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New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Tue May 10, 2005 12:17 pm

DHL's new hub at March ARB, CA (KRIV) is underway, and should be complete by early winter. It will serve as DHL's So.California's main cargo traffic center. I cant wait to see the yellow and Airborne Express planes use the 13000' runway.
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Tue May 10, 2005 1:05 pm

When did this happen? This is news to me. How can they have a facility on a active ARB? Why wouldn't they have chosen SBD? It's under civil control now.


Well, March has plenty of ramp and hangar room.


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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Wed May 11, 2005 4:30 am

It's supposed to be finished in September as the first flight is scheduled to touchdown at RIV on 1 October. The hub will be right next to the southern end of the runway. It'll be noticeable soon as the top of the building looks like it'll have big red and yellow stripes.

It became official about 4 weeks ago after the citizens who were suing to stop it lost a court case. They read the writing on the wall - the one that said they were liable for ALL legal expenses - and settled instead. The settlement was they would drop the lawsuit if both parties agreed to pay their own legal fees. The March JPA agreed and that is that.
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Wed May 11, 2005 2:39 pm

Wow Oct. 1 that is good.  cool 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Wed May 11, 2005 2:51 pm

There are 2 main reasons I see as to why DHL wants to use RIV as opposed to SBD. First is that RIV has over 3000 feet more runway than SBD, though SBD's 10,001 feet should be enough for DHL on most things. Second, highway access is better at RIV, in that the airport is just off the 91 freeway, while SBD is not quite as close to the local highways.

What I don't get is why they are not going to ONT that is still way under capacity. I am guessing LAWA wanted too much in fees to have a second major cargo hub there, but still. ONT is closer to Los Angeles, has 2 long runways and would seem to still be attractive.
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Wed May 11, 2005 3:56 pm

Why RIV as opposed to ONT? Like most business decisions, it comes down to costs. Costs will be lower at RIV because the Air Force is picking up the costs of airfield operations and ATC. DHL will pick up a minute amount of airfield costs but they're not paying nearly as much as they would at ONT (in landing fees) or SBD (where they'd be picking up 50%+). Also, it's my understanding SBD needed some work done with the runway and taxiways and they wouldn't be ready as soon as DHL wanted.

One more note: RIV is next to I-215 and the 215/60 interchange is 5 miles NW of the field. The 215/60/91 interchange (which has about 18 months more of construction) is about 12 miles NW of RIV.
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Wed May 11, 2005 4:13 pm

Is it also possible that March ARB is on the next BRAC?
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Wed May 11, 2005 9:30 pm

So March is still active ??? How many bases are "Joint Use" ?????
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Thu May 12, 2005 12:22 am

FRA technically is a joint use airbase...the civilian airport is AKA Rhein-Main AB... In the US, I don't know off the top of my head any joint use airfields...

Quick question: What will be security/photography tolerance situation there? I'd like to go out to the base on 10/1 and take pics, but I don't want to be arrested and interrogated... If anyone can inform me of their policy, that would be great...

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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Thu May 12, 2005 12:25 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
while SBD is not quite as close to the local highways.

SBD is minutes from I-10 and I-215. Both are major east-west, and north-south freeways. I can see where SBD would need time to repair the field though.
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Thu May 12, 2005 1:48 am

Can RIV be used for commercial flights, or only for cargo?

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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Thu May 12, 2005 3:50 am

As far as the BRAC list, I think everyone will be paying attention Friday morning. I say March is not on the BRAC list because there is additional room to expand flight missions.

There are still USAF flights out of March, but March was downgraded from an active base to a reserve base during the BRAC in the mid-90s. The aircraft assigned to the airfield belong to the USAFR (KC135Rs and on August 9th, the C-17...well, that's when they get their own C17s...there will be some there from mid-June that they're borrowing from McChord) and ANG (California ANG KC135Rs and Montana ANG F16s).

Joint-Use airfields? I can't recall, but there is a special designation for them through the FAA. Two off-hand are Lawton/Fort Sill, OK and Sierra Vista/Fort Huachuca, AZ.

I can't answer the commercial or cargo flight question. All I can say is what I know...DHL will operate from there beginning in October and San Diego was studying March as one of the possibilities of flying commercial from there. Flying commercial from March probably won't happen because ONT is so close.

You shouldn't run into any hassles taking picks near March. I'd personally recommend the March Field Museum. It is located midfield, in between I-215 and the runway. Keep in mind that 95%+ of the flights land to Rwy32 (from the museum, that's right to left.)
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 8:51 am

Quoting Echster (Reply 11):
You shouldn't run into any hassles taking picks near March. I'd personally recommend the March Field Museum. It is located midfield, in between I-215 and the runway. Keep in mind that 95%+ of the flights land to Rwy32 (from the museum, that's right to left.)

Cool, thanks! I haven't been to the museum in a while and I can sort of kill two birds here by visiting it and taking pics...
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting Echster (Reply 11):
Joint-Use airfields? I can't recall, but there is a special designation for them through the FAA. Two off-hand are Lawton/Fort Sill, OK and Sierra Vista/Fort Huachuca, AZ.

HNL is a joint use airfield. Honolulu International and Hickam AFB. There has been talk over the years of making NAS Pt. Mugu joint-use but that is about as likely to happen as CMA is to get commercial go ahead. FRA actually wont be a joint use field for much longer
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 9:28 am

So is this going to be a very large DHL hub, or just a regional one? Wouldn't it make sense for DHL to have a large hub on the west coast serve the same purpose as Wilmington?
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 10:22 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
What I don't get is why they are not going to ONT that is still way under capacity. I am guessing LAWA wanted too much in fees to have a second major cargo hub there, but still. ONT is closer to Los Angeles, has 2 long runways and would seem to still be attractive.

Because RIV is about as close as you'll get to a cargo-airport starved San Diego.
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 10:44 am

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 15):
Because RIV is about as close as you'll get to a cargo-airport starved San Diego

By all of 12 miles, or about 10 minutes freeway time.
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 11:21 am

I'm not sure what DHL intends for the RIV site as far as how big they'd like it, although I have seen some plans and drawings.  Smile RIV is going to serve as their SoCal hub. I think they also have a hub in NoCal (Sacramento area).

By all of 12 miles, or about 10 minutes freeway time.

To where? March is about a 2 to 2.5-hour drive to San Diego and close to 60-75 minutes drive to ONT. SoCal traffic is hell, even taking the freeways all the way!
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 1:11 pm

Is anyone still flying out of Norton AFB?TC
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 1:19 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
By all of 12 miles, or about 10 minutes freeway time.

I count 24 miles closer from SAN-RIV then SAN-ONT (and those are 24 less city miles). However, much traffic is trucked from the SD area to LAX and RIV is much more convenient to San Diego then LAX is. That would be the traffic I would go after.
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 1:42 pm

SBD is unacceptable because of the terrain. The decision height for the ILS (Rwy 6) is, IIRC, something like 2200' AGL, and there's no instrument approach to Rwy 24 because of the same terrain (the large mountain range).

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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sat May 14, 2005 2:50 pm

I count 24 miles closer from SAN-RIV then SAN-ONT (and those are 24 less city miles).

Could be. Did you use MapQuest? Don't forget driving SAN to ONT takes the 15 freeway while SAN to RIV takes the 215 freeway. RIV to ONT is the 215 to the 60 to the 15 to the 10. Actual ground distance could be more. It really doesn't matter, but the construction on the 215 and 60 is where the delays are. Anyways, I agree, SAN is the traffic to go for.

SBD is unacceptable because of the terrain. The decision height for the ILS (Rwy 6) is, IIRC, something like 2200' AGL, and there's no instrument approach to Rwy 24 because of the same terrain (the large mountain range).

Steve


ILS Rwy6 to SBD DH is 740 ft. The problem is the minimums are 700-2.5. 2.5 on an ILS is horrible! The GPS/NDB Rwy6 is almost better with mins of 1200-1.25.
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sun May 22, 2005 8:27 am

My dad is a pilot for ABX Air (DHL Contractor) and he said that he heard a rumor that they will be sending two 767's and three DC-9's out to March.
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sun May 22, 2005 8:39 am

Here are links to some stories about DHL's selection of the former March Air Force base site for a regional sort center.

The articles include comments from DHL officials which clearly indicate why they chose one facility over the other.

http://64.226.131.145/discus/messages/1/2205.html?1103562945
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sun May 22, 2005 8:51 am

I heard that the decision was mainly based on the condition of the airport.
 
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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sun May 22, 2005 9:16 am

Quoting Echster (Reply 17):
To where? March is about a 2 to 2.5-hour drive to San Diego and close to 60-75 minutes drive to ONT. SoCal traffic is hell, even taking the freeways all the way!

Screw "even taking the freeways all the way" make that "especially taking the freeways all the way"... Quite often I do my 35-mile-each-way commute entirely on surface streets because it takes about the same amount of time and traffic isn't nearly as bad. On more than one occassion, I've been tempted to try to find surface street alternatives to get to my Dad's place (I visit a few times a month...I think I loose 5 years on my life every time I do the 91 on a Friday night, but Long Beach is so much more fun than Temecula...)

I think this is positioning them in a great place as far as service to all of Southern California with the 60/215/91, not having to deal with having a key competitor in your back yard (not to mention lower costs of doing business...)

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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sun May 22, 2005 3:09 pm

Quoting Echster (Reply 17):
To where? March is about a 2 to 2.5-hour drive to San Diego

I used to live in the Riverside area a few years ago, and it never took me that long to get to San Diego. I did a map quest and it's only 88 miles from March ARB to San Diego, about an hour and 20 min if you are driving at the right time of day.

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RE: New DHL Hub At March ARB, CA(KRIV)

Sun May 22, 2005 3:33 pm

There are many joint use fields, Colorado Springs and Charleston, SC are the first to come to mind.
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