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Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 3:36 am

The Dutch TV reports that Onur air has not only lost its traffic rights in The Netherlands but also in Germany. Can anyone confirm this?
 
Chiguire
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:02 am

That's correct. According to an article in the Handelsblatt:
(in German)
http://www.handelsblatt.com/pshb/fn/...!200012,200040,898695/SH/0/depot/0
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:06 am

The ministry of transportation revoked the traffic rights due to safety reasons. No further comment was made.
There is nothing said if it's temporarily or permanent and if they have time - as in the Netherlands - to prove that they are save.
As far as I understand that, no more Onur Air flights are allowed to Germany with immediate effect.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:06 am

Im surprised they still have rights to land in ZRH. They come several times a day with A300 and A321.


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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:10 am

I guess it's a matter of time.....and the end of Onur.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:36 am

Wonder if the British authorities are paying attention to this at all. Onur are down to operate a few flights from the Uk this summer...
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:47 am

Surprisingly quick reaction by the authorities here. By coincidence, that topic came up just on Monday in a short article saying that EU countries should cooperate better.

It's hard to believe that Onur will survice this since there is pressure now on the rest of the EU to follow suit.
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:51 am

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 5):
Wonder if the British authorities are paying attention to this at all. Onur are down to operate a few flights from the Uk this summer...

I think Onur will be the prime football charter airline if the Italian and British don't ban them before the Champions League Final in Istanbul (they have plenty of excess capacity nowadays)
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 4:55 am

Their Airbusses are regular visitors in Austria as well, even myself flew with them to AYT and back... Now it comes back to my mind... Our flight AYT-VIE was more than 7 hours delayed, nobody told us why... Shortly after take off, the captain appologized for the delay and told us, that the plane was grounded in Istanbul due to technical problems... I don't like saying things like that, but I think it's only a matter of time until the first Onur Air-plane will crash...  worried 
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 5:57 am

This can be a final blow for Onur Air. Onur currently operates around 300 flights in Europe per week, with the majority of them to German destinations.

Cheers!
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 5:57 am

What about the MD88 mishap at Groningen?.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:08 pm

Onur Air is one of the best Airbus user in the world.

The decisions of the Dutch's and German's are not fair!!!!

It is a bullshit...
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:17 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 11):
Onur Air is one of the best Airbus user in the world.

The decisions of the Dutch's and German's are not fair!!!!

It is a bullshit...

Because they use one of the oldest A-300 around here. Don't think that they're unsafe (especially the newer A-321's) but the old A-300's might be questionable.
It's better to act now before a chrash will happen than after many lost their life.

What will happen to the tourists going back from Turkey to the home-destinations?
Would'nt be good to send more unsafer planes than the ones which were banned from Germany and the Netherlands.

Summarizing I would say this will be the end of OHY, because the big media coverage will influence the customers more than a re-allowance for OHY to enter Germany.

Georg.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:19 pm

I think soon the only place they won't be banned from is Turkey!!
(or are they banned from there too???) Big grin

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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:22 pm

ooo come on georg..


then stop all the flights made by A300s , 747-100s 747-200s 727s DC-9s
DC-10s........


it is really a mysterious decision.. I think someone is acting a game.

I don't know..

I hope Onur will fly more.....
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:23 pm

That announces the shut down of Onur Air, a great name in the Turkish aviation scene anyway !!! Aircrafts will be rushed on by new start-ups...
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:28 pm

It is big in the media meanwhile. The ban is indefinitely and it will be hard to believe to see them back. The German LBA (CAB) is following their Dutch colleagues and take the Dutch decision from Tuesday as a base for their decision.

It is said that the airline had enough warnings and if they can't get their act together or don't have the money to operate properly, than that's it.
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:30 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 11):
Onur Air is one of the best Airbus user in the world.

The decisions of the Dutch's and German's are not fair!!!!

It is a bullshit...

You know what? I kind of trust the decision of the European aviation authorities more than your statement, which is influenced by national pride...
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:33 pm

I found the real reason why Onur is stopped...


1 million of pax will fly between Turkey and Netherlands and 900.000 pax will be carried by Turkish companies. (400.000 pax by ONUR AIR)

I am sure netherland authorities want their companies to carry more pax so that they stopped Onur Air..

who knows may be they will also not let Turkish Airlines to fly to Netherlands anymore....
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 9:43 pm

I think the German authoritis are quick to act over Turkish charter airlines with questionable safety standards after that Birgenair 757 that crashed while flying a full load of german holidaymakers home on a charter flight from the Dominican Republic.

However, I think Onur is a good airline with good safety standards and also provides a high quality service for a foreign charter carrier.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 10:02 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 18):
I found the real reason why Onur is stopped...


1 million of pax will fly between Turkey and Netherlands and 900.000 pax will be carried by Turkish companies. (400.000 pax by ONUR AIR)

I am sure netherland authorities want their companies to carry more pax so that they stopped Onur Air..

who knows may be they will also not let Turkish Airlines to fly to Netherlands anymore....

Well, you spoke about BS before.

If ONUR thinks that's the way it has been done they have the right to challenge the decision in the courts and if there was any bias they even have the right to sue for compensation.

That is because the Netherlands and Germany are states under the rule of law, which, by the way, is a mandatory requirement to join the EU. Takes some changes in peoples minds as well.......
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 10:22 pm

Emrecan,
We have your opinion against a civil aviation .. wait two civil aviation authorities. Guess which one we are going to believe more? Unfortunatelly conspiracy theories like yours are very popular in Turkey these days. On top of that it's not easy to see the big picture.

Look at all the accidents/incidences that took place in last 2 years. Visit some online websites where people talk about their flight experiences (www.carsurvey.com comes to mind) and see what they say about the airline.

With all those runway run offs, technical problems, modus operandi they do not sound like a well run airline to me.

Despite the stars and stripes that you see in my profile (because that's where I live) I happen to be Turk as well. Contrary to you I am not a victim of my foolish nationalistic pride.

I am expecting Fly Air to follow the same destiny too.

Take care..

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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 11):
Onur Air is one of the best Airbus user in the world.

They operate some 20 Airbus aircraft, not an outstanding number.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 11):
The decisions of the Dutch's and German's are not fair!!!!

How do you know? They certainly have a reason to ban them. Germany and the Netherlands are no banana republics where authorities do what they want.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 11):
It is a bullshit...

The real BS would be a crash as it happened with that crappy Birgenair B757s some years ago.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 14):
then stop all the flights made by A300s , 747-100s 747-200s 727s DC-9s
DC-10s........

Why? If they are well maintained they are just fine.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 14):
it is really a mysterious decision.. I think someone is acting a game.

Certainly not.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 18):

1 million of pax will fly between Turkey and Netherlands and 900.000 pax will be carried by Turkish companies. (400.000 pax by ONUR AIR)

And then tell me why they haven't banned all the other Turkish operators? There are quite many.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 18):
who knows may be they will also not let Turkish Airlines to fly to Netherlands anymore....

I doubt that.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 19):
However, I think Onur is a good airline with good safety standards and also provides a high quality service for a foreign charter carrier.

Can we as passengers really judge what's going on?



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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 10:51 pm

I am sorry but you can believe whatever you want..

Numbers are very clear...

It is an economic decision not a safety decision..

If you cannot see this it is your problem..


by the way UDO:Can we as passengers really judge what's going on?


if you ask this question, why did you try to answer me sentence by sentence?

are you an authority??
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 10:55 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 23):

It is an economic decision not a safety decision..

I don't see any Dutch or German airline struggling due to the threatening force of Onur Air. And even if, the authorities would not act that way.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 23):
If you cannot see this it is your problem..

If you believe what you want to believe, it's your problem.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 23):
by the way UDO:Can we as passengers really judge what's going on?

I meant we cannot judge the aircraft's technical condition when we are on board. The safety task forces can.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 23):
are you an authority??

No, but I trust the Luftfahrtbundesamt.


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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 10:57 pm

Udo...

if it is my problem why you are jumping very quickly to answer?????
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 18):
I found the real reason why Onur is stopped...

You have a source? Link or anything?

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 18):
1 million of pax will fly between Turkey and Netherlands and 900.000 pax will be carried by Turkish companies. (400.000 pax by ONUR AIR)

Good for Onur Air Flying 400,000 pax on poorly maintained aircraft...

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 18):
who knows may be they will also not let Turkish Airlines to fly to Netherlands anymore....

Turkish seem to be able to keep there aircraft in good maintained condidtion.. hense no reason to banned them

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 14):
it is really a mysterious decision.. I think someone is acting a game

Not at all... They dont do it out of enjoyment.. Remember the airports that serve Onur will not benefit either

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 11):
The decisions of the Dutch's and German's are not fair!!!!

Then putting the pax lives at risk with poorly maintained aircraft is fair?

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 11):
It is a bullshit...

Nope but your comments are...
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:02 pm

Pilot kaz..

We also can see your comments  Smile

how great they are
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:04 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 25):
if it is my problem why you are jumping very quickly to answer?????

Probably because you asked me several questions last time?


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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 27):
We also can see your comments


Thats the whole point in posting.......

But im not the one going against 2 FAA's here..........
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:06 pm

before the last time???
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:07 pm

I am working in aviation industry and frankly know a little more about aicraft systems than most others. I do not agree with the reasons for revoking the landing rights for Onur air..

I qoute one of the Dutch Airwothiness agents on de Dutch TV... "the latest incident in which a pilot had to abort the take-off because a thrust reverser warning came on was the limit, if it happened in flight it could have resulted in an accident..." that's why this bloody warning is installed, to inform the pilot of a degraded system... in case of another failure in the system, the reverser could deploy...

Maybe it is time to send some of these people on a JAR-66 maintenance training course to get some knowledge of aircraft... The type of training the JAA themselves has been amending for all ground engineers working with transport type aircraft...
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:12 pm

Emrecan, I am very glad for the sake of aviation safety that you are not working in a regulatory agency, because your sickening national bias would probably put thousands of passengers at risk.

But as long as you just spin your little conspiracy stories here in the forums, where they are just amusing and not adding to your credibility, and the safety agencies can do their work, I and every other passnger can feel safe.  Big grin
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:18 pm

TriStar500

please read what Alessandro wrote.......

please understand what I try to say

I want to say Onur Air is safe but because of economic reasons it is try to be shown as an unsafe airline...


now did you understand what I said???

I've never told here security is not important..

please understand what I say and then try to answer me....
best regards...
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:24 pm

I would not have any reservations about flying Onur Air. The UK CAA seem happy with them and I think they are a good charter carrier.

I think the German and Dutch banning of Onur Air aircraft does seem a drastic measure but of course we may not be privy to the information/facts they have to hand. I hope Onur Air will pass through this difficult period and continue to take a share of the ever increasing charter traffic to the lovley Turkish resorts.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 33):
please read what Alessandro wrote.......

please understand what I try to say

I want to say Onur Air is safe but because of economic reasons it is try to be shown as an unsafe airline...

If Onur Air were safe, the German authority (Luftfahrtbundesamt) wouldn't ban them. They have excellent task forces checking dozens of aircraft every day. I'm glad we have authorities which ACT when they find it necessary. I wish they had acted earlier against Birgenair.

And please tell me: WHICH airline is currently suffering from Onur Air? If you say it's a "economic decision" - then tell me who is the one being supported? Condor? Hapag? Air Berlin? LTU? They are all doing well, so who is it?


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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:30 pm

Today, Switzerland has also banned Onur Air from landing on its territory!

The link for the media release (in german or french only):
http://www.aviation.admin.ch/aktuell...teilungen/00890/index.html?lang=de
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:30 pm

400.000 pax.. is it a bad number of pax for an airline???

please udo tell me,

one month ago Onur was safe and in 1 month it became unsafe?

is it possible?

germans came to Turkey and checked onur's maintanance hangars?

I am sorry but I never believe this decision is about safety..I respect your opinion.. why dont you respect mine???????
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 37):
400.000 pax.. is it a bad number of pax for an airline???

But there's no reason for other airlines to be scared of Onur Air.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 37):
one month ago Onur was safe and in 1 month it became unsafe?

is it possible?

Well, even one day before a crash an airliner can still be safe...
And probably Onur have more than once violated safety regulations.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 37):
germans came to Turkey and checked onur's maintanance hangars?

No, but the task forces of the Luftfahrtbundesamt have authority to check any kind of aircraft operating to German airports. And if they find continuous safety violations, they can punish the operator.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 37):
I am sorry but I never believe this decision is about safety..I respect your opinion.. why dont you respect mine???????

I respect you and your opinion which doesn't mean I have to agree with you.


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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:44 pm

Emrecan,
if you are posting your opinion here, then you have to live with the comments!

You were asked before but couldn't answer. If the decision was influenced by economic reasons, where are they?
AFAIK there is no overcapacity in the market, at least not in Germany. Lot's of German passengers are affected by this development. So the authorities for sure had a reason for this.
Please stop whining about the alleged discrimination against Turkey or Turkish companies.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Fri May 13, 2005 11:55 pm

Emrecan,

With all respect, but you are definitely wrong with this issue. We are now speaking of EU countries and not of any Banana countries ruled by dictator xxxx. May I ask how much you know of the operation of flight safety authorities in Europe or Turkey?

Those authorities aren't run by politicians and their aim is not to make profit either. Their only job is to look after the airlines that they follow international safety standards. Those authorities perform randomly so called "ramp-checks" to the aircrafts during turnaround and inspect that everything is as it should: licenses, technical log, general condition of the aircraft etc... If they find that something is seriously wrong then the aircraft is grounded temporarily and airline perhaps banned from their airspace.

Aviation authorities get their revenues from landing and navigation fees so could you tell how decreasing traffic is going to benefit these authorities or countries? They don't care if the airline is from Europe, Turkey or the democratic alien republic of moon as they got revenues from every flight despite the origin of the airline.

It is not a surprise that other countries are following the decision of Dutch flight safety authorities to ban Onur Air from their airspace. As far as I know, the new legislation of EU says that if one member country bans an airline others should follow with similar decision.

Emrecan, before making such a claims I would suggest get the facts right. In commercial aviation there isn't space for national pride, especially when we are talking about safety. I'm sure that Turkish authorities had grounded Onur Air as well even without hesitation if the airline had failed ramp check there in Turkey.

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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 12:29 am

I once had the plasure of working with Onur Air, winter 2000.

I operated one round trip on TC-ONK.

Company regulations and practices were quite different to what we regularly have in Europe. CRM was horrific, with flight deck under the impression that they actually were God.

One flight was enough, never again !
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 12:41 am

So it seems as it is only a matter of time until they will be banned through out Europe.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 33):
I want to say Onur Air is safe but because of economic reasons it is try to be shown as an unsafe airline..

That's hilarious.

Let's face it: Every time a Turkish airline is shut down/goes bancrupt/disappears, at least two new ones pop up and take over the business (and quite often aircrtaft and personnel). So what would be the benefit for Germany and the Netherlands ? Is your assumption that all of Onur's traffic will be picked up by German and Dutch carriers ? That has never happened in the past and will never happen in the future. A high percentage of tourist travel to Turkey is done by German airlines already because of preferences of the travelling public. Turkish airlines have a high percentage of ethnic traffic and pick up the rest of the tourist traffic, mainly for smaller tour operators and to a very limited extent for the market leaders (who usually only contract Turkish airlines to cover peak demand). Within a few weeks we will see two or three new Turkish airlines or will find out that Onur Air's fleet has found a new home at some other Turkish airlines. And the trouble will start all over again within months - think about Birgenair, Alfa Air, Holiday Airlines and and and.

Get real, Onur Air is just another small carrier and certainly not worth a diplomatic row. We are not talking about Turkish Airlines or Lufthansa.

And, by the way, no, the German and Dutch aviation authorities are not run by politicians and with a political agenda in mind. Obviously it is different in Turkey, otherwise it is difficult to understand your comments.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 12:56 am

There were two Onur Air flights to/from BSL today (both with the A-321). Both flights operated normally.

I think Switzerland overreacts a bit if they ban Onur Air completely. As far as I know their Airbus fleet is in good condition and maintained well. I support however if they ban the L-1001 and A-300s.

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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 1:50 am

Yesterday I saw an Onur Air A300 taking off from BEY at around 5 pm. I don't know what kind of flight it was since it wasn't in the schedule. Could it be that it was here for maintanance or a check?
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 2:00 am

If OHY is in a position to rectify its problems, fine ! Let them do their "homework", let it get inspected by the relevant authorities and they decide if they lift their ban.
As it was said in the statement of the Swiss CAB (BAZL), the problems found by the Dutch CAB may not published due to reasons of data protection. They also state, that they (= the BAZL) have carried their last inspection in December 2004; those problems found were rectified immediately, which puts a positive light on OHY IMO.
However, the fact of wetleasing those L-1011 from obscure sources puts a shadow over them - this might not have been a wise decision ...

I agee, that in general no Dutch or German (charter) carrier would be able to take over the complete operation of OHY to these two countries (plus Switzerland now); who may benefit in the short term are those (sub-charter) companies providing quick response service; these are mainly found in Spain and the U.K. ...
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 2:12 am

by the way, the Birgenair accident happened because there was no comparator onboard the 757 a/c. This prompted the equipment to feed from only one pilot's side, and unfortunately this was the blocked pitot/static side....

Turkish charters are obviously economy oriented, yes some of them have lower maintenance stadards than others. I don't think that any of the short cuts OHY have taken are life threatening, reverser doors unlocking? lights coming on? I mean things like this happen, TWA 717 had one unlock because they used the MD pin system on the 717 and one of the pins were left unlocked after maintenance, the 767 over thailand i believe deployed and broke up in flight.... those airlines dont get banned from those nations. Whether it's an economical tactic or not, i have just receieved information that the ban is for ONE MONTH so far. I don't know what will happen after this period, just pasing on some info for those interested.

I do recall Airbus giving awards to Onur for their operations of A320/A321 a/c, i suspect the issue is more with the A300s and the older MDs.

be safe
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 2:40 am

German TV news are reporting that Turkish authorities do not give landing permits to the replacement flights.
That is very cheap and puts Turkey and it's authorities in a very bad light. The country itself will suffer most as tons of tourists will be rebooked to other Mediterranean destinations if this situation continues.
I think Turkey needs the tourism industry but the tourism industry has alternatives.
 
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RE: Onur Also Banned In Germany?

Sat May 14, 2005 3:44 am

This is definitely difficult situation for all passengers who have booked flights on Onur Air... I hope the airline will get its problems sorted out soon and will operate normally after the ban is withdrawn.

I was wondering does anyone have information what Dutch authorities found when they banned Onur flights? It must have been something very serious as this is quite a strict action against the airline indeed, but I'm sure it was for a good reason. Considering this whole thing I personally believe that it could more have to do with the operational procedures of the crew than the condition of the aircraft... or it could be a combination of both. If there is only some technical issues with the aircraft, I thought that only that aircraft or all of same type would be grounded until problems are fixed rather than ban the whole airline. Just a pure speculation of course, I could be totally wrong as well...

Best Regards,
FinnWings

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