Lear777
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Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 3:55 am

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050512/cgth043a.html?.v=1

Good news for Hobby, which has been stagnant for several years. It'll be nice to have the YX 717s and their ridiculously good service serving Houston.

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FlyingTexan
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 3:57 am

Finally! Now we will see 2 carriers’ 717s at Hobby.
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COfaninBOS
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:24 am

Bummer. Was hoping YX would choose IAH over HOU. Would be nice to see YX at Terminal A.

I guess Hobby needs something other than WN.
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:28 am

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 2):
I guess Hobby needs something other than WN.

Well they get AA, DL, and FL.
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greenguy01
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:33 am

How long until NW starts this route also?
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BOSPMV
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Greenguy01 (Reply 4):
How long until NW starts this route also?

why would NW start a route into HOU, when they have a partnership with CO, which is based out of IAH?
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:42 am

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 5):
why would NW start a route into HOU, when they have a partnership with CO, which is based out of IAH?

There is a suspicious amount of new NW service – not only from Milwaukee – that is started to ‘compete’ – a la American’s practices. I seem to recall them beefing up Reno service when QQ came to MSP. I specifically recall them scaling back that service once QQ pulled out of MSP subsequently raising fares and lowering frequency of service.
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n917me
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:44 am

I'm extremely pleased to announce that Midwest Airlines is taking off for a
new destination. Beginning July 10, we're launching nonstop Signature
Service to Houston -- our third Texas destination. Our 20th Boeing 717
aircraft, which will be delivered in early July, will provide the capacity
that makes this service possible.

Our twice-daily service will be to Houston Hobby (HOU) -- one of the city's
two major airports and the favorite among business travelers. It is located
just seven miles south of downtown Houston, near the major highway leading
to NASA Johnson Space Center. It is also popular with leisure travelers,
who appreciate its convenience to tourist spots -- including the historic
coastal city of Galveston and the Gulf Coast area where many Midwesterners
spend their winters.

You might be interested to learn that Hobby served as the base of
operations for Howard Hughes' earliest aviation adventures and was briefly
named after him in the 1930s. Its current name honors former Texas governor
William P. Hobby.

This is an excellent opportunity for Midwest Airlines. Not only is it one
of the largest cities in the U.S., it is also one of the 25 top
destinations for Milwaukee travelers. No other airline offers nonstop
service between Milwaukee and Houston Hobby. While Continental does offer
nonstop service between Milwaukee and Houston Bush Intercontinental, our
88-seat jets featuring Signature Service are a superior product to
Continental's 44-seat regional jets -- especially on trips of this length
(2 hours, 40 minutes). Additionally, there is no nonstop service between
Chicago O'Hare and Houston Hobby, which provides us the opportunity to
attract Northern Illinois travelers.

With the new service to Houston, Midwest Airlines and Midwest Connect will
offer nonstop service to 47 destinations from Milwaukee -- more than any
airline serving the Milwaukee airport. And Houston-departing travelers will
now have access to more than 30 cities nationwide via our customer-friendly
Milwaukee hub.
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting N917ME (Reply 7):
Additionally, there is no nonstop service between
Chicago O'Hare and Houston Hobby,

now you've done it. someone at American will be paying attention and this will be announced in just a matter of a week. haha. ;p
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:57 am

It will be much nicer if and when YX gets rid of the -80s for bigger planes like they want to do, get some cities that are west of the rockies. Heard a rumor from an -80 captain, but you guys wouldn't like it.
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting Lear777 (Thread starter):
It'll be nice to have the YX 717s and their ridiculously good service serving Houston

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greenguy01
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 5:05 am

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 5):
why would NW start a route into HOU, when they have a partnership with CO, which is based out of IAH?

NW has been the big bully at MKE against YX and more recently at IND against TZ. I wouldn't put it past NW to add some service on this route even if they do have a partnership with CO.
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 5:09 am

Its about time that Houston get new carriers, and its about time that YX flies here. I personally am glad they chose Hobby; this decision could have been made due to lack of gate space at IAH though. Continental has been using Terminal A apron for boarding of their ERJs--supposedly as a 'defend the turf' move. If JetBlue starts service to Houston my guess is that they would serve Hobby.
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 6):
There is a suspicious amount of new NW service – not only from Milwaukee – that is started to ‘compete’ – a la American’s practices. I seem to recall them beefing up Reno service when QQ came to MSP. I specifically recall them scaling back that service once QQ pulled out of MSP subsequently raising fares and lowering frequency of service.

Or that time Frontier launched LAX-MSP, and they launched DEN-LAX... that was only what a year ago? They dont fly DEN-LAX anymore, and F9 doesnt fly LAX-MSP anymore. They fiercely defend their hubs.

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n917me
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 5:11 am

Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 9):
It will be much nicer if and when YX gets rid of the -80s for bigger planes like they want to do, get some cities that are west of the rockies. Heard a rumor from an -80 captain, but you guys wouldn't like it.

There has been alot of discussion of this. YX admittedly made a mistake with the 717's. They were looking at the Airbus A319/320, however decided to go with the Boeing product. They are looking at replacing the 80's....with the 90's (maybe when DL rids them of their fleet). Personally, I would have chosen the Airbus.

It is great to hear that we are FINALLY going into a new city.
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 5:16 am

What they need to do is upgrade those 80s. YX can't afford to get something bigger but an upgrade of the 81s and 82s to 83s would increase their takeoff weights by quite a bit and allow them to carry more fuel. They could even add more fuel tanks with some modifications. If they would've thought of this before decimating their maintenance force they would be in much better shape. As for rumors from a YX captain, I hate to say it but their are so many rumors that have been circulating for years through that group that most are untrue. If its concerning possible Airbus A320 family aircraft, think again. One was in the hangar before the 717s were announced as a market study. Frequent flyers were brought in to look at the first class interior and provide input on the middle seat mostly. This was while YX was trying to decide on the 717 or A318. Its believed it was mostly a ploy to get a better deal from Boeing and it seemed to work. The 717 was YX's aircraft of choice from the get go and there was posters of it in YX's older colors floating around years before they decided to order it.
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 5:37 am

Since when did CO Express start flying 44 seat planes? IAH-MKE are all flown with 50 seat ERJs.

Additionally, while there are no flights between Hobby and ORD, there are plenty of WN flights between Hobby and Midway.
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 5:50 am

Unless Continental or Northwest relentlessly battle YX--they should be very successful here in Houston. I personally have been wanting to try out YX since I found out about their existence many many years ago.
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Ilovenz
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 7:54 am

Jeb94

No kidding! My last experience with YX was between MKE and PHX. We were on an -80 (82?) and we had to fly at FL250 for half the trip (through bad weather) before we finally were able to climb above it to FL330 (above bad weather). I went back to HP.

Once they get back on their feet financially (I know many of our Northwest folks would like to see YX die quickly, but then again, they're stuck in Minnesota, and that says it all right there... bigmouth  Wink, YX needs to dump the -80s and pick up either 737s or A319s or 320s. MD-90s would be ok I guess, but those will wear out too.
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 12:59 pm

Quoting Ilovenz (Reply 18):
We were on an -80 (82?) and we had to fly at FL250 for half the trip (through bad weather) before we finally were able to climb above it to FL330 (above bad weather). I went back to HP.

So, some how bad wx is the fault of the aircraft manufacturer or Midwest???


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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Fri May 13, 2005 2:31 pm

Yeah, I remember all the A318 or 717 stuff......717 saved the company a few million in training since there was no difference in ground ops, just need differences training for flight crews cause its under the DC-9 type rating.


And I'm not talking A320 big....let your mind wander...nor md-90 cause that would be a waste of time for YX.

[Edited 2005-05-13 07:34:24]
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Sat May 14, 2005 12:33 am

This is great new for YX and HOU. Although Continental has great service to IAH, YX by far has superior service. Though HOU is not in the most desirable part of town, I look forward to flying with YX to HOU. NW would be completely sutpid to start Houston service with CO and YX serving the area. The only people they would attract would be Milwaukee or Northern IL traffic, hardly enough to constitue 3 carriers flying to the Houston area. YX has connecting flights from all there destinations making this a great choice.
 
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Sat May 14, 2005 1:18 am

Wasn't another issue behind the 717 vs 318 decision being that they would've had to seat people in a 2-3 configuration to make it work? I thought I read that in the JS many years ago when the decision was announced.  Confused

On a side question, does WN serve HOU-MCI? I was a little surprised--yet delighted--to see the N/S service to MKE though.

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coiahtx
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Sat May 14, 2005 2:16 am

From what I can see, WN does not service MCI from HOU. Any clue as to who will be working the ramp and counter at HOU?
 
COfaninBOS
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RE: Midwest Starting Houston

Sat May 14, 2005 6:00 am

WN used to have one non-stop between HOU and MCI. There are currently no nonstops from HOU but there are several one hoppers through OKC and Tulsa.

CO has two mainline flights and 6-7 ERJs on the IAH-MCI route.