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The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Thu May 12, 2005 1:30 pm

The Amazing Race is now over and the final episode did not dissapoint at all. The Aviation Continuity sequences continued of course: http://amazingraceaviation.blogspot.com/.

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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Thu May 12, 2005 1:33 pm

The Amazing Race 7 is over, but more is on the way. Season 8 is starting production, and Season 9 is taking applications.
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Thu May 12, 2005 1:34 pm

My only question is have you ever seen a door reopened like the SJU-MIA leg just for two pax?
 
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Thu May 12, 2005 1:35 pm

Yes. This does occur from time to time. It is unusual though.
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Thu May 12, 2005 3:16 pm

Quoting Navairjax (Reply 2):
My only question is have you ever seen a door reopened like the SJU-MIA leg just for two pax?

It happened for 4 passengers (including myself). I was on a CO flight from EWR to ORD a few years back; it was very early morning flight on the day after Thanksgiving. The long-term parking bus took forever to come. By the time we got to the gate, the plane door was closed. They reopened it for our group. Then came the kicker. We pulled out, only to get a report that a few more passengers just got to the gate. Our pilot decided to get back to the gate and take them on. We finally got going and even made it to ORD on time; funny thing was, even with the last minute tally, we were hardly 20 passengers on that 737-500.

In the case of the Amazing Race, I wonder if the producers had something to do with reopening the door. If that had not happened, the race would have been finished without any real competition.

I feel that the producers had similar "hand" in AR5, when Chip and Kim got their tickets but others were told the flight was sold out, but next thing you know, they managed to get 4 additional seats.

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Either way, I am glad it was Uchena and Joyce and not Rob and Amber! They were truly the more graceful team.

My $0.02.

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Thu May 12, 2005 4:38 pm

I think the producers got involved to have that door reopened. Door closed + gate pulled away + late flight + next flight in a couple of hours + passengers wanting on to plane have tickets on the later flight + they aren't even on the waiting list = hard to believe they would reopen that door. They didn't even show the debate with the gate agent that led to her calling the captain. Uchena and Joyce weren't the people that were able to convince people to give them what they want in that race... them convincing the gate agent to reopen the door of a flight they weren't even supposed to be on it would have made good TV if true... but it wasn't shown. I think it was rigged but I am sure Rob and Amber were looked after as part of the deal. They have their million from survivor, a couple of vacations they won, their fully paid CBS wedding, and there will probably be more now that they are celebs.
 
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Thu May 12, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 5):
I think the producers got involved to have that door reopened

Absolutely! Wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened either. If you've ever watch "Airline" on A&E, you'll have seen that dozens of times - for example when the WN sups got a flight to ISP rerouted to PVD for those oversold pax; you think that would have happened if the cameras weren't rolling? I know, it's not exactly the same thing, but close enough for government work. A rolling TV camera and production crew can work miracles.
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Thu May 12, 2005 10:27 pm

I'm sure Uchena and Joyce have the biggest thanks for the AA pilot of the 737-500 flight from San Juan to Miami. If he hadn't decided to allow the gate to re-open, Rob and Amber would've surely won. Also big thanks to the AA gate attendant.
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Thu May 12, 2005 10:28 pm

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 5):
I think the producers got involved to have that door reopened. Door closed + gate pulled away + late flight + next flight in a couple of hours + passengers wanting on to plane have tickets on the later flight + they aren't even on the waiting list = hard to believe they would reopen that door.

I fully agree with that. The examples above are all of people who were ticketed on the flight that was about to leave, not standby with tickets on the next flight. Considering all they had to do was go to a cigar store in Miami, an hour or so head start would have been fatal to the other teams, and made for a less interesting episode. Rob and Amber still could have won if they hadn't got bad directions or understood a little Spanish. Personally, I liked them. They were the only ones that treated it as a race to be won, not just to participate in. Even at the end, they were the only ones that had the balls to try to get on standby for the first flight. The other two only got the idea after they realized the Rob and Amber were able to do it.  twocents 
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Thu May 12, 2005 10:36 pm

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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Thu May 12, 2005 10:38 pm

EnviroTO, I was thinking the same thing, I would never have put the jetway back up for 2 passengers on a later flight. I think there is a lot of tinkering with how the race ends up. Another thought, would Joyce and Uchenna have thought to have stood by for the earlier flight had they seen Rob and Amber sitting in the departure hall?
 
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Thu May 12, 2005 11:10 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):
I'm sure Uchena and Joyce have the biggest thanks for the AA pilot of the 737-500 flight from San Juan to Miami.

AA does not fly 737-500s...they only have -800s.
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Thu May 12, 2005 11:36 pm

I would never have put the jetway back up for 2 passengers on a later flight. I think there is a lot of tinkering with how the race ends up

I was pulling for Rob and Amber in this one, not because they needed the million bucks, but because I thought they played the game the best. Rob brought a new level of competition to The Amazing Race, albeit somewhat sneaky and Survivor-like.

Uchenna and Joyce were clearly the most classy and appealing team though. I thought waiting to pay the taxi cab fare was truly a nice gesture and showed they were genuine (I'm sure Romber wouldn't have waiting, and neither would I have hung around for that matter).

I thought opening the aircraft door for U & J was truly a bunch of hooey. That would never have happened in the real world (for a couple of standby travellers, no less). All of this after the gate agent clearly said 'no' - my experience is that these people generally don't like to go back on their word. Reattaching the jetway and opening the door costs valuable minutes and can result in lost departure slot. It was evident to me that AA did this because either the show's producers asked them to or because they were concerned about AA's reputation and thought it would be for the best (I have to assume that all key AA staff at SJU knew the Amazing Race teams were passing through town). Without this, the end of the race would not have been in doubt so I suspect the show's producers pulled some rank on that one. Either way, I guess what goes around comes around. Rob and Amber clearly benefitted from their Survivor fame all over the world and used it to their advantage. The Amazing Race is still my favorite reality TV show for sure....

Did anyone else notice that this was the first Amazing Race to not circumnavigate the world? This race had no trans-Pacific flying.
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Thu May 12, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7):
I'm sure Uchena and Joyce have the biggest thanks for the AA pilot of the 737-500 flight from San Juan to Miami. If he hadn't decided to allow the gate to re-open, Rob and Amber would've surely won. Also big thanks to the AA gate attendant.

Umm. I saw what looked like a 737 leaving the gate, but when they were on the plane, (Shots of Rob and Amber) They were seated in a mid section of a wide body. Which mean they were on an Airbus 300-600.
Then they show various stock footage of AA planes taking off and landing, none of which matched up to an Airbus.
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Fri May 13, 2005 12:05 am

Umm. I saw what looked like a 737 leaving the gate, but when they were on the plane, (Shots of Rob and Amber) They were seated in a mid section of a wide body. Which mean they were on an Airbus 300-600.

Very good catch. I am usually aware of these types of mistakes but this one slipped through. I guess the footage of Rob and Amber sitting smugly in their seats (on a widebody) was stock footage. The aircraft trying to leave the gate was clearly a B738. I also thought they showed the interior of the 738 when Rob was putting his backpack in the overhead bin and saying he would leave it there. But if that was not the same aircraft, then someone has some explaining to do!!!

I wonder if Rob ever got the backpack back??!
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Fri May 13, 2005 12:35 am

Seriously guys. If the captain had any bit of niceness in him, he would open the door. While they are not allowed to say that they are in The Amazing Race, it is pretty obvious to any American that they are, and there is no doubt in my mind that the ticket agent knew that, and told the captain.

It is not as if the plane had backed out or was already delayed.

The producers had little, if any time, to interfere. Not to mention the fact they were nowhere near the gate area.
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Fri May 13, 2005 12:58 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 8):
The other two only got the idea after they realized the Rob and Amber were able to do it.



Quoting Seattle Ops (Reply 10):
Another thought, would Joyce and Uchenna have thought to have stood by for the earlier flight had they seen Rob and Amber sitting in the departure hall?

I dont know what final episode that YOU TWO were looking at but Uchenna's decision to check on the availability of standby tickets was almost instantaneous. As soon as they left the AA ticket counter with the Hispanic woman, Uchenna immediately suggested to Joyce on whether or not they should see if there was another flight in which they could get standby tickets. I recorded the finale so I don't know what either of you two are talking about when you claim that Rob and Amber being nowhere to be found influenced Uchenna to check to see if there was an alternate flight.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
AA does not fly 737-500s...they only have -800s.

Thanks for clearing that up because I never knew AA to have 735s.
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting Navairjax (Reply 2):
My only question is have you ever seen a door reopened like the SJU-MIA leg just for two pax?

It is the pilot's call and decision...so yes it can happen!
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 14):
Very good catch. I am usually aware of these types of mistakes but this one slipped through. I guess the footage of Rob and Amber sitting smugly in their seats (on a widebody) was stock footage. The aircraft trying to leave the gate was clearly a B738. I also thought they showed the interior of the 738 when Rob was putting his backpack in the overhead bin and saying he would leave it there. But if that was not the same aircraft, then someone has some explaining to do!!!

I wonder if Rob ever got the backpack back??!

Actually I think it's the other way around. I think the footage of the 738 is stock footage and they were actually on the A300. If you notice when he gets on the plane he asks the F/As if they're going to close the door as he walks to his seat in the middle of a widebody A/C.
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Fri May 13, 2005 2:09 am

If the captain had any bit of niceness in him, he would open the door.

Normally I have a lot of respect for your opinions, MAH, but this time I have to disagree.
I have, personally, been denied boarding at least twice because the door was "closed". Oh not the door to the aircraft (with jetway still attached) but the door at the gate. When they close this door, it is usually out of sheer luck that you'll get the airline to reopen it. So I have a hard time believing that any airline would re-attach the jetway for two passengers stuck at the gate. Closed is closed, especially when the passengers are stand-by and confirmed on a later flight!

Clearly the show had some influence here, or at least influenced the decision by AA to re-attach the jetway and open the door. BTW - the plane they showed having its jetway reattached was definitely not an A300. Hmmmm... were Rob/Amber and Uchenna/Joyce actually on different aircraft?....
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Fri May 13, 2005 2:33 am

I don't think Rob and Amber were supposed to make it on that 9:45 or whatever it was flight. Everyone at AA kept saying "too late, too late" until some yahoo screwed with the plan and let them on the flight. I'd bet the producers probably intended another round of bunching so everybody would wind up on the 11:15 deptarture and it would be a short 3-way race to the finish line in MIA/FLL. But once R&A got on the flight, the producers knew there weren't enough tasks in Florida to allow the other teams to catch up and it would be the most boring finish of any season.

This is the 2nd (and arguably 3rd) finale out of the last 3 seasons that has been decided by last-minute shady airport shennanigans. In TAR5, Brandon & Nicole and Colin & Christie got shafted by some supposed rule about having to travel with your checked bags and not being allowed on the UA flight. Um, I travel separately from my checked bags all the time as a standby, when they make a flight and I don't. Less compelling is the argument that in TAR6, Kris & Jon not once but twice got wrong info about the first arriving flight HNL-ORD.

I know that producers probably manipulate the game to some extent the whole season, but these finales are starting to feel a little suspicious. As much as I disliked Rob & Amber, I almost feel sorry for them. But then I see the promo for their wedding special and I get over it.
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Fri May 13, 2005 2:34 am

Just to clarify a bit more after looking at Tivo very carefully:

They were on an A-300 - the aircraft was 2-4-2 and R/A were in the 4-block, Joyce was in a "B" seat in the 2-block and Uchenna was right behind her in another "B" seat.

They had footage of a 737-800 shot from "above" (directly in front of the aircraft) showing the jetbridge retracting and extending.

There was another shot from the side of the nose of the A-300 (looks like it was shot from inside the jetway, maybe through a window, but not directly "through" the jetway opening) or nearby showing the jetbridge extending.

As Uchenna/Joyce are escorted down the jetway, the door is opened. It an Airbus widebody door (moves outward, then to the left, no pivoting like a Boeing narrowbody door).

As U/J enter the aircraft, they move through first class and then into the economy cabin where Amber says something like "what took you guys so long." Rob says "this sucks."
 
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Fri May 13, 2005 2:52 am

For the AirJamaica flight from Jamaica to San Juan, Rob and Amber begged to get on the earlier flight but were denied I guess because of security reasons o they ended up sharing the later flight with Ron and Kelly.

The ticket agent at the AirJamaica check-in counter told them to try the ticket office but the agent in the ticket office just glanced at them, not even answering them, leaving Rob rather frustrated.

I know security might be the main reason but why didn't the clerk in the ticket office even acknowledge them?
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Fri May 13, 2005 2:56 am

Quoting Timetables (Thread starter):
The Amazing Race is now over and the final episode did not dissapoint at all. The Aviation Continuity sequences continued of course: http://amazingraceaviation.blogspot.com/.

Enjoy.

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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Fri May 13, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 5):
I am sure Rob and Amber were looked after as part of the deal.

I'm sure you are right - not only did Rob and Amber win many vacations, many teams did not when they came in first instead of Rob and Amber.
I'm sure Rob and Amber were very good for ratings.

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 13):
I saw what looked like a 737 leaving the gate, but when they were on the plane, (Shots of Rob and Amber) They were seated in a mid section of a wide body. Which mean they were on an Airbus 300-600.

caught that too - but at least they were both AA.
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Fri May 13, 2005 3:37 am

Quoting Navairjax (Reply 2):
My only question is have you ever seen a door reopened like the SJU-MIA leg just for two pax?



Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 4):
In the case of the Amazing Race, I wonder if the producers had something to do with reopening the door. If that had not happened, the race would have been finished without any real competition.



Quoting Richierich (Reply 12):
I thought opening the aircraft door for U & J was truly a bunch of hooey. That would never have happened in the real world (for a couple of standby travellers, no less)

OK, here are a few things to consider. First, you KNOW the producers were involved. Also, don't forget that these people travel with a HUGE CAMERA next to them. So, the attendant has to give them special attention just to make sure she's not going to be in the news for doing something wrong or stupid (that's just human nature). In addition, these "stand by" passengers have paid full fare for a one way ticket, so it's not like they are traveling on an excursion, highly discounted fare. Finally, Viacom/CBS is, most likely, a corporate account for CBS and they have probably paid a TON of money to AA for their TV shows. I am sure that the captain was aware that these passengers were possibly going to be on his/her flight and this is, as someone else said, very good business for AA and very good publicity.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
Seriously guys. If the captain had any bit of niceness in him, he would open the door. While they are not allowed to say that they are in The Amazing Race, it is pretty obvious to any American that they are, and there is no doubt in my mind that the ticket agent knew that, and told the captain.

They may not have known it was specifically TAR but, as I mentioned above, they have a super camera following them everywhere, and they all mention that they are in a "race", without mentioning the actual show.

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Fri May 13, 2005 3:42 am

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 20):
some supposed rule about having to travel with your checked bags

I've worked as a gate agent, and I can tell you that that IS a TSA regulation (or at least that's what those of us on the bottom rung of the ladder were told). The loophole is that you can be INVOLUNTARILY separated from your bags, such as would happen if you're traveling standby and don't get on a flight. You cannot, however, VOLUNTARILY separate from your bags - i.e. you're traveling LGA-ORD-PHX (with checked bags) and your flight LGA-ORD gets in early, you see a flight to PHX leaving earlier than the one you're booked on, so you go over to that gate and try to get on. Now, our rule at HP is that if you're within an hour of that flights departure time, you can't get on b/c there would not be enough time to reroute your bags.

But, getting back to the topic, when the gate agent says "no" that's almost always the last word. But, given that the teams had only 1 task to perform in MIA, there had to be some interference, either by the producers or AA mgt at SJU.
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Fri May 13, 2005 4:14 am

Thanks for the clarification, Midex461. The way the rule was explained to me was simply that because of the stronger security screening for checked luggage, bags go whether I do or not. I guess that could be true for a NRSA and your explanation correct as well for revenues.

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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Fri May 13, 2005 4:18 am

I have serious issues with the events that played out at SJU at the gate when Uchenna/Joyce were allowed onboard after the aircraft had been closed for departure.

First, there had to be no doubt whatsoever that the producers were involved in this. This is an absolute given. I agree with UALFAson's assessment, that AA was asked to not let ANY team on the 945am trip even though it was "theoretically" possible to get them on. We all know that things happen differently in the Caribbean than here in the USA. Check in times don't mean squat. If you show up, you do not have checked bags, you are begging and pleading with the gate agent and the flight is NOT full, chances are they will put you on board. Why do I know this? I've been in exactly that situation in SJU and that has happened to me. So I can see how Rob and Amber made it on board. However, it is a different story when Uchenna and Joyce got to the gate.

When R&A got on board, the camera crew must have radio'd back that R&A got on the flight. Then CBS had to do everything possible to get U&J onboard. Otherwise, it would have been an exceptionally dull finish and R&A would have won, hands down.

Once R&A were on board, the jetway was pulled off the aircraft, but I am sure that flight dispatch had already contacted the flight crew indicating to hold for U and J, the gate agent had been informed to "ask the captain" and once that had been all squared away, the rest was history. Since the flight was not full, it was easy to accommodate them. Note: the early am flights from SJU are generally not full to MIA, since the cruise ships do not disembark until 9am, the 1115 flight which was delayed until 1145am would have been full with cruise passengers.

How many TSA violations were made to get these two on board? Well, probably not too many. a) no bags b) they were cleared through security c) AA allowed the change in the manifest and TSA had cleared them already to fly to MIA, so the flight they were on did not really matter. It was really up to AA to decide what to do and since AA was getting a lot of "free" publicity, I am sure there was a deal between CBS and AA to provide maximum cooperation, AA pretty much bent every rule in their book to accommodate the racers on board the flight.

Here is where I have the problem. Rob and Amber were smart enough to ask another agent, who allowed them through to get on the 945am flight. Had CBS not interfered and put Uchenna and Joyce onboard the flight, Rob and Amber would have won the Amazing Race. Only through CBS's manipulation in SJU, Uchenna and Joyce got the leg up they needed to get on board the flight to get to MIA. Once they were in MIA, it is not possible for us to know what else happened behind the scenes to either help or hinder Rob and Amber in their tasks in MIA. As I look at things, Amber got $1M from CBS for winning Survivor All Stars, so there would have been no real "excitement" if they won the Amazing Race. Yes, they had to make it through to the end, and they did that, in my opinion very well and on their own for the most part (at least from what WE could see...we don't know how much of this is manipulated for TV).
My guess is that someone had to beat Rob and Amber at the end and it made for really good TV for Uchenna and Joyce, who gave up so much along the way and started the last leg of the race with NOTHING, and who was begging for money right down to the very end, to make probably the most exciting Amazing Race finish ever.

Was this great TV? Absolutely. Was it a fair race? Nope. We can only hope that Rob and Amber are sufficiently compensated for the producers taking away their legitimate opportunity to win the $1m prize. For absent the interference of the producers in SJU, Rob and Amber would have been the winners of the Amazing Race. It would not have been particularly great TV, but for having watched how they played the game for the last 11 weeks, they certainly showed that they deserved it.

IMHO

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Fri May 13, 2005 4:22 am

It's interesting though, in the scene where Uchenna and Joyce try to get on the flight to Miami, you see one gate agent give them a firm "No" but then she proceeds to walk over to the other end of the counter and gets on the phone with someone. She could have been talking to anyone but how much you want to bet she was discussing the situation with higher-ups? Only after the first agent got off the phone did the second agent "call the pilot" and they were let on.

"Yeah we got two people down here with a camera man and they're on a reality show, we NEED to get them on this plane!"

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Fri May 13, 2005 4:33 am

Good assessment baw.
I think something 'dirty' happened with the producers affecting the outcome of the show. Its probably happened before and we never noticed but this one was extremely fishy.

I'll still be watching this show next season.
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Fri May 13, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 19):
Clearly the show had some influence here, or at least influenced the decision by AA to re-attach the jetway and open the door.

I am not denying the cameras had influence. When two people with two huge video cameras are begging to get onboard, they will. There is no doubt that when the gate agent called the pilot, she told them that they had a TV crew following them. That right there got them perferential treatment. Not the producers.

What I am saying is that CBS and the producers did not have any influence, which I strongly feel is the case.
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Fri May 13, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
If the captain had any bit of niceness in him, he would open the door.

Are things that different is Sweden? I want someone to give me an example of a flight being reopened for passengers not even on the standby list, who are booked on a flight in a few hours anyway.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
The producers had little, if any time, to interfere. Not to mention the fact they were nowhere near the gate area.

Nowhere near the gate? Have you ever heard of the telephone? No doubt the camera crew radioed back the situation to a group of waiting producers who intervened. Did you notice what a favorable edit AA received? They constantly said "American" and constantly showed AA aircraft, AA personnel, and AA signage, while depicting them as the nice carrier who let Rob, Amber, Uchenna and Joyce on the plane. Compare that most of the other carriers, where the average person probably doesn't even know who they are flying. No doubt there was some kind of agreement made.

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 16):
I dont know what final episode that YOU TWO were looking at but Uchenna's decision to check on the availability of standby tickets was almost instantaneous. As soon as they left the AA ticket counter with the Hispanic woman, Uchenna immediately suggested to Joyce on whether or not they should see if there was another flight in which they could get standby tickets. I recorded the finale so I don't know what either of you two are talking about when you claim that Rob and Amber being nowhere to be found influenced Uchenna to check to see if there was an alternate flight.

True, they went to see if there was another flight. But I took this to mean that went to see if there was another flight with another carrier. When did you hear her say they were going to try to go standby? I have no doubt that they found there was other flights, went to their gate, found out Rob and Amber weren't there, went to the other gate and found that they were on the first flight. THATS when the began to beg and plead to get on despite having been told "no" at the ticket counters.

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 28):
When R&A got on board, the camera crew must have radio'd back that R&A got on the flight. Then CBS had to do everything possible to get U&J onboard. Otherwise, it would have been an exceptionally dull finish and R&A would have won, hands down.

Exactly. How doesn't that make sense?

Personally, I think they should have private planes to take each team so they are no longer at the mercy of commercial schedules. Thus, the team that gets there first leaves first, rather than the first team waits for the plane to leave while half the other teams catch up. Of course, CBS would rather have an exciting race, so I doubt this will happen.

One question I have. Does CBS issue credit cards to the contestants to by their tickets? Does the camera man by the tickets? How does it work?
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Fri May 13, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 12):
I thought waiting to pay the taxi cab fare was truly a nice gesture and showed they were genuine (I'm sure Romber wouldn't have waiting, and neither would I have hung around for that matter).

If they wouldn't have paid the fare, they would have been disqualified.. All debts have to be settled before crossing the finish line, or their debts must have been forgiven by the debter (notice how U/J looked right into the camera and said "HE SAID WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE REST" then started to run inside the gate)... Otherwise theres no way in hell they would have paid.. They would have promised some money when they win, and ran off
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Fri May 13, 2005 5:38 am

Did you notice what a favorable edit AA received? They constantly said "American" and constantly showed AA aircraft, AA personnel, and AA signage

Erm...AA has also been a prior sponsor of The Amazing Race. All of last season's trip rewards were courtesy of AA, if you'll remember. The "favorable edit" may have been a result of that prior sponsorship rather than some far-reaching conspiracy.

It's rather funny actually....at the beginning of the race, people were certain CBS had conspired to keep Rombuh in the race. Now that the race is over, they're sure that CBS conpsired to have Rombuh lose. Which, oh which, is it. Rombuh had a "fair chance" at winning the money even if the "fix was in" to let Uchenna & Joyce on the aircraft...had Rob not bungled up in Little Havana, it might have been a different story.

One question I have. Does CBS issue credit cards to the contestants to by their tickets? Does the camera man by the tickets? How does it work?

They're issued credit cards that can ONLY be used on airfare and they can only purchase economy seats with the cards.


If they wouldn't have paid the fare, they would have been disqualified.. All debts have to be settled before crossing the finish line, or their debts must have been forgiven by the debter

Not necessarily. In AR5, Colin & Christie used a fake credit card # to obtain that car service to take them around DFW. Don't know what happened in the end there, but I'm assuming that debt wasn't settled before they crossed the finish line. Granted it didn't matter, as they had no chance of winning the race...

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Fri May 13, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 32):
hey constantly said "American" and constantly showed AA aircraft, AA personnel, and AA signage, while depicting them as the nice carrier who let Rob, Amber, Uchenna and Joyce on the plane.

American Airlines is the official airline of the show. They have sponsored the show for about 2-3 seasons now.
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Fri May 13, 2005 5:45 am

I just played back the finale and the video they showed of a jetway leaving and then reattaching to the aircraft is indeed an A300. And, as mentioned above, the interior shot was definately that of the Airbus.
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Fri May 13, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
AA has also been a prior sponsor of The Amazing Race.

Key word being "prior." They weren't a sponsor this time. Why would CBS treat them special when they apparently declined to be a sponsor this time?

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
people were certain CBS had conspired to keep Rombuh in the race.

I wasn't one of those people. I do think it was possible, too, that the camera man told the cabbie about the no debts rule to slow up Joyce and Uchenna until Rob and Amber got there, again to make it more of a race. I don't think it was fixed in a particular teams favor, but I do think they fixed it so it is closer, which in this case, I think deprived the more deserving team.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 34):
had Rob not bungled up in Little Havana

He got bad directions. Some idiot said it was at 8th and 27th, or something like that, while Uchenna and Joyce were told it was at 8th and 11th, which from what I could tell, was correct.
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Fri May 13, 2005 5:58 am

Producer interferance in the actual game would be a federal felony. The law states that in gameshows(and that is what most "reality" shows are, essentially) - the contest must be run fairly and have been actually carried out "substantially" the way it was shown on tv. They can mess with the human drama. All of the fights, etc. may have been scripted for all we know. That is perfectly legal. But if the producers did something that would actually influence the game itself, that would be illegal - especially if such interferance was not shown on TV. You legally can't change the rules in midstream to benefit a favored team. Survivor was sued over this. It is possible the producers did interfere, but either they did it in a way that would not favor one team over another or they would be commiting a crime.

I'm not denying the possibility that they interfered. I'm just saying that if they did so in a way that substantially helps one team against another, or makes the gameplay substantially different than that was shown on TV, they were running a grave legal risk.
 
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Fri May 13, 2005 6:09 am

I doubt the producers did anything, I'm sure AA told their pilots if there is a chance for a team to get on then get them on the plane. It would be very good press for American.
 
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Fri May 13, 2005 6:11 am

Cloudy has the right idea. US gameshows do indeed fall under strict guidlines for tampering. This came about in the US due to the fixed gameshows of the 50s. (Check out your video store for a movie called Quiz Show) American probably decided to help out as they had already provided several AA.com vacation packages as prizes for various legs of the race. That is simply good PR. No one wants to be known as that mean airline on TV. Plus believe it or not this loading of late pax with no bags happens fairly frequently on various carriers. When the crew knows that the flight time is padded, they will often take additional pax on board. They will be even more willing if the ACARS has already been tripped and an out time achieved. Opening the MCD again doesn't completely reset the ACARS. Sneaky things can be done with ACARS, you just have to know how to work the system.
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Fri May 13, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting Baw716 (Reply 28):
the 1115 flight which was delayed until 1145am

how do you know that flight was late, and by 30 minutes? did I miss something?

my question: when they were flying MBJ-SJU and they were going via MIA (although we viewers didn't know that at the time), I could have sworn Romber asked the JM and AA gate agents, "when is your next flight to SJU." and it seemed pretty clear to me that when the gate agents responded, they were referring to nonstop flights. oh well.

many of you may know, but there's a good thread in non-av about TAR.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/820011/

in sum, two major turning points: 1) Romber made an impulsive decision in yielding R/K instead of U/J in London. Yielding R/K accomplished nothing for them. A rare lapse in strategic judgement by Romber

2) Kelly's bad directions when driving to SJU, cost Ron and Kelly a chance at making the 10am flight to MIA, and a chance at the million bucks. way to go, Kelly.

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Fri May 13, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 38):
I'm not denying the possibility that they interfered. I'm just saying that if they did so in a way that substantially helps one team against another, or makes the gameplay substantially different than that was shown on TV, they were running a grave legal risk.

I wouln't say the producers interfered with TAR in SJU. But I wouldn't be surprised if AA was influenced in some way indirectly in SJU. I wouldn't doubt AA had the heads up that a few reality contestants were going to be running through on their way to MIA that day. Also people have a funny way of being influenced by the cameras as well.

It's obvious the game is manipulated to some degree. The schedules and pit stops are established such that all teams will come to a bottle-neck, be it a flight or a checkpoint in a location that is only open certain times of the day, that will equalize the teams. Overall it is a good show though.
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Fri May 13, 2005 7:07 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 12):
Did anyone else notice that this was the first Amazing Race to not circumnavigate the world? This race had no trans-Pacific flying.

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Fri May 13, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 37):

Key word being "prior." They weren't a sponsor this time. Why would CBS treat them special when they apparently declined to be a sponsor this time?

Not prior, they still are. Even though this season Travelocity was the main sponsor, AA was still sponsoring this season.

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 37):
He got bad directions. Some idiot said it was at 8th and 27th, or something like that, while Uchenna and Joyce were told it was at 8th and 11th, which from what I could tell, was correct.

That and the fact that they were communicating in English, not Spanish (even though Rob, IIRC, does speak some Spanish as he did in the South American portion). I knew the moment I heard they were going to Miami, that the task was going to be relatively easy, but that they would confuse them by involving Spanish. English is a second language in Miami, and that is especially true in Little Havana.
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Fri May 13, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
That and the fact that they were communicating in English, not Spanish (even though Rob, IIRC, does speak some Spanish as he did in the South American portion). I knew the moment I heard they were going to Miami, that the task was going to be relatively easy, but that they would confuse them by involving Spanish. English is a second language in Miami, and that is especially true in Little Havana.

Also note that Uchenna and Joyce's cab driver was Hispanic, and when the driver asked a pedestrian where "King of the Havanas" was, he automatically translated it to Spanish. Thus, U/J lucked out and got directions easily.

Romber's driver was Black/Caribbean, and all requests for directions were in English. Pedestrians didn't associate "King of the Havanas" with "El Rey de los Habanas." Instead, someone misunderstood and directed Romber to the Tire King. That linguistic difference between the drivers proved significant.
 
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Fri May 13, 2005 10:31 am

Thanks guys for continuing the thread; what you are discussing here is the essence of the blog; It would be nice if they could just fill in the blanks and if a 738 is leaving the gate, then that should be the plane which they show the interior, the take off and the landing at the next airport.
Yes, it was a A300-600 that they boarded, but the plane at the gate looked like a 738 with the jetway pulled.

A race around the world? Not quite at all; they also did quite a bit of backtracking; they backtracked in South Africa (JNB) and they backtracked in MIA when they went from MBJ to SJU via MIA and then back to MIA again. So it is a race around the world and they did not go between India and Chicago (they started in Chicago).

BTW in Arequipa, Peru (AQP), they held the plane for Rob and Amber much to the dismay of the others, so this would not be the first time during the show that the plane was held for contestants.

The Air Jamaica (JM) staff is like that, they don't budge for anyone; you are late, you are late, no arguments, that is the way it is. Rob was clearly late and behaved badly as the world was not moving for him...
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Fri May 13, 2005 10:44 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
That and the fact that they were communicating in English, not Spanish

Joyce and Uchenna didn't ask in Spanish, although their driver might have. (I don't recall). Did you hear either Joyce or Uchenna ask about "El Rey de los Habanas?" But that does bring up an excellent side point about the show, getting the right cabbie is one of the most important things to win.

Quoting Timetables (Reply 46):
BTW in Arequipa, Peru (AQP), they held the plane for Rob and Amber much to the dismay of the others, so this would not be the first time during the show that the plane was held for contestants.

If I recall correctly, the plane was just held. It hadn't closed and the jetway wasn't pulled back and they weren't standby. I could be wrong, but it was a slightly different situation. And again, like I said I don't think they were fixing it solely on behalf of J&U (as was mentioned, that would be illegal) , but they were fixing it to have a closer race.
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Fri May 13, 2005 11:04 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 47):
It hadn't closed and the jetway wasn't pulled back and they weren't standby.

The flight had infact closed (the airline agents made that clear to them), but there was no jetway to be pulled back  Wink
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RE: The Amazing Race Is Now Over :-(

Fri May 13, 2005 11:14 am

Sorry, I wans't paying that close of attention that episode. Too much work to be done.

Anyway, I'll reiterate, I don't think they were cheating Rob and Amber, but that they were fixing it to make sure it was a two horse race, no matter who won. I just think it is far to weird for a race to be such that if you come in second (or even much later), you leave at the same time as as the people in first place.
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