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A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 10:42 am

Humorous cartoon or political cartoon. You be the judge.

check it out: http://english.aljazeera.net/Structu...D50-DE74-48A3-A38F-DF582B5E3B3F%7d
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 10:48 am

Sorry, but that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 10:55 am

"More settlers" LOL! When do the El Al A380 flights into the West Bank begin.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 10:58 am

That was the worst video I've seen in a while.
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:04 am

Agreed. Definitely a different sense of humor.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:06 am

Hahaha! The Concorde looks funny!
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:08 am

Quoting Dash 80 (Reply 4):
Agreed. Definitely a different sense of humor.

its a bit more dry...thats how arabic humour/sarcasm is.....they are making fun on multiple fronts....

what I like about aljazeera is that they spare no one..they even rip on other arabic governments.......
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:27 am

Oh man, I just hope the gun-slingin' right-wingers around here don't go looking at the other cartoons linked there. There are a few of them that would give half of the flag-waving non-av crowd coronaries.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:29 am

A very different sense of humor, to be sure. I don't get it.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 12:19 pm

I didn't understand it at all. Perhaps I need to get out more.  Smile
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 12:28 pm

Wow, that was the funniest thing I've ever seen.

So damn clever.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 12:32 pm

Yaaaa I dont think I get it. Anyone with that sort of off beat sense of humor want to explain a little to us sheltered westerners??
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 12:49 pm

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Hahaha! The Concorde looks funny!

Yeah... I'm sure we'd be laughing if it was a nervous Pan Am 747 cartoon with the caption "Flight 103." Shujaat has a long history of twisted humor.  Yeah sure

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 1:03 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):
"Dry" doesn't begin to describe a punch-line involving dead tourist.

I can always appreciate morbid humor. I just don't get this. I barely understood the Palestinian fretting over new Israeli settlers. Somebody's fretting over the airplane because it brings Jews to Israel? European technology is just a plot for the Jews to take over the Palestinians? I definitely need somebody to explain...
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 1:10 pm

I think the cartoon just shows different perspectives of the A380 to different people...

STOP looking so far into things...some things are more literal than you all think!
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 1:31 pm

hmm, what they don't show is Osama's ideal of blowing up an A380 full of Israelis somewhere over New York or Washington...
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 1:32 pm

It's not really about aviation, but about politics and difficulties in the Arabic world.

Not easy to understand the last image regarding flight safety with the burning Concorde and the question marks around it, and the surprise of the security agent. Does it mean that what is coming from West is not always the best solution for the Arabic world ?

Can somebody explain.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 14):
I think the cartoon just shows different perspectives of the A380 to different people...

Airportugal hits the nail on the head here. In order of each "frame"

To the Egyptian, the A380 represents ??? - only one I'm not sure about
To the Palestinian it means more settlers could arrive into the disputed areas
To the Lebanese it would mean a quick end to Syrian meddling in their internal politics
To a flight safety personnel, a potential disaster
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 2:22 pm

This is not a great cartoon, in no way it should be considered representative of the long tradition of great cartoonists in the Arab world (especially in Egypt). I guess the artist wants to highlight the huge load that the A380 can carry, and uses it as a vector to carry or bring about what worries people the most in his opinion:
1-The Egyptian: hopes to get liberated from the huge load of amendments to the constitution (see the inscription on the plane) that have distorted the rule of law in his country as he prays for reform.
2-The Palestinian: fears from more expansion of the settlements and further fragmentation of the remaining non-annexed territories.
3-The Lebanese: hopes to see armies and intelligence lift-off to the other side of the border.
4-The airline security official:fears that any accident on this plane may become a major catastrophe.
As I said, this is in no way a "chef d'oeuvre". There is a long tradition of cartoonists in the Arab press, especially the Egyptian press with celebrities like Hegazi, but also Lebanese press with monuments like the late Palestinian artist Naji Al Ali. Their works have often been the only way to vent protest in a very controled media environment. It is unfair to judge their art based on the very far fetched content (even for an Arab reader) of this particular work.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 2:48 pm

Wassch - thanks for explaining the Egyptian situation a bit more. I hadn't been following their constitutional amendment process, so wasn't aware of the situation. I'll agree the artist didn't get his meaning across well, but that's no condemnation against a good tradition of political cartoonists.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 2:53 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12):
Yeah... I'm sure we'd be laughing if it was a nervous Pan Am 747 cartoon with the caption "Flight 103." Shujaat has a long history of twisted humor.

Agreed, twisted humor or not, the Concorde part was a bit troubling to watch.
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 2:57 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 19):
thanks for explaining the Egyptian situation a bit more

No problem... that cartoon is not good since it required so many explanations and generated lots of misinterpretations.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 3:14 pm

Well I give it a 6.

There was some inside humor that probably isn't understood outside the arab world.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 3:23 pm

He's not saying this is what the A380 means to people...

By showing an A380 flying around, and what people's thoughts are, I think he's saying that the A380 is not what's important to people, that other, more pressing day-to-day issues in their lives are. He's using the A380 against that for one of three reasons, I'd think (and I don't necessarily agree with any of these, this is just what I'm guessing he might be saying):

A. Instead of pouring its time, money, and intelligence into solving the problems that are important to people, the world pours it into things like big airplanes, which presumably he finds less important -- so he's complaining about the allocation of resources in the world.

B. Instead of focusing on the issues that are important to people, the press is concentrating on a story about a big airplane. (Obviously the press works plenty on those other issues, since we know what they are!)

C. (And this would be the most controversial, please don't flame me, I'm just proposing something the artist might have had in mind) Instead of spending their money on an airline to attain international prestige, the few at the top of the Arab social structure who have all the $$$ might want to invest more in solving the regions problems and helping their religious, cultural, geographic brethern with the problems they face, instead of just trying to have the biggest fleet of superplanes to fly Europeans to Australia and Southeast Asia and back.

Not knowing the artist at all or his background, I can't comment on which mixture of these three is most likely, sounds like some of the rest of you are familiar with him and can.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 5:16 pm

Quoting Wassch71 (Reply 21):
No problem... that cartoon is not good since it required so many explanations and generated lots of misinterpretations.

good cartoons, such as this one, shouldn't need explaining.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Hahaha! The Concorde looks funny!

agreed!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
There are a few of them that would give half of the flag-waving non-av crowd coronaries.

are you kidding? the rampers here aren't capable of thought. those of us that get it will remain a cherished few.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 24):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
There are a few of them that would give half of the flag-waving non-av crowd coronaries.

are you kidding? the rampers here aren't capable of thought. those of us that get it will remain a cherished few.

This could very well be the misunderstanding of the month.  Smile
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 7:34 pm

As Wassch71 already said, this is not a very good cartoon because of its lack of clarity - i've noticed that in Shujaat's cartoons, the point is not always clear. The Middle East have had some great political cartoonists, one of the best and my personal favourite being the late Naji Al-Ali - if you check out my profile, I have a GIF image of a little boy with his back to you, holding a Palestinian flag. The little boy is Naji Al-Ali's famous Hanzalah, who has evolved to represent the Palestinian child. Naji Al-Ali used Hanzalah to show the world the human rights crisis in Palestine, and other such things.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 8:51 pm

I've seen better Cartoons  Smile
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Tue May 10, 2005 9:17 pm

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 9:28 pm

I'm surprised that being it was on Al Jazeera, they weren't teaching you how to blow it up or something knowing their reputation.
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 9:30 pm

Just shows you, humour isn't always cross cultural.  Yeah sure

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 9:40 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 29):
I'm surprised that being it was on Al Jazeera, they weren't teaching you how to blow it up or something knowing their reputation.

Correction: knowing their reputation in the US, where people can't seem to understand that just because they have a different point of view than yours, it does not mean they are terrorist supporters.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 9:47 pm

other than the settlers bit, i don't get it. what was the deal with the flaming concorde? was the dude wondering if the a380 was going to blow up?

and if that is what we were supposed to gather from his expression, even though he was facing away from us, then why is that funny?
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 9:52 pm

Ugh.....just missed the humor in that one
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 10:15 pm

just two words: it sucks
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 10:25 pm

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
Sorry, but that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

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And from the network that's the most "Fair and Balanced" news organization in the world!  sarcastic 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 10:27 pm

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 35):
And from the network that's the most "Fair and Balanced" news organization in the world!

Fox News?
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting EDDM (Reply 36):
Fox News?

I don't even think you can make a comparison... Even in jest.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 37):
I don't even think you can make a comparision... Even in jest.

And you would know because you regularly watch Aljazeera, eh?  Yeah sure
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting QR332 (Reply 38):
And you would know because you regularly watch Aljazeera, eh?

Actually I watch both, if you must know... Do you?
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Tue May 10, 2005 11:57 pm

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 37):
I don't even think you can make a comparison... Even in jest.

you are right. you cannot compare al jazeera and fox news. al jazeera is clearly better at presenting real news, is less biased, and more respected.
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 12:03 am

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 40):
Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 37):
I don't even think you can make a comparison... Even in jest.


you are right. you cannot compare al jazeera and fox news. al jazeera is clearly better at presenting real news, is less biased, and more respected.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 1:11 am

Yea, the news company that shows videos of kidnapped workers in Iraq getting their heads chopped off and then proclaiming the killers to be heroes of Islam isnt biased at all...

I swear some of you are so passionatley anti bush / any conservative, youd sell your sould to satan himself before passing up an opportunity, no matter how tactless, just to take a low blow at Bush or Fox News. grow up
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Wed May 11, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 39):
Actually I watch both, if you must know... Do you?

So you know Arabic? I must say, i'm surprised. And yes, I do watch Aljazeera, and trust me, they just report things as they are. Just because it makes your country bad does not mean it isn't true - If you watched Aljazeera, you would know that it also frequently criticizes the lack of reform we have here in the Middle East - it is a balanced news station. Obviously, it will be more leniant to the Arab point of view - but there is no news station out there that does not lean towards a particular point of view, and Aljazeera IMO does a pretty good job of not straying too much to either side. Fox news is known for how it is notoriously right wing, and the US media in general is known to downplay the suffering of the Arabs by a lot. Aljazeera shows when someone Western gets hurt and when someone Arab does.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 1:28 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 44):
So you know Arabic? I must say, i'm surprised. And yes, I do watch Aljazeera, and trust me, they just report things as they are

Yawn... They have an English language version.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 44):
Obviously, it will be more leniant to the Arab point of view

I hadn't noticed...

Quoting QR332 (Reply 44):
Fox news is known for how it is notoriously right wing, and the US media in general is known to downplay the suffering of the Arabs by a lot.

When you decide to LEARN other things from other cultures, as I have tried to do in my life, you'll watch the Fox News, CNNs, Aljazeeras, and FTs of the world, and come to your own conculsions about things. Not have them spoon fed to you as Aljazeera does it to their audiences.

Democracy... Try it sometime.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 1:33 am

Well said QR332  yes 
 
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 1:39 am

You know...it really is humorous the heat and criticism Al Jazeera takes from BOTH sides.

In the US, Al Jazeera is called a terrorist sympathizer, terrorist supporter, anti-American, etc.

In the Arab world, Al Jazeera is often criticized as being pro-American, anti-Islam, anti-Arab, etc.

I think this means they are doing something right.

Ironically, I just found this interesting internationally-based website yesterday that aims to reverse the negative image of Al Jazeera:
http://www.friendsofaljazeera.org



They have some interesting articles and news reports about Al Jazeera. It also specifically talks about how many Arab governments have banned Al Jazeera because Al Jazeera has a tendency to criticize the Arab regimes and Arab world in general.

Getting back on topic, I agree the cartoon is not very good. I think the only part that most people would be able to understand (unless they are heavily involved in Arab politics) is the last part about the Concorde scene, but I think people are misinterpretting that.

I think the flight safety person was just thinking about how devastating it would be if (God forbid) an A380 crashes simply because it can carry so many people.

This is actually a fear many in the public have. I know some people who don't want to ride it for that specific reason.

Anyways, it's just a cartoon. Let's not fret over it.

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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 1:49 am

Quoting EDDM (Reply 25):
This could very well be the misunderstanding of the month.

not at all. we've studied their (lack of) thought patterns.
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RE: A380 Cartoon On Aljazeera.net

Wed May 11, 2005 2:05 am

Of course, any of you (non-US citizens) who clicked the link to these cartoons will have immediately subscribed to the list of America's most wanted and won't stand a chance of getting past the TSA next time you're thinking of heading across the pond!

Apparently, as well as soon wanting DOB's on passenger lists, they're going to insist on IP addresses too!

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