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Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:00 am

Emirates will start operating a daily non stop A340-500 to EZE..
This is great news and can't wait to fly on their first class suite..

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:02 am

any official source?

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:03 am

where does EK fly in S. America now?

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:04 am

It was in the news this weekend, they even had a great article about Dubai. (El Mercurio newspaper)
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 2):
where does EK fly in S. America now?

nowhere, great that EK will start the service.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:13 am

Well indeed! Big grin

This is going to be the first Airbus A340-500 in EZE, unless TG or any other A345 operating carrier beat EK, but I don't think that'll be the case.. I'm happy, thanks for the heads up Flyfirst. I'm gonna start saving for these flights, I'd love to fly with EK's brand new fleet.

Thanks again!


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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:19 am

the question, could the fill up really a daily flight? We will see, I am sure they will bring low fares for far east, middle east, india destinations.

For AF and LH the new EK flight will be a (big)problem.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:24 am

interesting, currently there are only 2 flights a week to Asia from EZE on MH, both via South Africa ( where most of the load is to/from). I wonder where are they going to find the passengers to fill up a daily A345 ?, connecting passangers to/from where ? LOL
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:29 am

KUL is not central, but DXB has a great geographic situation for conections to complete ASIA from EZE.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:30 am

Do they serve wine on board ?
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 7):
currently there are only 2 flights a week to Asia from EZE on MH, both via South Africa

I've heard that the load factor is pretty high on MH. Back when SA flew to EZE, there was an extra way of connecting to Asia.
Adding to that QF's flights EZE-AKL-SYD in the transpolar route, (been on one June 2001) always leave 80-85% full. (and that was when the country was in really bad shape. Not that it is in good shape now). So I guess there IS a market. DXB the biggest hub in the world? I think so Big grin


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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 10):
Adding to that QF's flights EZE-AKL-SYD in the transpolar route, (been on one June 2001) always leave 80-85% full. (and that was when the country was in really bad shape. Not that it is in good shape now).

I don't really think that Qantas flights leave Buenos Aires that full, considerng the fact that they have not flown to Buenos Aires since 2002.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I don't really think that Qantas flights leave Buenos Aires that full, considerng the fact that they have not flown to Buenos Aires since 2002.

You see? There's a 3 year queue, LOL.
Now, seriously. I've seen the QF schedule and somehow I got this wrong. Sorry misleading! (and, oh.. in 2001, that load factor was real)

Thanks again MAH4546!

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:58 am

The traffic from that area of the world where Emirates comes from to Argentina is mostly between Israel, Lebanon, Jordan + Egypt and Argentina.
Emirates flying to EZE would make it easier for travelers between Kazastan/Iran/Pakistan/India/Saudiarabia/UAE maybe China and Argentina.. How much weekly traffic are we talking about there, enough only for 1-2 flights per week?
If Emirates will be in the business of flying fresh meat from Argentina to the Arabian Peninsula and Iran.. that's another story.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 7:10 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 13):
The traffic from that area of the world where Emirates comes from to Argentina is mostly between Israel, Lebanon, Jordan + Egypt and Argentina.
Emirates flying to EZE would make it easier for travelers between Kazastan/Iran/Pakistan/India/Saudiarabia/UAE maybe China and Argentina.. How much weekly traffic are we talking about there, enough only for 1-2 flights per week?

The market is not so small what you mentioned, espeical to China and India.
Anyway EK will subsides the flight in the beginning but why not, if they have the money, the airplanes, etc.



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 13):
If Emirates will be in the business of flying fresh meat from Argentina to the Arabian Peninsula and Iran.. that's another story.



not only meat, also lot of cargo to China and India as well to other asian destinations, + some cargo from europe and africa to eze.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting Flyfirst (Thread starter):
Emirates will start operating a daily non stop A340-500 to EZE..

Naahhh, I don't think that's possible... daily AND non stop? Although we've known EK plans to arrive to Argentina for a while, it's always with a stop in GRU and then to EZE. And daily? Just seems to much for an start, it would demand 2 345s destinated to EZE only, it just don't make sense to me

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I don't really think that Qantas flights leave Buenos Aires that full, considerng the fact that they have not flown to Buenos Aires since 2002.

It had very good loads indeed, but there was lack of 747s and LA offered a pretty good deal codesharing via SCL

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 10):
Adding to that QF's flights EZE-AKL-SYD in the transpolar route

BTW, you know It was never transpolar... although AR loves to market the flight as it was
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 7:28 am

Quoting Arcano (Reply 15):
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 10):
Adding to that QF's flights EZE-AKL-SYD in the transpolar route

BTW, you know It was never transpolar... although AR loves to market the flight as it was

Yes I know, just getting the kick out of it. Un poquito de orgullo nacional por aqui, otro por alla... Big grin

I did know it wasn't exactly transpolar but I don't certainly know what's the FP. AR flies EZE-AKL-SYD 3x weekly with an A342 now or is it the 747-400 or both?

Un saludo desde el otro lado de la cordillera!

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 8:21 am

Good evening gentlemen,

First of all, welcome Gastón. It's good to have other Argentine members at A.net. I hope you'll enjoy the forums as much as I have, and will get along quite well with the other members of the (small) Argentine group. ¡Bienvenido!

Back to topic:

EK already talked to the Argentine Secretary of Tourism, Carlos Meyer, at the International Tourism Meeting in Berlin. They are very interested on flying to EZE for some reason I still don't get. As far as I know, the planned routing is DXB-GIG-EZE. GRU would get a dedicated flight.

Although it would be at its maximum range and some restrictions may apply, an A343 could fly the route, as GIG is somewhat north-located. Now, should the service be non-stop, then an A345 is a must. Same with the DXB-GRU-EZE route Arcano mentioned.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 16):
AR flies EZE-AKL-SYD 3x weekly with an A342 now or is it the 747-400 or both?

Incorrect. AR 1182 (EZE-AKL-SYD) operates on a 4x weekly schedule with A342. The 744s currently fly to MAD 2x daily and FCO 1x weekly only - the other 3x weekly are operated with A342.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 13):
The traffic from that area of the world where Emirates comes from to Argentina is mostly between Israel, Lebanon, Jordan + Egypt and Argentina.

I'm afraid they are very weak-yield markets. People flying from Argentina to the Middle East are mainly visiting friends or relatives. They certainly don't justify two dedicated aircraft for that service. If they were interesting markets, LY would have started EZE long ago.

This said, now we are having good relationship with China, so EK may be targeting Biz pax, as they fly to Hong Kong and Shanghai.

As always with EK, only one word comes to my mind: Petrodollars. They can do whatever they feel like, and still make profits. Gotta love the UAE.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 8:33 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
First of all, welcome Gastón. It's good to have other Argentine members at A.net. I hope you'll enjoy the forums as much as I have, and will get along quite well with the other members of the (small) Argentine group. ¡Bienvenido!

Ahhh, Marambio! Some user I wanted to meet! I've been lurking around this forums and reading your posts. Completely agreeing with you. Big grin Thanks for the warm welcome and I will enjoy the forum. I've learned a lot from them... and there's a LOT more to learn. Thank you, again!

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
They are very interested on flying to EZE for some reason I still don't get

ROTFL  rotfl  I can't get it either, but... hey. Maybe Brazil and Argentina can come up with a medium-high yield, giving EK a low risk entry to the market.

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
Incorrect. AR 1182 (EZE-AKL-SYD) operates on a 4x weekly schedule with A342. The 744s currently fly to MAD 2x daily and FCO 1x weekly only - the other 3x weekly are operated with A342.

Thank you for the info! Appreciated. On another matter, AR is in the book for 8 A340-600s with options for 7 more. Is this firm? They count in Airbus' book. And I've heard that Airbus' is negotiating AR's A380 entry. Someone heard about this? I don't think CURRENT EZE could handle it. Marambio, you are a great source, please confirm or deny. Big grin

As mentioned above... this could be a good Cargo route. But let's see how this story continues to unveil.

Once again, thanks!!

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 13):
The traffic from that area of the world where Emirates comes from to Argentina is mostly between Israel, Lebanon, Jordan + Egypt and Argentina.

Not Israel. EK doesn't op to TLV.
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
EK already talked to the Argentine Secretary of Tourism, Carlos Meyer, at the International Tourism Meeting in Berlin. They are very interested on flying to EZE for some reason I still don't get. As far as I know, the planned routing is DXB-GIG-EZE. GRU would get a dedicated flight.

Although it would be at its maximum range and some restrictions may apply, an A343 could fly the route, as GIG is somewhat north-located. Now, should the service be non-stop, then an A345 is a must. Same with the DXB-GRU-EZE route Arcano mentioned.

Fantastic! GIG is improving as connections increase since relocation from SDU of many domestic flights (GIG probably will be bigger than GRU in domestic flights in may as JJ and RG increases it flights there). At the same time Brazilian Government is making many efforts to increase trade with Medium Orient countries (they expect to increase up to 200% in two years) which can reflects in cargo availability as well as many business pax. Rio is also an important oil destination and all oil companies HQs in Brazil are located there.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 9:19 am

Emirates flying to EZE makes me green with envy mischievous  It'd be a great option for business travelers in South America.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 18):
Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
They are very interested on flying to EZE for some reason I still don't get

ROTFL I can't get it either,

Perhaps, and I'm guessing here, the big number of Argentineans with Arab roots is a factor. If I recall correctly, Mr. Menem was of Syrian origin.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 9:25 am

Hola Gastón,

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 18):
R is in the book for 8 A340-600s with options for 7 more. Is this firm? They count in Airbus' book.

That order was placed during the Iberia-SEPI administration. AR would have been, believe it or not, the launch customer for the A346!

The new Marsans administration wants to drop the orders. They are going Boeing and the A346s doesn't fit AR very well. Argentinian pilots are very used and love to fly Boeings, especially because the chancha (732) is by far one of the most loved planes here. Besides, they already have the needed training for 742s and 744s. Basically just one route is worth such a big plane: EZE-MAD.

The A342s are ok for flights such as the Transpolar (excuse me for calling it like that, Arcano  Wink), FCO and JFK, where a 744 would be too big. In the Transpolar a four-engine plane is needed due to the lack of ETOPS in Southern Pacific. Some 767s could replace the A310s, but the latter are cheaper leasing wise, and AR already had some before, so pilots (again) already have the training.

Dropping the A346 order means AR would have to pay a big fine - they ordered eight, after all. Marsans of course does not want to pay it, so right now the order stands still. Nobody knows what will happen.

As for the A380s, it's the first time I hear about it. I find it somewhat impossible - again, only EZE-MAD would be interesting for an A380. Currently AR scheduled its Madrid flights so as to have one for pax staying in Madrid (the daylight one) and another for pax connecting to other European destinations (the night flight). An A380 would mean one daily flight only, thus eliminating the interesting schedules AR offers. I guess that's one of the biggest cons the A380 has, not only with AR but with lots of other airlines worlwide.

Saludos,
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 9:30 am

Hola SFOMEX,

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 21):

Perhaps, and I'm guessing here, the big number of Argentineans with Arab roots is a factor. If I recall correctly, Mr. Menem was of Syrian origin.

As I said before, the Middle East-Argentina market is very low-yield. Indeed there are quite a lot of people of Arab origin in Argentina, especially in northwestern provinces, but they only fly back home once in a while. We're talking about a clear VFR market, which, as we know, makes no big money for airlines.

Trade between Argentina and the Middle East is minimal. I can just can think of Arcor candies (Bon-o-bon labels are written in Spanish, English, Portuguese and Arabic) and Techint, an Argentine company that makes oil-extracting products.

And yes, El Carlos is of Syrian origin.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 10:09 am

Dammit... then he must know my great great great great (lotsa great, eh?) granny Celia. Syrian origin, fled the country due to a "fixed-up marriage" and came to Entre Rios.

As to trade between the Middle East and Argentina, yes, Techint, being the biggest company in it's market plays a big role. Food, don't forget some Soy, vegetables. Don't forget to add Bagley to that list too! They are major exporters.

Remember also that Argentina is the second largest jewish community abroad, (outside Israel), just behind the United States, so that could give them potential market.
There's a great possibility of having EK coming down here and therefore providing us asian fanatics with more connections to Japan.
It'd be certainly my pleasure to travel via DXB and not via JFK/EWR or GRU-LAX. It could save some time and, you wouldn't have to deal with a visa.
Hmm... EZE-GRU / GIG-DXB-NRT... that should be nice.
And for the record, I'm not skipping MH's EZE-JNB-KUL. Those flights are barely advertized.

Thanks for the info on the A380. EZE-MAD should be one of the starters. But, isn't AR's EZE-MIA operated by a 747? Is that route profitable enough to afford a second A380 or at least, have two constantly rotating?

And... finally, AR launch customer for the A340-600? That should have been awesome. My 2nd favorite plane in my favorite airline Shame on IB-SEPI.

Oh well... rant quota filled up tonight. hehe.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 10:16 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 21):
It'd be a great option for business travelers in South America.

I think this will only benefit Argentinian travellers (maybe Uruguay-Chile pax too).... for us in the northern part of S. America it's easier to connect in Europe, especially CDG or FRA.

In my case, as a Venezuelan, If I want to fly to Asia/Middle East it is cheaper and more convenient to connect in CDG or FRA, for many reasons:

- Price
- Trip Length
- Visa requirements. Venezuelans dont need Visas to enter Schegen countries, but we are required a visa to transit in DXB.

AF is currently offering USD 747 from CCS to Beirut via CDG and around USD 1000 CCS-CDG-PVG/HKG/PEK/Guangzhou-CDG-CCS.
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 24):
Remember also that Argentina is the second largest jewish community abroad, (outside Israel), just behind the United States, so that could give them potential market.

Remember Israel has no relations of any kind with any Arab country but Egypt and Jordan. The Israeli ATC doesn't even communicate with other Arab ATCs. Arab countries, which do not recognize Israel as a country itself, don't allow Israeli aircraft to fly over their airspace. Israel does the same with Arab planes. Needless to say, EK doesn't fly to TLV.

Myself coming from a Jewish family, I can tell you Argentine-Israelis always fly to Buenos Aires via Europe, usually with Lufthansa and Iberia. LY also offers interesting fares through its "El Al Connect" program, but you have to change planes in JFK and both Argentines and Israelis need a visa for the USA.

So, you can't rely on Jewish people for an EK flight.

Saludos,
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 10:39 am

Oh, I didn't know it went THAT bad. Anyway, I'm guessing some petrodollars could come in handy. Remember ENARSA (National Energy/Oil Company) is about to start digging for oil and gas, UAE people might be interested in doing business with the Argentine Government. Either way, there should be a market study for all of this. All of this is mere speculation. Big grin
Let's see how it goes in 2006.

Thanks again for the info. Oh well... I feel ignorant again, time to study more! And you guys are a great source.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 25):
I think this will only benefit Argentinian travellers (maybe Uruguay-Chile pax too).... for us in the northern part of S. America it's easier to connect in Europe, especially CDG or FRA.

Luis, isn't it cheaper or either easier for Venezuelans to go with Santa Barbara and IB via MAD?
And about that, visas for the UAE? Any word on how to get that and if there are any restrictions like the ones in the U.S.? My father's been to Saudi Arabia, and you can only enter the country WITH AN INVITATION from the Government.

I'd appreciate the info. Big grin

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 26):
Remember Israel has no relations of any kind with any Arab country but Egypt and Jordan.

Israel actually has low-level kind of relations with Morocco and Mauritania aslo, but with the gulf states none the public would know about.
Emirates flying to TLV? That would be something to see.
As for the argentinian-jewish business people traveling to Asia, maybe Emirates may do, as far as I know Emirates doesn't stop jews from flying with them. Maybe there're aslo be some argentinian-jewish family from Iran which will find Emirates via DXB attractive for VFR overthere.
Now that Emirates is thinking South America, did MEA, EL-AL, Varig or Aerolinias Argentinas ever flew South America <> Middle East?
I know Iraqi Airways did and as far as SCL, but my guess it because reasons other than passenger traffic.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 27):
Luis, isn't it cheaper or either easier for Venezuelans to go with Santa Barbara and IB via MAD?

You are correct, Santa barbara is the cheapest way to get from Venezuela to Europe. But regarding this topic, the Emirates service is targeted to offer connections to Africa-Middle East-Asia in DXB. IB lacks the Asian-Middle East route network that Emirates has.

So it's easier to connect in CDG or FRA with AF or LH. Both airlines have a large number of destinations in Asia-Middle East which IB lacks.
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 11:27 am

According to the great circle mapper the route will ciover a distance of 7383nm, hence the need to operate the A345 however they could use the 773ER if they needed... might give them greater revenue if the loads prove on the route.

I'd be a lot more interested in this if EK got rights to continue this route in a circle and hit SYD from the opposite side... How would QF feel then?  tongue 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 11:48 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 22):
excuse me for calling it like that, Arcano )

Por favor... I wouldn't love Argentina as I do if it wasn't for expresions like that. Solo "honrás" a "la" Arshentina...

BTW, me uno a la bienvenida de Marambio para ti, Gaston, just don't mess up with Chile and we'll be OK! jajajajaja

Quoting Marambio (Reply 23):
As I said before, the Middle East-Argentina market is very low-yield. ...Trade between Argentina and the Middle East is minimal

Exactly! then I still don't get a possible non stop. Maybe, EZE+GIG could do it, using EZE as a way of keeping the aircraft ion the air making some money instead of parking ot in GIG. But still, 2 frequencies to Brazil with an extension to Argentina?...

Quoting Marambio (Reply 23):
And yes, El Carlos is of Syrian origin

So Chechi also contributed to Syria??? So honored...

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 24):
Remember also that Argentina is the second largest jewish community abroad, (outside Israel), just behind the United States, so that could give them potential market.

So wouldn't El Al find interesting to link Israel and Buenos Aires?...

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 28):
I know Iraqi Airways did and as far as SCL

Rio I know, but Santiago? Never heard of that.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 30):
According to the great circle mapper the route will ciover a distance of 7383nm, hence the need to operate the A345 however they could use the 773ER if they needed... might give them greater revenue if the loads prove on the route.

I'd be a lot more interested in this if EK got rights to continue this route in a circle and hit SYD from the opposite side... How would QF feel then?

Could the B773ER do EZE-SYD, or would it have to be the A345? What's the ETOPS for the A345.

Come to think of it, EK could just continue with it's current schedule and increase utilisation
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 12:23 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 32):
Could the B773ER do EZE-SYD, or would it have to be the A345? What's the ETOPS for the A345.

The A345, ETOPS rated? Isn't that only for twinjet aircraft?

Quoting Arcano (Reply 31):
So wouldn't El Al find interesting to link Israel and Buenos Aires?...

When Argentina has a similar standard of living as the United States or other countries LY serves, it will!  rotfl 

Quoting Arcano (Reply 31):
Por favor... I wouldn't love Argentina as I do if it wasn't for expresions like that. Solo "honrás" a "la" Arshentina...

BTW, me uno a la bienvenida de Marambio para ti, Gaston, just don't mess up with Chile and we'll be OK! jajajajaja

Oh please, how could I mess up with Chile? Big grin I absolutely respect you guys! And admire a lot of things of your country!  Wink

Anyway, thanks for the warm welcome again!

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 12:25 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 32):
Could the B773ER do EZE-SYD, or would it have to be the A345? What's the ETOPS for the A345.

Under ETOPS regs. no, I couldn't. But with Boeing pushing those to the limit of abolishment who knows... It would have to be a quad to operate that route.

Btw, the A345 is not subject to ETOPS regs as it is a quad, I assume you meant the 773ER. Under LROPS however the A345 might not be able to complete the route however the proposals for LROPS vary depending on where you read it.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 32):
Come to think of it, EK could just continue with it's current schedule and increase utilisation

LOL. Theres a thought. Maybe they could buy 4 million more planes and have one for each of their customers?  tongue  God forbid EK would ever try and better utilize their fleet!
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 12:33 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 33):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 32):
Could the B773ER do EZE-SYD, or would it have to be the A345? What's the ETOPS for the A345.


The A345, ETOPS rated? Isn't that only for twinjet aircraft?

sorry lads, it was a typo. i did actually mean ETOPS for the B773ER.

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 34):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 32):
Come to think of it, EK could just continue with it's current schedule and increase utilisation

LOL. Theres a thought. Maybe they could buy 4 million more planes and have one for each of their customers? God forbid EK would ever try and better utilize their fleet!

Montey, what I was getting at was with the B773ER going to AKL now and the A345 sitting on the ground from 0600 til 2100, it would be better utlised throwing it across to EZE non-stop. scheduling could be such that the EZE-SYD A345 got into SYD around 19.30 to allow for the 21.00 departure SYD-DXB.
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 12:39 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 35):
Montey, what I was getting at was with the B773ER going to AKL now and the A345 sitting on the ground from 0600 til 2100, it would be better utlised throwing it across to EZE non-stop. scheduling could be such that the EZE-SYD A345 got into SYD around 19.30 to allow for the 21.00 departure SYD-DXB.

Yeah, I was just having a joke at EK's expense...

Surely there is something they could do with that A345 instead of paying the charges for it to sit there? Couldn't they run it back and fourth from somewhere is Oz? Heck, even chuck it on Antarctic sightseeing flights?  tongue  ... Crewing might be this issue here I'm guessing.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 1:36 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 36):
Surely there is something they could do with that A345 instead of paying the charges for it to sit there? Couldn't they run it back and fourth from somewhere is Oz? Heck, even chuck it on Antarctic sightseeing flights

It's a shame they haven't commenced services to SFO or LAX yet, as that would provide a better alternative to the EZE option.

The timing of the outbound sector ex-SYD is ideal...
On the sector back into SYD they would need to operate on a similar timing as QF 8.
1:00p LAX 4 8:35p+1 SYD 1 QF 8 Non-stop 744 14:35

For EK this would be ideal I suppose, as they would mostly focus on the local market, which eliminates the need for a later departure necessary for the feed that QF/AA and UA require.
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 1:57 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 37):
It's a shame they haven't commenced services to SFO or LAX yet, as that would provide a better alternative to the EZE option.

What city pairs does EK serve within the US? JFK-DXB?

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 2:11 pm

yep, JFK.
here are the details. flights are daily.

8:00a DXB 1 2:10p JFK 4 EK 201 Non-stop 345 14:10
11:30p JFK 4 8:20p+1 DXB 1 EK 202 Non-stop 345 12:50

The long layover at JFK is purely to improve connectivity.
The 800am departure from DXB and 8.20pm arrival is idela for connections from EK's subcontinent network.
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 2:12 pm

Has anybody else read this article by chance...

South Americans, Arabs to Hold Summit
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...a_am_ca/south_american_arab_summit

I also read an article a couple of weeks ago (sorry only in Spanish - from LA NACION)

http://www.aeropuertosarg.com.ar/new...ion=fullnews&showcomments=1&id=226

Basically there are requests from airlines from the Czech Republic, Egypt, Emirates, China and Turkey. Pretty interesting stuff.
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 2:16 pm

This begs the question: Is this just another step by EK to becoming the first truly global airline?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 38):
What city pairs does EK serve within the US? JFK-DXB?

EWR, JFK and HOU according to the EK website. Not sure about HOU though...
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 2:28 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 41):
This begs the question: Is this just another step by EK to becoming the first truly global airline?

I think it's in their plans from the very beginning to set up a global airline network.
Previous thread about EK beeing potentially interested in Alitalia's capital fit precicely in that picture.They also partly own Sri Lankan ...
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 2:32 pm

prior to the JFK service being launches, EK codeshared on CO flight over LGW.
The link to HOU remains.

2:45a DXB 1 1:40p IAH C EK 011/*EK 6311 Via LGW 772/777 19:55

10:55a IAH C 12:25a+2 DXB 1 CO 40/EK 097 Via FCO * /773 28:30 CO 40 Change of equipment enroute
3:50p IAH C 8:20p+1 DXB 1 CO 632/EK 202 Via NYC 735/345 19:30
6:45p IAH E 11:55p+1 DXB 1 CO 4/EK 002 Via LON 777/773 20:10
6:45p IAH E 12:10a+2 DXB 1 CO 4/EK 016 Via LGW 777/772 20:25

Although the connection remains [perhaps an interline agreement], there is not codesharing to EWR by the looks of things. Perhaps it is simply to provide an alternate schedule from NY compared to the non-stop services.
2:45a DXB 1 1:25p EWR C EK 011/CO 19 Via LGW 772/777 18:40

7:50p EWR C 12:20a+2 DXB 1 CO 16/EK 026 Via GLA 762/332 20:30
8:00p EWR C 12:10a+2 DXB 1 CO 20/EK 018 Via MAN 777/332 20:10
8:30p EWR C 8:00p+1 DXB 1 CO 28/EK 012 Via LGW 764/772 15:30
9:50p EWR C 11:50p+1 DXB 1 CO 32/EK 040 Via BHX 752/772 18:00
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 4:26 pm

By the way and just FYI....

There are millions of Brazlian and Argentinean who are originally Lebanese who would fill up the flights of EK once they start. Infact, the previous president of Argentina was originally from Lebanon and the Brazilian ministry and parliament is full of members who are of Lebanese origins.

When I was in Lebanon last summer, I met up with many Brazilian and Argentinean of Lebanese origin who were back to visit their homeland. So an EK flight for them would be heaven... so the loads on these flights will definitely be high including all the other tourists and businessmen from the Middle East and Far East who wouldn't mind a 2-3 days stopover in Dubai before continuing to Brazil or Argentina.

I think this route will be highly successful and the cargo will also add to the profits!!! And yes most probably it will be daily.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 4:57 pm

Quoting EK156 (Reply 44):
There are millions of Brazlian and Argentinean who are originally Lebanese who would fill up the flights of EK once they start. Infact, the previous president of Argentina was originally from Lebanon and the Brazilian ministry and parliament is full of members who are of Lebanese origins.

Totaly correct. Actually, there are more Lebanese and Syrians living in Brazil than in these countries.

Have a look at this interesting link:

http://www.anba.com.br/ingles/

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
As far as I know, the planned routing is DXB-GIG-EZE. GRU would get a dedicated flight.

Indeed, the information I have is that EK would fly DXB-GIG-EZE 3 x week and DXB-GRU 4 x week. But apparently everything is still open, there is no official press release, so maybe we could get some surprises.

On a side note: currently MEA has a codeshare with TAM in which you print a single ticket GRU-CDG-BEY. In the past MEA already operated BEY-ABJ-GRU, but without traffic rights ABJ-GRU.

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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 5:01 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
KUL is not central, but DXB has a great geographic situation for conections to complete ASIA from EZE.

Whatttttt? Check your world map again. KUL is closer to major Asian cities in India, China, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines.. heck even Australian big cities than DXB is.
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 6:03 pm

This is GREAT news for 1.5 billion people 2-4 flight hours away from Dubai wishing to fly to South America! As a lot have mentioned it above, the flight will surely be successful with 3-4 weekly flights to start. The cargo prospects alone are very promising as this new route will open up huge trade possibilities with the Gulf states, other Arab countries and the Indian Subcontinent and beyond.

Ethnic Lebanese/Syrian traffic, business travelers and people traveling onwards to the Far East will provide a rich blend of passenger markets.

I've been waiting for this for a while, and will certainly book a flight to Rio de Janeiro once the service comes online!

Rio HERE WE COME! Big grin
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 8:47 pm

I couldn't find the article on Emirates, but did find the one on Dubai. You can have a look here:
http://diario.elmercurio.com/2005/05...sta_del_domingo/_portada/index.htm
 
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RE: Emirates To EZE In 2006

Tue May 10, 2005 8:50 pm

Separately, from the above banter about QF to EZE. QF does have a sales office in BUE. Their website is:
http://www.qantasargentina.com/site/default.asp?seccion=Home

It's not a GSA relationship, either. They primarily support the QF/LA flight from SCL to AKL/SYD.