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Wardair's Airbuses

Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:38 pm

I'm just curious here- does anyone know what happened to Wardair Canada's Airbuses? I don't think Canadi
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RE: Wardair's Airbuses

Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:56 pm

From what I can tell Wardairs A310s have ended up with the following;
Canadian Armed Forces (5)
Royal Airlines (1)
Air Plus Comet (2)
MEA (2)
Aeroflot (2)
KTHY (1)
Thai (1) Written off Kathmandu 1992

Some look like they have been operated by Emirates at some time in between, Thai also had another that's now with the Canadian Armed forces,

Check;
http://www.bird.ch/bharms/asr_sh00.htm
 
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RE: Wardair's Airbuses

Fri Apr 14, 2000 11:56 pm

Well, the A310's were operated by Canadian for a while. They were in Ward's colours but with Canadian titles, then Canadian leased and eventually sold all of the A310's to the Canadian Government (Air Force). They currently operate as troop transports, as well as one configured for VIP transport (the Canadian Airforce One) ALso there are plans to trun some of them into tankers, for air - to - air refueling.

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As for the A300's I don't know but I would guess that most, if not all are out of service.
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Full Question

Sat Apr 15, 2000 12:43 am

Sorry- I have no clue how the question got curtailed above- I was wondering if any of the the 'Buses wound up in storage as well. Thanks
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RE: Wardair's Airbuses

Sat Apr 15, 2000 1:26 am

The KTHY (Cyprus Turkish Airlines) A310 was returned to it's lessor in May 1999 and has been is storage since. The site I mentioned above has a full history for each A310,

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RE: Wardair's Airbuses

Sat Apr 15, 2000 12:07 pm

Only four A310's were sold by Canadian Airlines directly to the Canadian Air Force (ex C-GBWD, C-GLWD, C-FWDX, C-FNWD). The remaining Canadian Air Force A310 came from Thai (ex HS-TIF) who in turn had acquired it from Canadian Airlines in May 1990 (ex C-FHWD). A minor point, but neither Wardair nor Canadian ever owned or flew A300's.
 
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RE: Wardair's Airbuses

Sat Apr 15, 2000 12:18 pm

Wardair did indeed operate A300's at one point.

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It may also interest you to know that Wardair had orders for Fokker F100's and McDonnell Douglas MD-82's, but they were cancelled after CP bought out Wardair.
 
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RE: Wardair's Airbuses

Sat Apr 15, 2000 4:16 pm

I remember reading "Wingwalkers" and it said that Canadian had a deal lined up for the 12 A310s. They would've gotten $700 million (if I can remember correctly) for them, but the deal fell through because of the Gulf War and the recession. Imagine what Canadian would be like with $700 million in cash flow back then!
 
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RE: Wardair's Airbus 300's

Sun Apr 16, 2000 1:08 am

The 2 300's that Wardair had in their fleet were leased from SAA and returned to them after the purchase by Canadian. I'm afraid I don't know their current status.
 
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RE: Wardair's Airbuses

Sun Apr 16, 2000 2:01 am

I remeber seeing one of the A310s sitting in Canadian's Toronto Hangar for a while. I believe that there were some conditions that Canadian had to meet before the aircraft could be transferred to the CF.

I have been fortunate enough to fly the A310s in both Wardair and Canadian Forces service  
 
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Thje A300's And A Bit More Info....

Sun Apr 16, 2000 7:52 am

According to "History of Airlines in Canada" a book byJohn Blatherwick, there were infact three A300's
Two of them wereA300B4's C-GIZJ, and C-GIZL. and the third one was an A300C4 C-GIZN all were returned to South African.

Also the there were 14 A310's ordered but only 12 were taken up, the other two were not accepted. As well as 8 MD-88's and * F28-0100's (F100) whose orders were cancelled in 1989.

Many people say that ONE of the major reasons that Wardair was doing badly was because Airbus offered the A310's to Wardair FREE for 12 months, so for a year WARDAIR didn't pay a penny for them, and then after that year was up, they had to pay through their teeth for those things, and it was Very Very hard to keep up with the payments.

Oddly enough Wardair was also a majar reason the Canadian failed. If they had left Wardair alone for another year, Wardair would have folded, and Canadian could have taken up any of their sched. routes and even planes, for almost nothing. But apparently there Canadian was getting false information from someone at Air Canada, that AC was looking at buy Wardair, and if CP let that happen then they would have gone under for sure. Either way CP was going to loose out, on one hand they spend tones of money to buy Wardair, or let AC buy wardair and take over some of their better routes (even though AC had not plans to do anything like that).
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