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Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 1:46 am

Is it true that airlines don't allow (or frown upon at least!) their pilots to have beards as it prevents the oxygen mask fitting properly should the need arise???
 
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:51 am

It is true..............
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:53 am


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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
Some good Pilots are Sikh,& some good friends are Sikh too.

I'm not trying to be clever or racist, just a old boy in the pub I know who used to fly for BA years ago told me.
 
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 2:11 am

With a beard, you will probably get a slightly worse fit, especially if the beard is well under the chin. However typically airline oxygen masks are used to dispense oxygen, not hold out tear gas. So a small leak is no biggie in these applications.
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Fri May 13, 2005 2:37 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
With a beard, you will probably get a slightly worse fit, especially if the beard is well under the chin. However typically airline oxygen masks are used to dispense oxygen, not hold out tear gas. So a small leak is no biggie in these applications.

It should prevent smoke from entering the mask and it wouldn't be tight especially in pressure breathing.
I remember my first time to scuba dive and I had a mustache...the mask leaked like a sieve
 
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 2:44 am

Flying recently CSA ATR-42 our pilot had HUGE beard. I mean something sumular to ZZ Top (but not that long). That was the first pilot I've seen with the beard.

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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 11:19 am

Our airline (KE) allows small neatly trimmed beards. No major biggie - just not very common amongst pilots.
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 11:56 am

Hawk, thanks for those photos!

Drinkstrolley wasn't being clever or racist, he has a good point. As I too have never seen a (long) bearded pilot. I have only heard of Sikh pilots but then those could be Sikhs who are clean shaven (Such as it was the case with a Sikh relative of mine who was a pilot).

Lindy, that is interesting!
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Fri May 13, 2005 12:56 pm

There is another "bizarre but true" reason why, at least historically, pilots were discouraged from having beards. Back in the days before peanuts on aircraft were politically incorrect, it used to be common practice for pilots to munch on these things all the time. This would leave a peanut oil residue on the beard, and it was thought in an emergency situation where the oxygen masks were deployed that an oily beard + oxygen = fire risk!

How much of an actual risk was posed, we can only speculate.
 
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 1:09 pm

I remember reading a while back in the RAF policy regarding beards saying they have to be neatly trimmed in order for safety equipment to be fitted properly.

There is nothing wrong with a beard. I have one now in the mould of Carl Hayman, the All Black prop. The only grief this beard gives me is that it itches some times.

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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 1:36 pm

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 3):
I'm not trying to be clever or racist, just a old boy in the pub I know who used to fly for BA years ago told me.

Relax, I totally understand your question.  Smile

Quoting Gasman (Reply 9):
This would leave a peanut oil residue on the beard, and it was thought in an emergency situation where the oxygen masks were deployed that an oily beard + oxygen = fire risk!

Very Interesting point.
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Fri May 13, 2005 2:13 pm

Quoting Zeekiel (Reply 10):
I remember reading a while back in the RAF policy regarding beards saying they have to be neatly trimmed in order for safety equipment to be fitted properly.

Also more for maintaining the professional image of the airline and pilots. I've read some airlines' flight manuals and I've always read that mustaches and beards must be grown during their time off and must be fully grown in by the time they report back to work.
 
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 6:46 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 12):
I've always read that mustaches and beards must be grown during their time off and must be fully grown in by the time they report back to work.

Thats what my Boss tells us out here.  Smile
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Fri May 13, 2005 6:49 pm

It's not for the oxygen masks, it for smokehoods - the thing can't seal properly if one is a bearded leftie. BA's Sikh pilots and cabin crew get special dispensation I think, not only for their beards, but also for turbans - BA do a crew turban with a BA badge on.
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Fri May 13, 2005 6:51 pm

As long as there's no female pilots with beards  Wink
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Fri May 13, 2005 9:36 pm

An aviation mag cover photo from 1993 I had in sight featured an AY MD-11 captain in the simulator with a (trimmed) whole beard and moustache.
 
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Sat May 14, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 5):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 4):
With a beard, you will probably get a slightly worse fit, especially if the beard is well under the chin. However typically airline oxygen masks are used to dispense oxygen, not hold out tear gas. So a small leak is no biggie in these applications.

It should prevent smoke from entering the mask and it wouldn't be tight especially in pressure breathing.
I remember my first time to scuba dive and I had a mustache...the mask leaked like a sieve

Well, when you scuba dive exterior pressure is higher, forcing water into a mask that is not tight. With an aviation mask, positive pressure can easily be achieved, keeping out the smoke despite some leaks.
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Sat May 14, 2005 3:46 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 14):

Thats very accomodating and very interesting. I think Malaysia airlines has similar accomodation for their Sikh pilots (or maybe I am thinking of a wrong airliner here)

I know that my Sikh relative was given a lot of grief over his beard and turban in the US, spineless as he is (or maybe he just loved his career a lot), he gave up the turban and started shaving.
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Tue May 17, 2005 11:26 pm

Quoting BandA (Reply 18):
I know that my Sikh relative was given a lot of grief over his beard and turban in the US, spineless as he is (or maybe he just loved his career a lot), he gave up the turban and started shaving.

I know one that Started trimming his hair after a Dandruff problem troubled him a lot.
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RE: Pilot's With Beards

Wed May 18, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting Gasman (Reply 9):
This would leave a peanut oil residue on the beard, and it was thought in an emergency situation where the oxygen masks were deployed that an oily beard + oxygen = fire risk!

That's completely bizarre, if true! Peanut oil = extremely difficult to ignite casually. Oxygen concentrated + miniscule spark = inferno!

I wonder where the rationale behind that came from!
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