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DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 6:48 pm

I was wondering what the current status of all the Delta Tristars is? are there any left, i know one was used for the show lost and one used as a flying hospital but what about the others. the faa registry lists ship 728 as destroyed but the last i heard DL still had all the tristars in their posession and they could not sell them or somthing like that. if anyone can tell me the current status of these Tristars id appreciate it alot.

if this has been discussed before please tell me

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 6:54 pm

DL has retired all of their L-1011s. Most have been scrapped by now, but a few are still parked in the desert. Yes, the scrapped hull of a DL TriStar was (is?) used as part of the backdrop for the current TV show 'Lost'.
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 6:56 pm

how many tristars are left , i heard it was unprofitable to scrap them. are they by any chance for sale?
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 7:09 pm

Two former DL Tristar's have gone to Thai carrier, Thai Sky! They operate from BKK to HKG and are soon going to expand to other Asian cities!

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 7:30 pm

DL loved the TriStar, it turned out to be a great airplane for them, they had the worlds largest fleet of L-1011s at one time. Sadly, DL-191(H), a L-1011, was lost at DFW in August 1985 in a windsheer accident. A few former DL L-1011-500s are still flying with TZ as military charters. It's good to see a few others have found homes.
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 7:37 pm

are any still parked pending sale or scrap?
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Sun May 08, 2005 7:45 pm

A large number of them are still stored at VCV. If you look at this photo,

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there were still 27 Tristars left as of January 31st, and given that not to many planes are being scrapped, it should still be over 20 of at VCV as of today.
Delta also used to have alot of L-1011s stored at MHV, but I believe those have all been scrapped or sold.
And as an add-on info, over the years, Delta operated a total of 78 different L-1011s, out of 250 produced, with the highest one-time number being 51, IIRC.
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 8:04 pm

This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 10:05 pm

are any still parked pending sale or scrap?
As old as they are and with limited support, most will be scrapped.....
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Sun May 08, 2005 11:09 pm

Some of the older birds have been scrapped. Many are still sitting in VCV awaiting their fate, since many Third World airlines can only afford older airplanes, even though they are fuel guzzlers and maintenance nightmares in their later years. Although they are old, most were kept in as immaculate condition as possible, so they still have a few years life in them. And a few have gone on to live again. A website to look into to see some pics of revived L-10's, as well as the "Lost" movie plane was created by a DL flight attendant and her husband. It also talks of the DC-3 "Ship 41" and DL 727's. The website is:


http://www.l1011.homestead.com/


And the last I heard, Ship 728, the "Delta Belle" is still in one piece. She was donated to the Flying Hospital, a nice thing to do, but for spare parts, meaning she will be cannibalized. But the last I heard from my people, she is still in one piece and has not needed to be used. She is probably wherever the Flying Hospital is located, somewhere in AZ, I think.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 9):
Ship 728, the "Delta Belle" is still in one piece

I would love to know if that is true.... I was lucky enough to be one of the employee's to take the "Belle" to the desert, so i have a huge bond with that Star. I wish somebody could get a recent picture of the "Belle" where ever she is....

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting COAMiG29 (Reply 2):
how many tristars are left , i heard it was unprofitable to scrap them. are they by any chance for sale?

Unprofitable? Of course DL is not getting back what they paid for them, but they still get some money selling them to a scrapper. Many are being used for spares as Lockheed is not exactly producing L1011 spares in droves, though the engines are still readily available as Rolls still produces the RB211. The best examples are often sold, which is why DL actually keeps them in decent shape down in VCV.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting COAMiG29 (Thread starter):
LONG LIVE THE L-1011

First of all, let me say this is not meant to agitate anyone, this is truly a question purely based on curiosity, so here goes -

Why do so many people love the L-1011 so much?

I don't get it, I flew on one once - a DL sometime in the mid 90's, it was OK I guess, but I wasn't enamored with it. I do remember it had the same funny, oily smell coming from the AC system that all military Lockheed planes have also. I don't find it particularly attractive looking, though it does have a certain uniqueness that is kind of cool. At 250 produced, it wasn't overly successful - so why the fascination with this plane? The L-1011 has a definite cult following, for lack of a better word.

Just curios - nothing beyond that.
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 8:21 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
Why do so many people love the L-1011 so much?

Many reasons, see below

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
I don't find it particularly attractive looking,

You are in the minority as most find it one of the most beautiful designs ever to fly

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
The L-1011 has a definite cult following, for lack of a better word.

Actually, it is not so much a cult following. Those old enough to have flown the L1011, especially people who are not airplane nuts, have praised the L1011 for its smoothness and stability in the air, its amazing safety record and its comfort (a great deal of space was built into it by Lockheed, something MDC did not do as much of with the DC-10). I am lucky enough to have flown the L10 on several occassions and can totally attest to all of those things.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 8:29 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
Why do so many people love the L-1011 so much?

There is nothing like hearing an L-1011 spin up all three Rolls-Royce's on takeoff... It was just the most comforting humming noise... Thats what did it for me... I absolutely hated working the "Star's", but would plan a trip around flying on one....



Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
I don't find it particularly attractive looking

that's where you are wrong the L-1011 is simply beautiful!
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 8:33 am

Thai Sky L-1011 HS-AXA was actually DL L1011 N722DA
 
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Mon May 09, 2005 8:34 am

Some of us are also lucky enough to work them on a regular basis.  Silly

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
A few former DL L-1011-500s are still flying with TZ as military charters.

ATA's four -500's are all ex-Royal Jordanian, not DL. We used to have some ex-DL -50's (converted from -1) but they're all retired.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 8:35 am

Quoting N160LH (Reply 14):
that's where you are wrong the L-1011 is simply beautiful!

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I said "I" don't find it particularly attractive.  Smile
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 9:03 am

Having grown up in Atlanta you came to the conclusion that if you wanted to go anywhere interesting an L-1011 was in your future. I have logged many hours in the back of various Tri-Stars. As we used to say, if you want to leave Atlanta you have 2 choices; fly Delta or walk!
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
Why do so many people love the L-1011 so much?

The sound. The checkerboard ceiling. The performance. The sculpted lines of the tail engine. The perfect balance it seemed to feel inflight.

While I grew to like the DC-10 after flying it numerous times on the DEN-LGW route, it just never had the same overall feel to it as the Tristar.

For the longest time, I'd spent more time and logged far more miles on a TWA L-1011 to more destinations than any other single aircraft type. All of them enjoyable moments.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 9:37 am

Best flight I've ever had was on a TW L1011 STL-MCO.....
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 10:24 am

There is one ex-DL L-1011 (N781DL) parked @ MGE. It was involved in an inflight incident back in 1995, where the a/c suffered a major structural issue:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001207X04273&key=1

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 10:43 am

The L-1011 was simply the greatest airplane ever. I had the pleasure of flying on Delta's L-1011's 9 times and I loved every flight. I will miss the spacious cabin of the L-1011, as well as the smokey startups, sound of the RB-211's, and smooth flights. I will really miss these birds.

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 10:54 am

What are the numerous prop planes on the tarmac in that marietta image? I assume they're C130's, but I see a couple that look like P3 orions... is marietta a naval air station or an air force base or what?

And to go back on topic, the L1011 was one of the first planes I flew on my way from Miami to Atlanta to maine when I was a child, I particularly remember the spaciousness of the cabin....
 
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Mon May 09, 2005 10:55 am

I remember flying on Delta L-1011... DL is a huge fan of L-1011s.


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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 10:57 am

Marietta is Lockheed's assembly site in Georgia.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 11:11 am

Unfortunantely i never got to fly one, i know ATA still has some but they are militry charter, after the war in iraq will these return to commerical? if so when can i book a flight on one? i want to fly the L-1011 no matter what it takes

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 11:50 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Unprofitable? Of course DL is not getting back what they paid for them, but they still get some money selling them to a scrapper. Many are being used for spares as Lockheed is not exactly producing L1011 spares in droves

That is actually incorrect. There are too many spares available and they're worth nothing!
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 11:59 am

Wasn't a DL L-1011 used in the movie SWAT?


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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 1:55 pm

When I worked ground crew for TZ at RSW in 1999, the L-1011 used to come in on the weekends. When we would push back, and the number 3 would start up, it produced the most awesome low frequency thrumming sound. I could feel the air trying to be pushed out of my chest. It was (and still is) the coolest civilian aircraft encounters I have experienced. That's why the L-1011 is one of my personal favorites... Too bad they are few and far between. I sure do miss 'em.
 
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Mon May 09, 2005 2:04 pm

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 28):
Wasn't a DL L-1011 used in the movie SWAT?



Sure was.....................
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 5:06 pm

I have to say this post is like a breath of fresh air... I have so many good memories of working/flying on Mother Delta that have been so hard to think of recently. It nice to read/write about my favorite airplane and my favorite airline, and not hear to much about the current event that are going on. I truly miss the L-10 and the airline Delta was when we still operated them! Good memories

Thanks for a good thread!

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 10:25 pm

as i said before, is it ever going to be possible in the near future to fly on a L-1011 and if so with who and where to? id also like to speculate about this, would DL ever return the L-1011 to active service considering how good it was to them, the fact that they are paid, and spares are available, and furthermore i hear they are kept in good condition so would that ever be a possibility?
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 11:13 pm

If you want to fly a Tristar, you should head to Bangkok! Between
Orient Thai, Fly Thai, Thai 1-2-3 you can capture the glistening
Lockheeds once again. There are still a few flying charters in Europe
for Euro Atlantic or Star or YES and the odd one or two still floating
around Africa.

Wouldn't it be great if Delta added one of the L-1011s to their museum
fleet. Tell me there arent a few thousand A.netters or aviation fans
who would pay to fly for an hour in paradise!!
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Mon May 09, 2005 11:14 pm

Quoting COAMiG29 (Reply 32):
id also like to speculate about this, would DL ever return the L-1011 to active service considering how good it was to them, the fact that they are paid, and spares are available, and furthermore i hear they are kept in good condition so would that ever be a possibility?

Only fuel cost approximately 50% less, but with fuel prices on the current level, no chance.
Personally, I got to fly the L-1011 multiple times, especially the L-1011-500 on international flights, to and from Frankfurt and Brussels especially, and also on ATL-LAX and back. A silent plane compared to the DC-10, wide fuselage with lots of space, those 3 engines with the sleek middle engine. Brings back alot of great memories, including a fuel spill at FRA in winter 1996.
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Tue May 10, 2005 12:29 am

Yet another 3 hole aircraft I would have loved to fly on.. Long live the L-1011, the DC-10 and MD-11


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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Tue May 10, 2005 4:42 am

I'm very partial to the 1011. It's what put food on our table for many years while I was growing up. My dad worked for Lockheed for over 30 years at Burbank, Palmdale, and Ontario as a contracts administrator. During the time he was assigned to the 1011 program, he negotiated with Delta, Cathay Pacific, Court Line, and Saudia.

Excellent aircraft, well loved by all who worked with her.

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Tue May 10, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 23):
What are the numerous prop planes on the tarmac in that marietta image? I assume they're C130's, but I see a couple that look like P3 orions... is marietta a naval air station or an air force base or what?

The four C-130s parked next to the L-1011 are among the eight Libya ordered in the 1970s, but the a/c were blocked from being delivered to them by the US gov't. If you pan up on the map, you'll see the other four C-130s.

NAS Atlanta and Dobbins ARB are the main tenants of the facility. The Lockheed plant dates back to WWII, where Bell Aircraft built B-29s at.

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Tue May 10, 2005 5:45 am

OK. thanks for all the info if you want to post your stories of L-1011 flights please feel free. if anyone can tell me where to book a flight id love to know

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Tue May 10, 2005 1:47 pm

Quoting COAMiG29 (Reply 38):

You're in luck! Our scheduled LAX-CUN roundtrip is an L15 beginning June 18 on Saturdays and Sundays for the summer months....last and only chance to fly an L-1011 in the western hemisphere unless you are a soldier of course.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Tue May 10, 2005 10:30 pm

what airline are you refering to, ATA?

thanks alot for that info by the way
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Tue May 10, 2005 10:43 pm

Quoting COAMiG29 (Reply 40):
what airline are you refering to, ATA?

He's indeed referring to ATA, and first flight seems actually to be on the 11th ...
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 1:45 am

is it only lax>cun or are there other available options, im out of dfw.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 6:58 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
I don't find it particularly attractive looking, though it does have a certain uniqueness that is kind of cool.

I would say it is that uniqueness that others find as attractiveness. Granted, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think many people find it attractive by the aerodynamic look of the plane, the dolphin shaped nose of the airplane, and the smooth, intricate design of the "S" shaped number 2 engine outlet.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
. At 250 produced, it wasn't overly successful - so why the fascination with this plane? The L-1011 has a definite cult following, for lack of a better word.

With only 250 produced, it sort of became an underdog of the industry, but over time, rose to be one of the safest and most profitable airliners ever built. We all love the "underdog coming from behind" stories, and the L-10 is certainly in that category. She was designed by Lockheed with features that were ahead of her time. And Lockheed was in a race with Douglas to produce a tri-jet for medium-long haul flights. Both planes seemed equally matched, even though both had some features that defeated the other. But after Lockheed had secured orders, Rolls Royce went BK, and so did the hopes of the L-10's engines, which were counted on for the RR powerplants. By the time everything got straightened out, many airlines had defected and chose Douglas. But, the DC-10 suffered its own tragic setback after the American Airlines Flight 191 crash in ORD. So, in all, neither airplane was financially successful, although they are still flying over 30 years later. This was a setback for Lockheed that almost put them in bankruptcy, and afterwards, they chose to head out of the civilian market and to focus only on military aircraft from that point on.

That being said, a lot of people respect the aircraft for her tremendous safety record. Of course, no aircraft will ever be perfectly safe, but over the L-1011's life, there have been very few crashes, and none that I know of, of mechanical faults, which lend credibility to the aircraft's fabulous build and manufacturing. There have been crashes due to weather problems(wind shear for DL 191/DFW) and pilot error(EA401/Saudi L10 in RUH), and even one electrical fire that burned a TWA L10 on the ground in Mexico. Other than that, I am not aware of any L-1011 crash where mechanical failure was involved.

Personally, as others have said, the TriStar is a beauty to be with when she starts up. If you are ever standing anywhere on the ramp at an airport, you can always tell when a Tristar starts up. There isn't really much of a way to describe it, but the sound and vibrations that you hear are just so different than any other airplane out there.

As for me, I am one of those cult followers of the L-10. Beautiful airplane, smooth ride, non-rev special as we used to call(always a seat for a nonrev), large lower galley and elevator, and systems that, although ancient by today's standards, were before their time back then(in the 70's). She was the largest seating plane in the Delta system(302 pax) and was also the backbone of the Delta International Fleet for many years, gaining the name "Queen of the Fleet."

Later in life, they started to demand more mechanical attention more often while on the line, which started to bring up humorous nicknames for them, such as the L-1011 TriTanic, and that Lockheed named the plane -1011 to stand for Late 10 out of 11 times. Overrall, they were beautiful, sturdy airplanes that served their owners well for many years. It would be nice to still see large fleets of them flying around the world.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 10:49 am

is the LAX>CUN the only flights ata is offering, im out of dfw, the lax is not a problem but the international ticket price is pretty close to breaking my budget without even beginning to look at hotel prices. if i do go ill prb go sat and return sun and stay in a cheap $12 hotel

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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 11:47 am

I believe EASTERN was the launch customer of the L1011,
they used to have a large fleet. Eastern was also the launch
customer of the A300 and B757. Can't believe it's 14 years.
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 10:13 pm

so the flights are on sat and sun beginning on june 18, how long do they go? till what date
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 10:27 pm

There is a Ex Delta L-10-11 parked at Atlantic City International (It looks like it is in one piece) Also United sp "Friendship one is there also."

I had a chance to fly on flight 1949 (I think that was the number) MCO-ATL which was the last "Revenue flight." Fot Delta's L-10-11
 
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 10:36 pm

Quoting KC135R (Reply 12):
though it does have a certain uniqueness that is kind of cool.

I guess you have answered your own question to a degree. But, the L1011 had many technology firsts as well. It is a beautifull, reliable old gas hog of a workhorse that is built like a brick sh*thouse.
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RE: DL L-1011 Question

Wed May 11, 2005 10:54 pm

One of the most terrifying landings I've ever experienced was on a Rich International flight SFO-OGG which landed something like 30 degrees off the centerline....

This particular aircraft had the external cameras operational.

What airline would have used those originally? ANA?

Anyway, we flopped around like a piece of paper in the wind, the camera was pointed straight for the terminal building off to the left, (slights gasps could be heard throughout the cabin) the view beyond the right side windows alternated between the gray nothingness of above, and the prickly green of pineapple groves below....everything but the normal sight of Haleakala off in the near distance reaching for the sky.
But before we were allowed to be consumed by fear, we made contact with the terra firma without so much as a bump....just a slight screeching sound of rubber finding it's grip, to which all 330 on board erupted in rapturous applause...(yeah...330 - tight fit)

Those cameras added a frightening component of perspective to a landing when compared to those aircraft without the additional view....

My first and last ride on the TriStar..(except for the uneventful return OGG-HNL-SFO)

Still, flying the L-1011 felt like a rock. As in Solid. (I was in Dallas the day 191 crashed...sitting in traffic wondering what the hell was going on.... that day the winds blew straight from hell....)
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