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RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Mon May 09, 2005 9:21 pm

Here's the article.. Triangle Business Journal

Basically, what it says is what everybody already knows..

RDU is beginning round table discussions with the airlines to add these services.

RDU is looking for flights to LA, Bay area, Denver, Paris, and Frankfurt..

According to the study, the LA-RDU route has about 376,000 annual passengers. The likely candidates for this service: AA or WN.

Bay-RDU has about 255,000 annual passengers. The likely candidates for this service: WN (OAK), AA (SJC), UA (SFO).

DEN-RDU has about 168,000 annual passengers. The likely candidates for this service: UA or F9. It was also noted "United Express operated a direct flight between the two locations using a regional jet for several months before discontinuing it in late fall 2004. The airline decided to scuttle the flight because the regional jet wasn't large enough to be cost efficient, Damiano says."

A possible candidate which got left out was B6, which could possibly do a non-stop to each of those areas from RDU by doing a 1 daily A320 RDU-LGB/OAK/DEN, a 4 daily E90 RDU-JFK, and a 3 daily E90 RDU-BOS. RDU is currently holding 3 gates for a new carrier entrance. Seems like a good mold, but who knows.

Other obvious news.. New York is the top market, with a million people traveling between RDU and the airports in that area each year. Atlanta is the No. 2 market, with 662,000 passengers a year. Boston, Chicago and Washington, D.C., each have about 500,000 passengers traveling between them and RDU each year.
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Mon May 09, 2005 10:37 pm

No surprises here...so which airline with no money is going to take the plunge at RDU?
 
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Mon May 09, 2005 11:03 pm

I would think frontier or United would go back after the RDU market. For Frontier it would be about having enough planes for the market. A major plus for the Denver routing, is that they can offer a pretty good midpoing for connections through to the west coast as well. 2 A319's a day would be nice. As for United, they have seemingly given up on providing mainline service into RDU, but perhaps they may consider a TED route starting around the skiing season.
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Mon May 09, 2005 11:04 pm

RDU would be best to thank its stars that it has service to LGW. Diluting the European market is not a good idea, just look at the experience of PHX - a market a fair bit larger than RDU.

I could see LH entertaining a BBJ Privatair service for the pharma traffic, but other than that - ain't going to happen.
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Mon May 09, 2005 11:18 pm

RDU-CDG ? Whyyyyy ?? Where's the market ? Admittedly it would be useful for me personally, as my brother is moving to RDU shortly, and if AA want to lay on a 777 just for my use, I'll be happy as Larry, but I can't see it happening myself.
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Mon May 09, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Thread starter):
RDU is looking for flights to LA, Bay area, Denver, Paris, and Frankfurt..

I will be honestly impressed if they pull off teh CDG or FRA routes. Here in IND we have a market rapidly approaching 2 million and O/D of 8 million and we have yet to land a route like that. If RDU can land one of those two routes that would be a big win for them.

I go back and re-read the post and I don't see where they bring up CDG or FRA.

[Edited 2005-05-09 16:50:36]
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Mon May 09, 2005 11:58 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
I go back and re-read the post and I don't see where they bring up CDG or FRA.

The air service study also looked at possible international destinations, with Frankfurt, Germany, emerging as the top target. The study forecasts that about 270 people would travel between RDU and Frankfurt each way per day. The international projections aren't based solely on historical data as are the domestic travel projections.

Another European option could be Paris. The study projected a nonstop flight to the City of Lights would draw 150 passengers each way per day. American Airlines previously operated a flight to Paris but discontinued that service in the 1990s.


Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 3):
I could see LH entertaining a BBJ Privatair service for the pharma traffic, but other than that - ain't going to happen.

That sounds like a good idea to me. LH do the BBJ to FRA and AF do a ABJ to CDG.. wonder how much those flights would cost? Also, do the BBJ/ABJ have normal seating, bed seats, luxury couchs? How many seats do they offer.. just wondering.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 2):
As for United, they have seemingly given up on providing mainline service into RDU,

My thinking exactly.. RDU has 2 or 3 hopes to DEN.. F9, AA, DL.. perhaps if they do right, they can ask US.. As for LA, there are 5 hopes.. AA, DL, WN, B6, HP.. only time will tell.
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Tue May 10, 2005 12:06 am

Crap. I didn't see the page 1, 2 thing at the bottom of the story. Sorry bout that.  Smile
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Tue May 10, 2005 4:32 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
Here in IND we have a market rapidly approaching 2 million and O/D of 8 million and we have yet to land a route like that. If RDU can land one of those two routes that would be a big win for them.

Well, to be fair to RDU, it does have higher O&D than IND. That's not to say I think they'll get either of these flights. US Airways couldn't make CDG work from CLT or PIT and they had tons of feed at those airports. I don't see why LAX, SAN/SJC, and DEN can't work though. Just look at the numbers in the article. LAX is the airport with the largest O&D that RDU doesn't have service to. And, as far as I can tell RDU is the airport with the most O&D that LAX doesn't have service to (excluding LGA, which is perimeter restricted).
 
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Tue May 10, 2005 4:41 am

You know ... i would have never expected SLC and LGW for RDU... so i wish them good luck with the rest...

ps didnt UA already try DEN-RDU awhile back? I don't see too much chance of that happening seeing as DEN-CLT has CR7s on it, and CLT is a star alliance hub...

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Tue May 10, 2005 4:51 am

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 9):
ps didnt UA already try DEN-RDU awhile back? I don't see too much chance of that happening seeing as DEN-CLT has CR7s on it, and CLT is a star alliance hub...

UAX did try DEN-RDU with CR7 service 2x daily.. but you are right, it did not work...

First, the flights were always oversold.. Second, the flights were always weight restricted.. Third, the flights were too long to be on a CR7. Fourth, the flights were delayed more than they were scheduled. Fifth, US already has 3 daily flights (319/320) and UA has 3 daily flights (733/319/CR7). I think that is a plenty.. All RDU need is 2 daily on something larger than a CR7 that won't be weight restricted and delayed every day.
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Tue May 10, 2005 4:56 am

The only route of all of these that AA would possibly jump at would be RDU-LAX, probably with a daily 738. Even this, however, is doubtful as AA can serve the market pretty well with connections over DFW. RDU's best chance for any nonstop service to the West Coast is obviously WN, who could definitely have success with flights to PHX, LAX, LAS, OAK, etc.

In addition, I think RDU's hopes of any more service to Europe are pretty optimistic. AA RDU-LGW has that market covered very well, as most European traffic to and from RDU is to London, and service to CDG or FRA would just be too thin and too light. If anything, I think the LH BBJ idea to FRA would probably work, but even that would be a stretch.
 
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Tue May 10, 2005 5:50 am

I can't see RDU getting anymore European traffic but I with them good luck.

I appreciate RDU maybe quite a major city in the US but over in Europe I doubt the majority of people have even heard of the city let alone know what it's famous for or why it's worth visiting.

It's a bot like comparing Raleigh in the US with Sheffield or Hull two major cities in the UK but not all that well known to people from outside the country.

I have always been surprised that RDU as been able to host a daily service to LGW let alone them using a 777. But from what I understand this flight is heavily subsidised or utilised by a well known medical company. For people living in the Raleigh area they should be able to take advantage of this serivce to Europe and connect at LGW onto BA services to Europe through the One World Alliance that AA is a member of.

Another service which has always surprised me is the services from CLT to LGW and FRA with US Airways as this is another one of the USA's lesser known cities to outsiders. But I think as US Airways operates a major hub out of CLT many of the passengers are connecting to onwards destinations in the US.

How does AA's connecting services at RDU compare to US Airways services out of CLT?
 
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Tue May 10, 2005 5:57 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 12):

How does AA's connecting services at RDU compare to US Airways services out of CLT?

They offer very little connections through Raleigh. It is O&D-focused focus city. Most of the RDU-LGW traffic is O&D, with some connections from Miami, to keep the low-yielding passengers off of the LHR non-stops, and they'll send passengers from Dallas if the DFW flights go oversold. There is almost always space on the flight in coach.
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Tue May 10, 2005 6:05 am

RDU and SJC are the only two operations in the American Airlines system with single, hallmark routes. For Raleigh it is London. For San Jose it is Tokyo. These routes exist due to contracts that have been preset and insure that AA will not be loosing money!


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Tue May 10, 2005 6:19 am

Tis true.. Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill, and Cary are not well known globally.. I think that Research Triangle Park is well known globally though.. not as well known as GeneTown (Boston), but still very well known throughout the European business community, Japanese business community, Indian business community, Chinese business community, etc..

Saying that.. I think that the most RDU is looking for is a _x weekly to either Paris or Frankfurt..

The main focus is to get some west coast flights.. the others were just added as additional information and should be regarded as such..
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Tue May 10, 2005 6:36 am

Strange RDU is not looking for non-stop flights to MBJ with JM or SAL/SJO with TA... maybe not daily but 3-4 times per week.
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Tue May 10, 2005 6:38 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15):

Saying that.. I think that the most RDU is looking for is a _x weekly to either Paris or Frankfurt..

It doesn't work like that unless it is a leisure market. It needs to be 6x weekly at least, maybe five times, but nothing less. If a business market cannot support daily service, then it really isn't worth it for a European airline to go through the expense of a new station.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 16):
Strange RDU is not looking for non-stop flights to MBJ with JM or SAL/SJO with TA... maybe not daily but 3-4 times per week.

It is not strange at all. Air Jamaica is in a terrible financial situation and is in no position to start Raleigh and there is no market for flights to San Salvador or San Jose. Mexicana would be more logical.
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Tue May 10, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Air Jamaica is in a terrible financial situation and is in no position to start Raleigh and there is no market for flights to San Salvador or San Jose. Mexicana would be more logical

I agree about Air Jamaica, maybe if they were in good shape...
About Centralamerica from RDU, there's growing salvadorean community in North Carolina and of course the usual leisure traffic from the USA to Costa Rica.. If TA has not started ATL from SJO, it's very unlikely they'll venture to RDU or CLT.. Sure they think "passengers from North Carolina fly TA via IAD or MIA"
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Tue May 10, 2005 7:18 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):
RDU and SJC are the only two operations in the American Airlines system with single, hallmark routes. For Raleigh it is London. For San Jose it is Tokyo. These routes exist due to contracts that have been preset and insure that AA will not be loosing money

also to note, these routes came about when both cities were AA hubs back in the late 80's to mid 90's
 
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Tue May 10, 2005 8:52 am

The West Coast (LAX/SFO) will happen eventually. I'd love to see UA come back and fly these markets (plus they can add conxn opportunites in both cities). While they are at it, they can bring mainline service from DEN. Most carriers are not in good enough shape to add new transcon markets right now and RDU really doesn't have much in the way of gate space with all the construction going on...

I don't see RDU getting service to CDG ever again, but FRA is a definate possibility. I heard rumors a few years ago (early 2001ish) that AA was looking into this route. Obviously the market (and the whole airline indistry) has changed since then.
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Tue May 10, 2005 9:25 am

LA, BAY, and DEN will happen (+/- 1 yea).. CUN will happen also..

Like I said, the only airlines that could do any of these services are F9 (DEN/CUN) and B6 (LGB/OAK) when they enter RDU. RDU would do very well to approach B6 about the LGB/OAK flight.. B6 is stronger financially, and are more likely to do such routes than any legacy. If WN hasn't done it by now, I don't know if they would... they tried SAN and it didn't work.. would they try again with LA?
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Tue May 10, 2005 9:49 am

To hit on a few points from above,
RDU is probably not well known outside of the United states,
but, the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, and Duke University probably are.
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Not to say that these are a good reason for overseas markets, but some are.

However all of these, plus a region that is growing at 2-3%(25000-35000) a year, is a good reason to add flights to the west coast.

The Bay area, Los angeles, and Denver could easily sustain flights now. Delta obviously needed to route more passengers to SLC, so they have added that flight, in order to help some of the west bounds. But American, and WN could really put it to delta , by providing the needed destinations direct.
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Tue May 10, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
. RDU would do very well to approach B6 about the LGB/OAK flight.. B6 is stronger financially, and are more likely to do such routes than any legacy.

They are not likely at all to start those routes.

Oakland and Long Beach work from Lauderdale, Boston, New York City, and DC because they are such huge O&D markets...they can support the alternative. They also have a huge amount of leisure traffic. Raleigh-LA/San Fran are not that large to support to the alternatives and are too business-market oriented. Southwest could make RDU-OAK work, but jetBlue wouldn't. And jetBlue is not going to waste precious LGB slots on an RDU service.

If ever, LAX service will come on AA, SFO on United, or OAK on Southwest.
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Tue May 10, 2005 12:28 pm

Quoting TravisNC (Reply 8):
Well, to be fair to RDU, it does have higher O&D than IND

Yes they do. But only slightly more. We are comparing 8.6 to 8.0 for 2004. The 600,000 margin is less than 2003 and so far in 2005 the margin is even less. The difference is statistically insignificant.

Just thought I'd add that. And now while I am thinking about it I am going to pull up RDU in Google to see what it even looks like  Smile
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Tue May 10, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 24):
Yes they do. But only slightly more. We are comparing 8.6 to 8.0 for 2004. The 600,000 margin is less than 2003 and so far in 2005 the margin is even less. The difference is statistically insignificant.

Actually, I think TravisNC was talking about O&D only. IND has more connecting traffic than RDU and that should only increase as NW beefs up there. Other than that, I would agree the markets are very similar (both business and some leisure tfc.)
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Tue May 10, 2005 12:53 pm

RDU has every right to be upset about not having flights to LA, but I'm sure the waiting won't last too much longer.

The Bay Area, well.....you gotta crawl before you can walk...which means LA then deal with Bay Area later.

They are dreaming about Paris, and to a lesser extent FRA. They should be counting their blessings about what they have right now.
 
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Tue May 10, 2005 8:40 pm

Well, I guess we will just have to see what RDUAA can drum up.. Although LA and the Bay are are business routes, they are also leisure routes as well. As is DEN. I hope they all come through.. But it is funny how there are more passengers on the LA route, but they think more frequency should be on the DEN route.. LOL.. just thought it was funny..
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Tue May 10, 2005 11:12 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 27):
. Although LA and the Bay are are business routes, they are also leisure routes as well.

Yes, but leisure travelers don't demand non-stops and won't pay a premium for them.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 27):
But it is funny how there are more passengers on the LA route, but they think more frequency should be on the DEN route.

Not really. In Denver, you can connect to dozens and dozens of West Coast cities. in LAX, the connections are more limited and require back-tracking.
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Tue May 10, 2005 11:45 pm

RDUDDJI... looking at Google it looks like they have a new terminal and runway. Is that accurate? Are the two terminal buildings connected or is what appears to be the older one going to be torn down?
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Wed May 11, 2005 12:09 am

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The "Newer Terminal" and Newer/Longer Runway is the terminal C side on the Northwest. This was AA's hub building built in the mid 80's. Unfortunately it lacks the facilities to handle multiple airlines' O&D traffic. The North end of it is gone already. They have destroyed the first taxiway bridge northeast of it, and rerouted that road. They are currently installing new a new tarmac. The southern half of it will be demoloished once the new portion is done. There is no Physical connection between A and C unless you consider the walkway that is in the middle that connects both through the parking Garage.
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Wed May 11, 2005 12:12 am

Couldn't AA add on a extension to their RDU-LGW route, maybe RDU-LGW-FRA?

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Wed May 11, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 31):
Couldn't AA add on a extension to their RDU-LGW route, maybe RDU-LGW-FRA?

No. They would lose a ton of money. They would not have local traffic rights and they would need to dedicate two 777s to the RDU-LGW route instead of one.
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Wed May 11, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
That sounds like a good idea to me. LH do the BBJ to FRA and AF do a ABJ to CDG

Are you referring to the AF "Dedicate" service with the specially configured A319s? AFAIK, AF uses those on services to Indian Ocean destinations, right? It wouldn't be illogical for that service to fly to RDU... The RDU-LGW flight is primarily business pax, and the "Dedicate" A/C are all business configured...

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Wed May 11, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 33):
AFAIK, AF uses those on services to Indian Ocean destinations, right?

Africa and the Middle East.

Quoting San747 (Reply 33):
The RDU-LGW flight is primarily business pax, and the "Dedicate" A/C are all business configured...

The RDU-LGW route is mainly business traffic. That does not mean that RDU-CDG would be. There is a good amount of business traffic on RDU-LGW thanks to the pharmaceutical industry. Not so with Paris. Also, their Dedicate A319s are not in an all-business configuration. They have coach class and business class. What is special about the aircraft is that they are low-density configured (54Y/28C, IIRC) and they are A319LR.

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Wed May 11, 2005 12:44 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
No. They would lose a ton of money. They would not have local traffic rights and they would need to dedicate two 777s to the RDU-LGW route instead of one.

No they wouldn't, one aircraft can manage to fly the route in plenty of time!

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Wed May 11, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
If ever, LAX service will come on AA, SFO on United, or OAK on Southwest.

I could see AA starting RDU-LAX, but honestly I see WN starting it before AA. WN already does IND-LAX, BNA-LAX (as does AA), BWI-LAX, etc. I think, while feasible for both airlines, WN has more capacity (and money) to start this route. But they may both end up doing it. I think it is only a matter of "when", not "if".
 
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Thu May 12, 2005 5:17 pm

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 26):
RDU has every right to be upset about not having flights to LA, but I'm sure the waiting won't last too much longer.

The Bay Area, well.....you gotta crawl before you can walk...which means LA then deal with Bay Area later.

They are dreaming about Paris, and to a lesser extent FRA. They should be counting their blessings about what they have right now.

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Thu May 12, 2005 5:24 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
AF do a ABJ to CDG..

It is the ACJ and AF does not fly them, they fly A319ERs.

As far as RDU-Europe goes, the only reason RDU has an LGW flight is because Pharmacutical companies subsidize the flight, guarenteeing it breaks even before it takes off. I doubt they would want to do this for more than 1 777
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Fri May 13, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
If WN hasn't done it by now, I don't know if they would... they tried SAN and it didn't work.. would they try again with LA?

Never seen a SAN-RDU non-stop out of here and I have been following the schedules at Lindbergh since 1967 (when we got our first coast-to-coast non-stop to JFK). I know there was a WN flight that stopped at AUS a year back and there was a short lived SAN-SAT-RDU thru-flight on WN as well but no non-stops.
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Fri May 13, 2005 12:53 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
If WN hasn't done it by now, I don't know if they would... they tried SAN and it didn't work.. would they try again with LA?

WN has never flown transcon from Raleigh.
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:25 am

"LA, BAY, and DEN will happen (+/- 1 yea).. "

DEN happened, and didn't work. High load factor but still was cancelled by YV/UA. I think the reality is that lots of people in RDU want to go to the West Coast, but none of them are willing to pass up a cheap connecting fare, of which there are many.

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Fri May 13, 2005 1:29 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 39):
Never seen a SAN-RDU non-stop out of here and I have been following the schedules at Lindbergh since 1967

Hmm.. I thought WN did some sort of coast-to-coast.. I guess I'm wrong.. which would not be the first time.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 41):
DEN happened, and didn't work. High load factor but still was cancelled by YV/UA. I think the reality is that lots of people in RDU want to go to the West Coast, but none of them are willing to pass up a cheap connecting fare, of which there are many.

No, the truth is YV was always weight restricted and passengers were being turned away. Plus, there are LOTs and LOTs and LOTs of people who fly non-stop routes out of RDU without connections..
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RE: RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Fri May 13, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 34):
Quoting San747 (Reply 33):
AFAIK, AF uses those on services to Indian Ocean destinations, right?

Africa and the Middle East.

...and former Soviet territories as well.

Quoting B742 (Reply 35):
No they wouldn't, one aircraft can manage to fly the route in plenty of time!

Though I'll admit to being too lazy to look up the turnaround times.... keep in mind that AA rotates its Gatwick departures, with the same aircraft, between DFW and RDU; thus adding a tag-on might require the addition of yet another aircraft to facilitate thus.
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RE: RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Fri May 13, 2005 9:07 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 43):
Though I'll admit to being too lazy to look up the turnaround times

I think it is, like, 4-5 hours between turnaround times.. which is about normal..

But what everyone keeps harping on is wrong.. the article states that the most likely European destinations for RDU would be Paris or Frankfurt based on O&D.. but the article clearly states that the focus will be on West Coast flights and not the international ones..
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RE: RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Fri May 13, 2005 9:17 am

AA tried a few years ago an RDU-ORY ( I think it was ORLY and not CDG), and it lasted a while. It survived due to the cargo that was carried in the 76's. Not sure if times have changed and this market can support any type of RDU-CDG traffic. I would like to see it, but I doubt this area could contribute enough passengers for a flight to Paris!
 
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RE: RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Fri May 13, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 44):

I think it is, like, 4-5 hours between turnaround times.. which is about normal..

Normal is 2-3 hours. The RDU-LGW arrival turns around in 3.5 hours to do LGW-DFW. While DFW-LGW turns in 3 hours to do LGW-RDU.

Quoting Paul777 (Reply 45):
AA tried a few years ago an RDU-ORY ( I think it was ORLY and not CDG), and it lasted a while.

It lasted as long as AA's Raleigh hub did. Hub closed, and so did the route.
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RE: RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Fri May 13, 2005 9:28 am

Currently, the largest RDU could support on a daily basis would be a 757 to Europe. However, i don't think the 757 has the range to do RDU-Europe.. so I don't think that would work. The only way RDU could support such traffic is if it became a focus city.

Though it is already an MQ focus city, it is an O&D focus city. Very little traffic is for connecting.

I would personally love to see the following international destination..

NAS (daily US 733), AUA (daily DL E70), YUL (daily AC CRJ), CUN (MFSun FL 717), and of course the LAX (daily DL 738), SFO (daily HP 319), DEN (2 daily F9 319), SEA (daily AC 738)..

Is that asking too much?
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RE: RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Fri May 13, 2005 9:34 am

those are rather odd airline/destination combos, you're saying that AC would do a daily to SEA out of RDU? or that HP, would do a daily to SFO out RDU? If anything, I would say that UA would operate a daily to SFO, AS would more than likely do the SEA flight. HP doing an SFO is wicked odd, I know they offered a daily from to and from SFO to BOS and JFK, but those did not last, only a few months.
 
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RE: RDU Seeking West Coast, European Flights

Fri May 13, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 26):
RDU has every right to be upset about not having flights to LA, but I'm sure the waiting won't last too much longer.

The Bay Area, well.....you gotta crawl before you can walk...which means LA then deal with Bay Area later.

They are dreaming about Paris, and to a lesser extent FRA. They should be counting their blessings about what they have right now.

I have to agree with this! Be happy for what you have, wanting more is normal though accept the fact that RDU is probably being served well enough for now!
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