether true or not, but I don't doubt it yet, just want to hear it straight from the source.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 8):
If anything is going to carry the A350 in the short term, it will be the A359. It should be more efficient than what is currently on the market in the 280-300 pax market that has a similar range. I'm skeptical about the A358 though.

Yeah, it will just be interesting to see how Airbus mould both aircraft. They still have a lot of flexibility in the design of both variants, and they EK order might tailor it a little more.

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
It certainly takes far more than half a year before Airbus says "Yes, we continue the project." or "No, we don't". Time for Airbus and the airlines is definitly running not as fast as for us ...

What do you mean by this?

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 9):
As for the EK-deal I am ambivalent. On the one hand it brings money to Europe and secures employment, but on the other it backs a project with little chance of being successful.

How can you even say this yet? I assume you have a tangible basis for making such a statement.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 7:59 pm

This is good news for Airbus. However, I have some conceirns with the fact that Emirates is almost Airbus' biggest customer and driving source behind two of Airbus' most important projects on the moment (A350/A380). On the other hand, if I can think about this as an "armchair CEO" than the real CEO's at Airbus would have secured this well.

Quoting CXYYZ (Reply 2):
Looks like the A350 isn't as dead as many thought (myself included).

Nope, you're right! I also thought Airbus wasn't heading in the right direction with the A350, but after seeing a rather interesting presentation on the A350 a month ago, I became somehow more confident.

I think Airbus will announce more orders for the A350 at the Paris Air Show. Airbus has always been very keen on announcing this sort of stuff at air shows.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:06 pm

I disagree with PADspot concerning the doubts about the commercial viability of the A350.
True that the 787 had a flying start but for airlines in need to enter new markets the A350 is a great costsaver.
Airbus has chosen throughout the last two months restraint announcing any new customers.I have doubts that all airlines all of a sudden focus on the 787 and dis-reagrard the range from Airbus.I think Qatar will also go for the A350 .
And there might be some surprise-announcements in Paris next months.
A new wing is a major re-design for an aircraft and the increased use of new materials will make the A350 more competetive as compared to the A330.
Not to forget that slots for the 787 will now stretch into 2010-2011 timeframe !
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:06 pm

The A350 is certainly taking some flak due to its perception as being technologically inferior to the 787. Cast your minds back 10 years and I'm sure a similar debate would be happening regarding the 737NG-A320. If you want to argue technology then surely the 737NG was a futile attempt by Boeing to keep the 737 going.

Consider the facts, the original 737-100 entered service with Lufthansa in February 1968. The A320 entered service with Air France in March 1988 and the first 737NG a -700 entered service with Southwest in December 1997.

The NG entered service some 29 years years after the first -100, surely the debate at the time would have considered Boeing suicidal in the face of the state of the art A320 that had entered service only 9 years earlier. But as time has shown, Boeing chose right and the 737NG has proven to be a great success.

There must certainly be two competitors in this market segment, has the 787 stolen the limelight due to its earlier entry?, is the A350 not competitive enough?, should Airbus have waited a few more years then produced a true competitor?. Only time will tell what will come of the 787 and A350, I'm sure both will do well. Remember back to the 767-A310, both were launched at the same time, the 767 became the dominant aircraft by a margin of at least 3 to 1.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:07 pm

My concern about this, if it is true, is "How wide is the appeal of the 350".

If Airbus launch on the basis of an order from EK & Air Europe, but the craft doesn't have wide appeal and they only sell 150 or so, this could be a problem following on from the costly 380.

I have seen figures of $5 billion or so to develop this craft, and they are up against stiff competition, so probably won't get premium pricing.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:15 pm

like to hear that. Even better if this is true.. But i still rather would take the 787 myself. I like that design although i still remain airbus fan.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:21 pm

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 14):
If Airbus launch on the basis of an order from EK & Air Europe, but the craft doesn't have wide appeal and they only sell 150 or so, this could be a problem following on from the costly 380.

Yeah good point! The versatility of the A350 remains to be seen, as EK is definatly not the kind of airline that other major airlines will look at to compare fleet planning descisions!

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 14):
I have seen figures of $5 billion or so to develop this craft, and they are up against stiff competition, so probably won't get premium pricing.

Yeah again, pricing remains the relative unknown and Airbus will try not to screw themselves into a hole this time around!
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:22 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 10):
What do you mean by this?

The A350 has been announced somewhere around September last year. Now after little more the half a year, it is simply to early to say "Yes! The orderbook justifies the continuation of the project." or "No, we drop it!"

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 10):
How can you even say this yet? I assume you have a tangible basis for making such a statement.

Correct! This is my personal opinion (but shared with many others ... highfive  Wink.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 12):
A new wing is a major re-design for an aircraft and the increased use of new materials will make the A350 more competetive as compared to the A330.

... a plane that does not need a successor yet. But beside that I desperately share your hopes concerning the economic viability of the A350!!! Although I am very pessimistic.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:32 pm

EK seems in a league all its own. It's it really wise to build an aircraft for one unique airline? Look at what happened to the 764.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:39 pm

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 17):
The A350 has been announced somewhere around September last year. Now after little more the half a year, it is simply to early to say "Yes! The orderbook justifies the continuation of the project." or "No, we drop it!"

Well the same could have been said in the early days of the 787 (then 7E7) project. Until ANA hopped on board many people were very nervous for many months sweating on the success of it and now look... its booming!

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 17):
Correct! This is my personal opinion

Well perhaps next time you might say "in my opinion" before you make us all think you knew something we didn't!  Wink
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:42 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 18):
EK seems in a league all its own. It's it really wise to build an aircraft for one unique airline? Look at what happened to the 764.

lol ... good one !! Especially if you consider that the 764 didn't cost about 4 Billion € to develop.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:52 pm

KennyK,

I do not think the 320/737NG comparison really applies well. Boeing basically built an airplane that is neck-an-neck with A320 by using a tried-and-trusted basic fuselage.

The 787/A350 scenario is different. Judging by the info made public by Airbus so far, the 787 will have clear edge over the 350 if it meets its specs. However, they might have made some big changes (non-public) to convince Emirates that they could make the better aircraft.

Whatever Airbus produces to compete againsts the 787, I think it will bear little resemblance to the warmed over A330 that they have been talking about in public. It will be better.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 8:58 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 21):
Whatever Airbus produces to compete againsts the 787, I think it will bear little resemblance to the warmed over A330 that they have been talking about in public. It will be better.

Lets hope! I love the A330 but man, no way it competes with the 787 based on that design! We'll see soon hopefully.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:01 pm

...I also think Etihad are in discussions with Airbus regarding the A350....
They have indicated to be in close contact with Airbus regarding an announcement in Paris .
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:10 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 21):
the warmed over A330

That dismissive phrase was probably fair some months ago but I suspect that the A350 is now much closer to an all-new design. Think of the various iterations of the 747. Was the 747-400 a "warmed over" 747-300 whatever the superficial similarities? The 747 in production today has little in common with the models that were coming off the line in 1970. (For example, the 747-100 was selling wheareas the 747-400 no longer is. Sorry - couldn't resist it!)
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:33 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 24):
That dismissive phrase was probably fair some months ago but I suspect that the A350 is now much closer to an all-new design.

I agree with you. But bear in mind that the initial Airbus response to the 787 was doing nothing more than hanging 787 engines on the A330 and dismissing the 787 as irrelevant. To the best of my recollection, when Boeing makes a minor change to an aircraft they do not bill at as much or much less.

Now Airbus is completely revamping their response to the 787 albeit in a piecemeal fashion.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:38 pm

Good news for Airbus, if it's true. They really need a big order for the A350. Is it safe to say that with this order the A350 project will definately be continued?
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 25):
the initial Airbus response to the 787 was doing nothing more than hanging 787 engines on the A330 and dismissing the 787 as irrelevant.

Absolutely right. A big mistake from which I hope they have learned.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 18):
EK seems in a league all its own. It's it really wise to build an aircraft for one unique airline? Look at what happened to the 764.

Air Europa has shown intrest in the project too, they have signed a MoU for the A350, also QR & EY have shown intrest for the A350!

http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/...d&search_month=&search_year=&pos=1

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:51 pm

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:51 pm

Lots of IFs here but how would we (A.Net) feel about the A350 when (IF!) it has landed 50 orders from EK, 60 from QR, 30 from EY, 10 from Air Europa and, say, a few more from perhaps SQ or LH or CX? I hasten to add that I'm making no predictions but none of the above seems completely out of the question and Airbus could close 2005 with, say, 150+ orders from five airlines. They'd still be trailing the 787 but would we see the A350 in a different light?
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:55 pm

I know that Airbus are looking at starting build of the A350 in the 1st quarter next year (2006) or first cut as it's called.The factory for the wings is to be built at Broughton. The build of which is due to start in November this year.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 9:58 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 30):
They'd still be trailing the 787 but would we see the A350 in a different light?

Yes and no. Reactions for some airlines would be like:

EK: Well, thats easy, these planes are paid with oil-money
QR: Same thing here
EY: Ahh, the cute little airline bought themselves a plane

Now, when CX, SQ or LH orders them, than the A350 will start to earn some respect. Some people still need to adapt that these new Middle-East airlines are here to stay!

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 10:06 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 32):
hese planes are paid with oil-money

Nowadays most of the small gulf states and emirates earn most of their money with other things than oil. Some, like dubai don't even have oil anymore. While it is true that their wealtch and prosperity is founded on former oil profits (you need money to make money).

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 10:11 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 30):
They'd still be trailing the 787 but would we see the A350 in a different light?

Indeed it would be considered much more than a paper plane made by the kid whose jealous of his friends better one!

Quoting Bigsmile (Reply 31):
I know that Airbus are looking at starting build of the A350 in the 1st quarter next year (2006) or first cut as it's called.The factory for the wings is to be built at Broughton. The build of which is due to start in November this year.

Wow, seems they are actually committed to building it.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 32):
EK: Well, thats easy, these planes are paid with oil-money

No. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au.../0,5744,15118293%255E23349,00.html

The last part is of interest:

"Emirates says its fuel is not subsidised, and it has joined other carriers in imposing fuel charges. Flanagan says a fuel management strategy that saved it $US170 million failed to stop fuel costs jumping from about 14 per cent of the total to about 29 per cent now. But he says the effect on traffic of the fuel surcharge is minimal, and takes solace in the reaction to the oil price spikes of the 198Os: "It went up to $US50 a barrel in 1980 prices, that was way above in real terms what fuel is costing now." "

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 32):
QR: Same thing here

Maybe with QR.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 10:15 pm

Iberia are among the airlines considering the A350 - should they also sign for a significant quantity ,the credibility of the aircraft would be confirmed.
The 787 has twenty customers so far which is a great success for Boieng but there are more than fifty larger airlines still without any replacment scenarios or comitted orders- so the future might not be as bleak as some make it believe for Airbus and the A350.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 10:32 pm

EK didn't want the 787 because it was too small. If they go with the A359, which competes more closely with the 772, are the economics of the A359 that much better than the 772 they already have?

The other issue with the A350 is that it is going to start a REAL A vs. B war across the pond with the subsidies battle. I am not sure how A would get away with it when they are in the spotlight with this one.

If they claim that B is getting subsidies in the forms of tax breaks then A should also give up the taxs breaks they receive plus give up the infrastructures that they use for free granted by the respective governments.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 10:40 pm

It is kind of interesting that Emirates is the company stepping up to the plate for the A350. On one hand, they are Airbus's "Golden Child" customer because of their substantial orders for A380, A330, and now possibly the A350.

On the other hand, Emirates is a great source of consternation for European carriers. Once those A380s come online, things will only get harder for European companies I think. Emirates will be able to flood certain markets with capacity and drive down yields. Air France and others will not be happy. Some of the A380s will be headed to Europe.

I wonder if this tension between the prosperity of Airbus and the health of European airlines will come to a head.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 36):
The other issue with the A350 is that it is going to start a REAL A vs. B war across the pond with the subsidies battle. I am not sure how A would get away with it when they are in the spotlight with this one.

Get away with what? This subsidy issue is much deeper than a comment like that warrants... If you are going to criticise A for certain things like subsidies, you need to look a B's backhand politics in the same light... The business worls is competitive and for us to sit on a forum and judge the complete picture with half the information leads my, in my opinion to believe, that our statements are questionable.

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 36):
If they claim that B is getting subsidies in the forms of tax breaks then A should also give up the taxs breaks they receive plus give up the infrastructures that they use for free granted by the respective governments.

I think you need to read up on the tax-offset deal that EADS has with the EU.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 10:51 pm

OK. We're mostly just whistling in the dark but here's something else to think about. Of the announced 787 orders, Airbus are probably not too surprised or concerned about some. Did anyone ever seriously believe that JAL and ANA would not order the 787 or that they would order the A350? There's 80 sales right there that were always going to Seattle (Chicago?). Equally, the large order for Chinese airlines does not at all rule out the possibility of subsequent A350 sales there. That one is far from over. Air New Zealand and Vietnam have never ordered an Airbus widebody and Icelandair and Ethiopian have never bought anything from Airbus. (Which is not to say that Airbus wouldn't dearly have loved those orders.) Continental is locked into an exclusivity deal with Boeing. (OK, the legally-binding version of it was dropped but I suspect there's still an 'understanding'.) First Choice and Blue Panorama...? Oh, I don't know. Charter airlines are hard to 'read'.

But what is left must really have hurt. Korean have A330s and have ordered A380s. Air Canada was in bed with Airbus. Northwest is the biggest customer for A330s.

I guess what I'm trying to understand is how 'bad' it already is for Airbus. Northwest, Air Canada and, probably, Korean were real possibilities. The two Japanese airlines were effectively impossibilities. The A350's turn for a big China order may yet come. The other (33) orders lie somewhere in between.

It's certainly not 'good' and the Air India loss must go down as another real possibility but a string of orders from Iberia (good point, Beaucaire), EK, EY and QR could put them back in the game.

(It's just that none of those orders have yet happened...)

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:04 pm

RR has yet to offer an engine for A350. They are working closely with Airbus now to get a suitable engine. As of now, the GEnx is the only engine for this airplane and likely if EK wants the A350 delivered early 2010, their best bet is to go with GEnx because GE has certification with A350 planned for late 2009.

RR's modified Trent engine might take a little more to get testing and certification done. It is possible that they could do a rush job, but I think it looks unlikely. EK has used GE engines historically anyways. They have GP7200 (PrattWhitt and GE alliance) engines on all their A380.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:05 pm

Congrats to Airbus if this is true. It is a big win. It is always harder to start a new program directly in the face of competition.

EK likes BIG planes and they consistently said that the 787 was too small so this doesn't come as a total surprise. Boeing obviously did not or could not meet their needs in stretching the 787. To dispell the notion that the 787 is a better plane, the key for Airbus now is if they can beat Boeing directly on a head-on competition. Qatar will be a big test.

Airbus has the advantage of changing their plane around a little and working the margins. The 787 is pretty much set and is a good target to beat. However, Airbus will have to show they can get wider acceptance.

I think this order almost guarantees the A350 will be reality. The next test is profitability.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:07 pm

People,

I know Emirates isn't paying with oil-money, I was just expressing some common nonsense that floats around A.net frequently.

What I was trying to say is that there are a lot of A.netters who think the A350 doesn't stand a chance and consider the potential orders of the new Middle East airlines as not significant.

I agree with PM that the current situation of the A350 isn't that good. However, I do think the boys and girls of Airbus have something up their sleeves.

This race isn't over yet. There are a lot of airlines who haven't decided on the A350/B787 yet. If an airline like Iberia signs up for the A350, a really important signal will be given off by both Airbus and Iberia.

I won't write the A350 off yet.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:13 pm

Hope they get more customers than this. The 350 is starting to look like Airbus's version of Boeing's 767-400.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:16 pm

The European Market is still pretty much open, the battle has mainly been playing in Asia and the (Boeing minded) North America. Airbus has its stronghold in Europe and the middle East. Though I don't really think Airbus has been focussing that much on A350 sales, they rather sell 1 A380 instead of 2 A350's.

Besides all the charter airlines (Onur Air A300, Hapag-Lloyd A310, Martinair 767) there are also still LH, BA, Malev, AZ, IB, TAP who could be potential 787/350 customers. If BA goes for the A350 the playfield is all open again.

I am waiting to see some final version of the A350, the final Boeing design of the 787 looks much more standardized than the it looked in earlier stages. So far the only big difference between both aircraft is composite vs carbon fibre.
 
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 42):
I know Emirates isn't paying with oil-money, I was just expressing some common nonsense that floats around A.net frequently.

I know, I was just using your comment to try and dispell that notion.  tongue 

Quoting MrComet (Reply 41):
I think this order almost guarantees the A350 will be reality. The next test is profitability.

Hit the nail on the head with that one MrComet!

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 42):
What I was trying to say is that there are a lot of A.netters who think the A350 doesn't stand a chance and consider the potential orders of the new Middle East airlines as not significant.

Yeah, very true. These are going to be the world's next BIG airlines and when they start buying planes, you can expect big deals.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting OO-VEG (Reply 44):
If BA goes for the A350 the playfield is all open again.

Ooh, that's probably never going to happen... Would be nice though.

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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:25 pm

I'll bet they're celebrating in Chicago/Seattle. A large order for the 350 from the likes of EK will surely lock-in the 350 in its current form. And regardless of any tweaking Airbus does, it will remain a "warmed over" 330.
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 46):
Ooh, that's probably never going to happen... Would be nice though.

Yeah, thats about as likely as me buying a Maybach!

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 47):
I'll bet they're celebrating in Chicago/Seattle. A large order for the 350 from the likes of EK will surely lock-in the 350 in its current form. And regardless of any tweaking Airbus does, it will remain a "warmed over" 330.

I think Boeing will be open to the competition of the A350. After all, it gives them a chance to prove that the 787 is more than just a hype!

I want to address this now, before the soccer starts - If the A350 has two engines, wings and a tail is it always going to be considered a "warmed over" version of the A330? If so... do you mind me calling the 787 a "warmed over" 767?
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RE: EK Will Go For Airbus A350

Sun May 08, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 48):
I want to address this now, before the soccer starts - If the A350 has two engines, wings and a tail is it always going to be considered a "warmed over" version of the A330? If so... do you mind me calling the 787 a "warmed over" 767?

Sure, you can call the 787 a "warmed over 767". Won't bother me. But it's hardly an accurate moniker. The 787 was, after all, designed from scratch and, with the exception of some of its flight deck avionics, is new from tip to tail.

Can't say the same about the 350, which will retain more of the old rather than incorporate more of the new.

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