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When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 5:36 am

I have noticed that many airlines have replaced older 747s with the 777 or A340. Not many recently have replaced the older 747s with new 747-400 thus the lower number of new 747-400s being delivered. When or in what areas does the 747-400 do better than the 777 or the A340? I hope the 747ADV if launched will do well .
 
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 5:40 am

The 744 out shine 777/340 in freighter version these days!

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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
The 744 out shine 777/340 in freighter version these days!

...sorta helps that there's no 777/A340 freighters in operation, doesn't there?  Yeah sure



Anywho, for a half-way serious reply:
A 744 can "outshine" its smaller competitors in CASM when filled, on similar (medium to long) stagelengths.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 6:25 am

Existing 744 operators are hardly likely to replace their 15 year old 744s with more or less identical examples - hardly any airline has 742s or 743s to replace now.

A340s and 777s are newer technology, and can replace 744s on routes where the capacity isn't needed. A380s can replace 744s on routes where extra capacity is needed. A genuinely new technology 747 might fill the gap between them...
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 2):

...sorta helps that there's no 777/A340 freighters in operation, doesn't there?
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Well, the 777F is on the market now and a good replacement for the 742F whereas the 747ADV , should it come, at about 135 mt payload can fill the gap between the 777F and the A380F, possibly with better economics than the latter.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 6:32 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
possibly with better economics than the latter.

The forward loading cargo door of the 744F, which does not exist on the 380F, is a plus as well.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 6:57 am

As a pax whilst I love the 777 (interior) and A340 (quiet), I'm never happier than when I see that my charge for the next 12 hours is a trusty Boeing 747-400. Loking forward to my first A380 flight to see if I get a similar sensation.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 7:09 am

744s are faster than the 777 and 340 also (much faster in the case of 340 vs 744)
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 7:45 am

The B-747-400/F outshines the A-340-200/300/500/600, A-330-200/300, and the B-777-200/300/200ER/300ER/200LR/F everytime it flys! She will also easily outshine any version of the A-380.  Wink
 
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 8:13 am

KC135TopBoom. You prick. Such a promising post with you listing out all those models from your Lady Bird Aeroplane book.

Base your statements on fact. Given no pax will fly the damn A380 for another 12 or so months how do you really know this? You don't, so go away.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 8:30 am

Ok, here it goes. Boeing does not need all that much to keep the 747 line going till the 2010 747ADV EIS. They have enough orders right now to keep them going for at least half that time, and then you will have 747ADV's on the line toward the tail end taking up space, leaving a gap of MAYBE 10 planes to keep the line going (and that is stretching it). 10 744s can easily be sold as freighters, passenger aircraft or a mix of both. This is made all that much more easy by the fact that the 747-400 program has been the single most profitable program in commercial aviation history they can discount that b!tch (Wow, Freddie is inspiring me) in such a way that it will make the easyJet A319 sales team blush.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 10:36 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
The 744 out shine 777/340 in freighter version these days!

It's the hump that makes the 747 exciting. The A380 has no hump, plus it's to short for it's hight and thus looks funny. The vertical stabilizer on the A380 is way to big. All other passenger aircraft have no hump. So the 747 is still the Queen of the Skies. The other cool looking transport is the C5 Galaxy and the An 125. Mostly because they're big and the wing is on top and hangs slightly downward. The 747SP is to short and looks funny again.
 
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 1:06 pm

Any Time a 744 is at Full Capacity it's outperforming the 777/340.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
The B-747-400/F outshines the A-340-200/300/500/600, A-330-200/300, and the B-777-200/300/200ER/300ER/200LR/F everytime it flys! She will also easily outshine any version of the A-380.



Quoting Shankly (Reply 9):
KC135TopBoom. You prick. Such a promising post with you listing out all those models from your Lady Bird Aeroplane book.

Base your statements on fact. Given no pax will fly the damn A380 for another 12 or so months how do you really know this? You don't, so go away.

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But, I guess you are right. The jury is still out on the A-380, so cool your jets. I don't have or need a "Lady Bird Aeroplane book".
 
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 2:30 pm

When your walking down the terminal and you see them all there, and the 744 stands out because it's the biggest, best looking in it's size (sorry but the A380 is pretty ugly looking) and the fastest. I've never seen a 773 in person, so I guess I would be drawn to that because of it's lenght (same with the 345/6). The length of the other two is cool to see, but the 744 can hold my attention for hours.
 
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 2:30 pm

A380 is also taking away B744 orders
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 2:55 pm

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 11):
the An 125.

There is no An-125. There is the An-124 Ruslan and the An-225 Mryia (the world's largest airplane, by far).
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 3:45 pm

Quoting JAM747 (Thread starter):
When or in what areas does the 747-400 do better than the 777 or the A340?

SYD to LAX the 744 is King! Others can do it but the 744 does it in style, esp the ER. It's an example of where size really does count.
 
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Thu May 12, 2005 9:22 pm

Also in combi's of which does not (yet) exist in the 777/A340 line.
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RE: When Does B744 Out Shine B773 And A340?

Fri May 13, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 18):
Also in combi's of which does not (yet) exist in the 777/A340 line.

If you are talking about combi's as in planes that carry freight and passengers on the main deck, they are not being built any more.
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