ERJ145LR
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Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 5:44 am

Hey all,
I have two questions about NWA and DCA.
1. Do they fly any 757-300's into DCA, I keep thinking I am seeing them on pproach along the Potomac. I coluld be wrong they very well may be -200's...anyone know/ If they are -300's where are they flying?

2. I saw a BAE-200 landing at DCA yesterday it was a NWA airlink one, Was that a diversions or have they started flying em' into DCA? From where?


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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 5:56 am

Northwest has started non-stops from GRR to DCA with the Avro RJ-85 as of May 2. This may have been the plane you saw.

It arrives at DCA at 9:59 AM and departs 6:25 PM.
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ERJ145LR
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 7:08 am

Yea thats definatly what and when i saw it

Any idea bout the 757-300's?
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 7:56 am

I believe the -300 can not land due to safety reasons. There is a length limit on airplanes into Washington DCA due to fire safety.

I think the limit is between the -200 and -300.

Maybe I am wrong but who knows...
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting CaptSkibi (Reply 1):
It arrives at DCA at 9:59 AM and departs 6:25 PM.

That's quite a waste of an aircraft - does it really stay at DCA from 10AM until 6PM?

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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 4):

Nope. It departs for DTW at 10:59a. The evening flight comes from MSP and arrives DCA at 5:52p based on June schedules in Worldspan.
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 10:29 am

No 757-300's into DCA. The RJ-85 is from LAN and MSP.

NW also owns the most slots at DCA, though most of them are leased to US Airways. NW used to have a DCA hub.
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 10:47 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
NW used to have a DCA hub

never, really. More likely focus city. NW acquired DCA slots from EA but that did not build DCA as a hub for NW.

[Edited 2005-05-09 03:56:39]
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting September11 (Reply 7):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
NW used to have a DCA hub

never, really. More likely focus city. NW acquired DCA slots from EA but that did not build DCA as a hub for NW.

Wanna tell me why NW called it a hub, and they even had DCA hub pins?
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 12:22 pm

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 3):
I believe the -300 can not land due to safety reasons. There is a length limit on airplanes into Washington DCA due to fire safety.

The A300-600R and 767-300 are approved for landing at DCA. ATA has flown the 753 there if I'm not mistaken.

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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 12:53 pm

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 6):
NW also owns the most slots at DCA, though most of them are leased to US Airways.

What are you talking about? NW owns about 80 slots at DCA, and leases 20 of them to US. US owns about 330 slots of its own. Both AA and DL also own more DCA slots than NW.
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 1:00 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
The A300-600R and 767-300 are approved for landing at DCA. ATA has flown the 753 there if I'm not mistaken.

There was also a UA DC-10 that used to come into DCA.

But of course, that was an Emergency Landing....  Wink
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 1:02 pm

Quoting ERJ145LR (Thread starter):
2. I saw a BAE-200 landing at DCA yesterday it was a NWA airlink one, Was that a diversions or have they started flying em' into DCA? From where?

What's a BAe 200? It's BAe 146-200, and Mesaba operates Avro RJ-85's.

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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 2:24 pm

My question is why did'nt NW move over to the new terminal building and abandon the retro terminal 1?
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Mon May 09, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 13):
My question is why did'nt NW move over to the new terminal building and abandon the retro terminal 1?

Good question. IIRC, the old terminal was named some type of national monument and the destruction of the building was prohibited. Thus, NW got the shaft and remained in the land of the "Eight Gate Cafe" while CO and others moved on to greener pastures.
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 12:06 am

The avro only serves GRR not LAN from DCA. The a/c is bridged into DCA from MSP and out to DTW. The a/c is routed MSP-DCA-GRR overnight GRR-DCA-DTW.

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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8):
Wanna tell me why NW called it a hub, and they even had DCA hub pins?

In the late 80s NWA established a mini-hub (now defined as a "focus city") at DCA and the pins reflected that designation. The mini-hub was quickly dissolved with the recession in 1990/91 much like the first MKE mini-hub.
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 1:25 am

DCA never had single B757-300. Not from ATA, not from NW and not from CO.
As some people have already said, NW is operating Avro twice daily on flights to LAN.

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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 1:39 am

No!!!! The Avro operates GRR-DCA
LAN-DCA begins in June, when IAD-DCA ends and will be operated with a CRJ

NW May DCA Schedule:

DTW: 9 daily (1x ARJ, 1x D9S, 2x 319, 1x 320, 4x 752)
MSP: 7 daily (2x 319, 4x A320, 1x 752)
MEM: 3 daily (2x 319, 1x 320)
MKE: 3 daily (3x CRJ)
IND: 3 daily (2x CRJ, 1x D9S)
GRR: 1 daily (1x ARJ)
DSM: 1 daily (1x CRJ)

LAN: 1 daily (CRJ) begins June 9th
MSN: 1 daily (CRJ) begins June 9th
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 1:43 am

Good god people... do some research and figure out who's blowing smoke up your butts!! THERE IS NO TWICE DAILY AVRO SERVICE FROM LANSING TO DCA!!!!!!

This is the avro DCA schedule for those who are too lazy to find it for themselves and go on a fact finding mission.

NW #3496 GRR-DCA 814-959 x Su
NW #3508 DCA-DTW 1103-1235 x Su

NW #3662 MSP-DCA 1420-1737 x Sa
NW #3497 DCA-GRR 1825-2035 x Sa

The following is the LAN-DCA schedule OPERATED BY PINNACLE CRJ eff 6/9

NW #4738 DCA-LAN 2040-2241 x Sa
NW #4739 LAN-DCA 700-841 x Su

The current LAN-Washington schedule is operated by Pinnacle as well, however there are two flights servicing IAD.


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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 2:05 am

So the LAN-DCA route is flown with an AVRO, I'm glad we cleared that up.
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting N867BX (Reply 20):
So the LAN-DCA route is flown with an AVRO, I'm glad we cleared that up.

Yes, and it sits in DCA all day and does nothing!
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 2:12 am

Anybody know if Delta has been sending a 767 into DCA now and then? I feel like I at least see Delta 757s fairly often.
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting Alphascan (Reply 16):
In the late 80s NWA established a mini-hub (now defined as a "focus city") at DCA and the pins reflected that designation. The mini-hub was quickly dissolved with the recession in 1990/91 much like the first MKE mini-hub.

This is correct, but the dates are off. Northwest started the DCA mini-hub after acquiring slots and gates from Eastern in January 1991. Northwest then built up DCA in April 1991 as follows (it became NW's 4th largest station):

Detroit - 7 nonstops (already existed)
Minneapolis - 6 nonstops (already existed)
Memphis - 4 nonstops (already existed)
Milwaukee - 2 nonstops (already existed)
Boston - 9 nonstops (2 new, 7 already existed)
Newark - 7 nonstops
Atlanta - 4 nonstops
Hartford - 3 nonstops
Orlando - 3 nonstops
Miami - 2 nonstops
Tampa - 2 nonstops
Ft. Lauderdale - 2 nonstops
West Palm Beach - 1 nonstop

As was mentioned, financial difficulty and a near-bankruptcy filing caused Northwest to abondon the DCA mini-hub.
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 2:55 am

Coronado and N867BX - are you two kidding around or are you really just that stupid?



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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 24):
Coronado and N867BX - are you two kidding around or are you really just that stupid?

I am sure N867BX is just joking around and you can read my reply #5 for an "honest" answer.

[Edited 2005-05-09 19:58:41]
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 3:07 am

Hahaha... sometimes it's hard to tell when people are being serious or just being seriously dumb. =)



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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 4:46 am

At the risk of going way off topic for this thread...

Quoting Alphascan (Reply 16):

In the late 80s NWA established a mini-hub (now defined as a "focus city")

This has always bugged me. Aren't focus cities just places where you fly point-to-point for O&D, without any intention of having connections? And aren't mini-hubs places where you don't have as many flights as a hub, but what you do have is banked and you intend there to be lots of connections?

Let's say an airline puts 200 daily departures from JFK, all departing to the south and west on legs of over 600 miles, with little possibility for reasonable connections. Then they have four flights a day to ISP: flight 1 arrives from BOS at 9am and departs for MCO at 9:30; flight 2 arrives from PWM at 9:02am and departs for FLL at 9:32; flight 3 arrives from MCO at 5:00pm and departs for BOS at 5:30pm; flight 4 arrives from FLL at 5:02pm and departs for PWM at 5:32. Doesn't it seem like you want different names to describe the completely different kinds of service they have at these two places?

Think about Piedmont in the mid 80s comparing DAY with GSO or RDU. Completely different types of station, but would you give them all the same label? Just because they have a lot of flights there? How about EA earlier with CLT (when they flew banks of CAE/GSP/CHS/etc. opposite PHL/BOS/LGA/DCA/etc.) vs. the NY airports or DCA, which had tons of point-to-point flights?

Back to the quote:

Quoting Alphascan (Reply 16):

In the late 80s NWA established a mini-hub (now defined as a "focus city")

when we say "defined," is that official? Who owns and updates these official definitions? Is this an IATA or ICAO definition, an airline definition (and if the latter, common to all?)?
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
Anybody know if Delta has been sending a 767 into DCA now and then?

Don't think So
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 18):
when IAD-DCA ends

What IAD-DCA? There is no IAD-DCA
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 6:06 am

Actually NWA does fly daily non stop service from DTW-DCA. There is 1 flight daily DTW-DCA and vice versa. I just booked my flight to DCA from DTW, and noticed the flight schedules included daily service on a 757. Although I do wonder how full those 757's will be. Oh by the way to answer many other questions as well its a 757-200. However I do believe that the 757 service started this year as most flights from DTW to DCA were operated by A319/A320's in the past.

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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 13):
My question is why didn't NW move over to the new terminal building and abandon the retro terminal 1?

When the new Terminal B/C opened in 1997, there was not enough space to accommodate moving every airline over to the new building from the old Terminal A and the temporary Interim Terminal at the north end of DCA (which is now primarily office space for MWAA).

Terminal A has been made a historic landmark, and is currently undergoing a long and (painfully) slow renovation. When complete, Terminal A will be restored to its original 1940's design and decor, and will return to full use, with new gates, ticketing/service counters, and concessions. However, I don't know if the plan is for the airlines over in the 1960's-era pier (Northwest, AirTran, ATA, Midwest, and Spirit) will be moved over to the new/restored gates. Does anyone have any news about that?
 
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RE: Northwest And DCA

Tue May 10, 2005 8:54 am

Does/has US operate(d) 75's to DCA?
When they did and don't now when did they stop. If they did or still do how many and when do they come in?
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