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Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 5:30 pm

TAAG, Angola's flagship carrier, will order 3 B777s and 6 B737s for delivery in 2008. The deal was closed on a visit by Angola's President to the US. TAAG does not have cash for the operation, which will be financed by the Angolan Government. Currently TAAG operates 2 B743s and 5 732s.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 6:03 pm

Great news for Boeing.
Seems like Boeing is doing extremely well in orders this year, especially the 737, 777 and 787.
According to www.justplanes.com, Boeing has 390 orders this year, with this order that would be 399 orders for Boeing this year so far.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 6:07 pm

It sounds like they are replacing the B-743s and B-732, plus an additional wide body and narrow body. Is that correct?

Do you know which model B-777 and B-737 they will order?
 
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 6:11 pm

Wow, Boeing is on a roll this year, keep it up.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 6:40 pm

Rumoured some time ago, appears that those are 777-200ER (probably used ones) and 737-700. Problem is apparently still financing.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 7:15 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 4):
Rumoured some time ago, appears that those are 777-200ER (probably used ones) and 737-700. Problem is apparently still financing.

Where are they going to find used 200ERs? I don't think any are available.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 7:24 pm

Boeing Aircraft Trading has four used 777s for sale, two of which are ERs. Probably ex United. I guess Boeing could find an additional ER stading somewhere in the desert.
 
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 7:36 pm

Quoting TR (Reply 6):
Boeing Aircraft Trading has four used 777s for sale, two of which are ERs. Probably ex United. I guess Boeing could find an additional ER stading somewhere in the desert.

They are not from Boeing, but from Bristol Assosciates. Did these just become available, because I thought Air India had claimed all the 772ERs?
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 7:38 pm

Does TAAG have a poor safety record, or am I wrong on this?
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 7:57 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 7):
They are not from Boeing, but from Bristol Assosciates. Did these just become available, because I thought Air India had claimed all the 772ERs?

You are correct Atmx2000. However they are offered for sale through Boeing.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Does TAAG have a poor safety record, or am I wrong on this?

I don´t think their safety record is poor. But check out some of the sites about safety records.
 
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 9:03 pm

Excellent news. Angola seems to be experiencing the most stable conditions for awhile with traffic to and from Luanda picking up for both business/oil and tourism purposes.

TAAG will find the 777 and 737-7 ideally suited to its routes. The 777 will provide an excellent service for Lisbon and Rio and the 737-7 ideal for intra-African routes.

Glad to see an African nation's carrier fighting back the competitors like AF and TP. More modern equipment and more peaceful times in Angola will mean good news for TAAG.
 
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 9:08 pm

399? That means they've outsold Airbus 3:1 this year.
 
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 10:14 pm

Boeing appears to be "on a roll and out of control"!!
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 11:07 pm

Hi!

That's indeed great news for TAAG. I think TAAG is doing the right thing ordering the 777 and the 737NG. The 777 will fit nicely in the long-haul network and it will have a great advantage over TAP A340! I really hope TAP starts really soon to review the long-haul equipment strategy otherwise it will start to lose market. The 737NG will be a natural choise for them.
I wonder how it will look the 777 with TAAG livery.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 11:11 pm

The question is are they used or new. A 2008 delivery dates suggests that they are new-build. Perhaps the leasing associates are placing the orders.

Good news regardless.

On another note - 400 orders and it's not even the end of May?!


In 98 they had 655 orders for the year. Looks like they're going to exceed that easily.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Thu May 12, 2005 11:11 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Does TAAG have a poor safety record, or am I wrong on this?

I don't think they have a poor safety record.

But their reliability and bill paying is another matter......
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 1:56 am

I can say about the weekly flight to GIG: Always full or at least 90% as load factor. Due to engenieering services in Angola, Odebrecht (HQ in Rio) sends a lot of employees every week thru this flight as well as directors and managers.
If TAAG can improve services to/from Angola they probably can increase service to Latin America as Brazil set a higher priority for increasing trade with Africa. Seems they have a good cargo operation too.

That's the only airline flying only to GIG and not to GRU.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 2:08 am

Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):
wonder how it will look the 777 with TAAG livery.

Absolutely GORGEOUS!, if they don't pull a Kenya Airways..


When are they getting the 777s/how much longer does TAAG plan to operate the 743s?
 
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 3:52 am

Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):
The 777 will fit nicely in the long-haul network and it will have a great advantage over TAP A340!

In what way?

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 4:09 am

Great news! Please provide a link.

There are no ex-UA 777s available currently since they have all been taken up by Varig and Air-India. I'm fairly sure that these will be newly builds. Perhaps this order will be announced at the Paris Air Show.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 4:20 am

Does TAAG serve Cuba?

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 17):
Absolutely GORGEOUS!, if they don't pull a Kenya Airways..

Clarify please....

Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):
it will have a great advantage over TAP A340!

Clairfy please....
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 4:39 am

Great NEWS! Although can you provide a link please? Big grin

Quoting Starrion (Reply 14):
In 98 they had 655 orders for the year. Looks like they're going to exceed that easily.

So Boeing has another 255 orders in the works? Who is to be the next carrier to place a large order with Boeing?

BA
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LH
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Any ideas?

Eitherway glad Boeing is having a successful yr in sales. I'm sure Airbus will catch-up at Paris.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 20):
Does TAAG serve Cuba?

TAAG's interncontinental destinations are: LIS, GIG and CDG.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
I can say about the weekly flight to GIG: Always full or at least 90% as load factor. Due to engenieering services in Angola, Odebrecht (HQ in Rio)

Interesting. Maybe with increased fleet flexibility (after delivery of the B777s) they could increase flights to GIG. RG already operated to LAD in the past. RG is responsible for the maintenance of TAAG's fleet.

Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):
The 777 will fit nicely in the long-haul network and it will have a great advantage over TAP A340!

Why?

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
Angola seems to be experiencing the most stable conditions for awhile with traffic to and from Luanda picking up for both business/oil and tourism purposes.

Well, on the other hand, I find it really sad that the Government of Angola, i.e. the population of Angola, will pay the bill for the new airplanes. I also think they could liberalise foreign airlines operations in LAD, which is severely restricted by the Angolan Government.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 9:16 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22):
The 777 will fit nicely in the long-haul network and it will have a great advantage over TAP A340!

Why

Since no one seems to response to the question raised. Here are my 2 cents.

Well technically I am not in a position to comment but as a paying passenger the 777 is my preferred choice. For a start its landings are always as smooth as a falling feather. And in a service industry, the customer is king.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 4:28 pm

Hi!

When I flew last year TAP A340 I noticed that the airplane is getting quite old, and now that I've flew the 777 I must admit that TAP using the A340 and TAAG using the brand new 777 TAP will lose competition. The version that TAP is using is the 312 and whenever we like it or not TAP A340 have been used and abused with a big load of flights everyday. Regarding space and specially taking in mind that Angola is a place that normally the planes fly full the 777 will offer a better quality space than the A340, and I'm not even talking about IFE because I don't know if TAAG will order the 777 with that option, if yes then TAP is far behind than TAAG! Some people will say that IFE doesn't really matter but for me it is matter. 3 weeks ago I flew AMS/KIX with KL 777 and return on 744 and time passed quicker on the 777 than the 744!
I hope I cleared out my point, TAP needs seriously to reshape their long-haul fleet of A310-300 and the A340-300!
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 6:01 pm

Quoting CV990 (Reply 24):
and now that I've flew the 777 I must admit that TAP using the A340 and TAAG using the brand new 777 TAP will lose competition

I disagree.

Currently VARIG uses the B777 on GIG-GRU-LIS daily (B767/MD-11 on GIG-LIS), and TAP the A340 on LIS-GRU.

TAP is still very competitive using the A340 to GRU, although RG uses the B777. Of course, RG offers IFE on every single seat, even economy. But TP has an excellent product on Business class, with lie-flat angle seats.

I dont think that TAP's A340 are so old or could no compete with the B777s. Also, TAP does not have the Portuguese Government to go there and buy new airplanes, as Angola is doing - btw, TAP is now profitable because of its hard working new management team. In this way, it also need to be very careful on its fleet planning.

Honestly, I dont think TAP should fear competition from TAAG...TAP operates at a different level, offering onward Europen connection, membership in Star, excellent safety track regord, reliability, etc.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 7:08 pm

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 23):
Well technically I am not in a position to comment but as a paying passenger the 777 is my preferred choice. For a start its landings are always as smooth as a falling feather. And in a service industry, the customer is king.

So all the airlines flying B777s aren't doing what I, as customer, want - because I prefer the A340. Kind of removes the basis for your arguement...

By the way - the 30-40 frequent flyers I know, those that fly between 100 and 200 longhauls (10+ hours) a year in either C or F class really couldn't care less whether it's a B777, and A340, a B747, and MD11 or whatever else: what they care about is the service they receive - nothing else.

Quoting CV990 (Reply 24):
must admit that TAP using the A340 and TAAG using the brand new 777 TAP will lose competition

Ok, that's more or less what I had expected - the usual "those older planes were worn and used"...

But comparing planes that were delivered some years ago with some that will be newly delivered (even if used, but most likely refurbished) and then saying that one will offer something better is like comparing the colors "black" and "white" and then being surprised that white is not as dark as black...

Essentially, the difference (or perceived advantage) is nothing that a maintenance visit or interior update would not solve.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Fri May 13, 2005 7:24 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 26):
C or F class really couldn't care less whether it's a B777, and A340, a B747, and MD11 or whatever else: what they care about is the service they receive - nothing else.



Quoting Leskova (Reply 26):
Essentially, the difference (or perceived advantage) is nothing that a maintenance visit or interior update would not solve.

I totally subscribe to the post above by Leskova. One clear example is RG, which is using the B777 on a lot of routes, but service is pale to say the least.

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Sat May 14, 2005 1:52 am

Does the B737-700 has the range to fly from LAD to LIS, MAD, FCO, ATH, CAI, SSA, REC non-stop?
Since is a twin-engine jet, doesn't the B777 have problems flying non-stop LAD <> GIG ?
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Sat May 14, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 28):
doesn't the B777 have problems flying non-stop LAD <> GIG ?

I dont think so. The distance is about the same of LAD-LIS. Anyone with the total miles?

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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Sat May 14, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 29):
I dont think so. The distance is about the same of LAD-LIS. Anyone with the total miles?

But in LAD <> GIG the flight is all over the Atlantic.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Sat May 14, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 28):
Since is a twin-engine jet, doesn't the B777 have problems flying non-stop LAD <> GIG ?



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 29):
I dont think so. The distance is about the same of LAD-LIS. Anyone with the total miles?

No issue with LAD-GIG, it is within easy ETOPS 180 and actually within ETOPS 138. The distance is 3351nm, less than half the 772ER's over 7700nm range.

LAD-LIS is 3110nm, BTW.

Of 2travel2know's list, CAI/REC/ATH should be within the 73W's range
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Sat May 14, 2005 6:23 am

If this news it true, its quite a step forward for TAAG - they will have a cutting edge fleet. Its one giant step from 732/743s to 73Gs/772ERs....I assume TAAG will expand its route system to put the new aircraft to work; is there adequate demand?
 
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Sat May 14, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 32):
If this news it true, its quite a step forward for TAAG - they will have a cutting edge fleet. Its one giant step from 732/743s to 73Gs/772ERs....I assume TAAG will expand its route system to put the new aircraft to work; is there adequate demand?

There is definitley demand for a weekly flight to Houston. Getting approval and Angola into Cat. I is another story.

Great to see TAAG renew their fleet. I've flown them on GIG-LAD. Not a bad airline.
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RE: Taag Orders B777 And B737

Sat May 14, 2005 6:18 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
I've flown them on GIG-LAD. Not a bad airline.

Indeed, TAAG does not have a bad reputation both in Brazil and Portugal. It also seels a lot of its ticket on GIG-LAD to Brazilian infra-structure companies doing business in Angola, plus the oil business.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
No issue with LAD-GIG, it is within easy ETOPS 180 and actually within ETOPS 138. The distance is 3351nm, less than half the 772ER's over 7700nm range.

LAD-LIS is 3110nm, BTW.

Thans for the info. I thought so, even because RG uses the B772 non-ER across the Atlantic on routes GRU-LIS and GRU-MAD, which is just at the limit of the flight range!

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