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Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:03 am

Ex-Continental boss slams A380
By Kathie O'Donnell, MarketWatch

Last Update: 2:45 PM ET May 12, 2005

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Former Continental Airlines boss Gordon Bethune took aim Thursday at the 600-seat Airbus A380, saying the biggest passenger jet ever built has more to do with "engineers' testosterone" than giving passengers what they want.

"What's in it for you to wait in line with 600 other people to get on an airplane?," said Bethune, who retired as Continental's (CAL: news, chart, profile) chairman and chief executive officer at the end of last year.

Bethune, speaking at the Investment Company Institute 2005 general membership meeting in Washington, is also a former Boeing Co. executive and a pilot.

"What's in it for you to wait for your bag with 600 people? What's in it for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 600 people?," he asked.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yhoo...BD%2D4A1D%2D8173%2DD11F799AAFAD%7D

The All-Knowing and Eternally Benevolent Great Leader of the Most Wonderful Continental Airlines has displayed Wonderous Wisdom yet again, even during his retirement years.  



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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:05 am

As a CO Platinum Elite, I already miss him. The subtle changes that have been made since his departure are not for the better....in my opinion.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:10 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
"What's in it for you to wait for your bag with 600 people? What's in it for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 600 people?," he asked

...hence the upgrading of infrastructure at airports that are expected to receive A380 services to ensure that this DOESN'T happen. The whole point of having double-decker airbridges is to prevent 600 people having to wait in the same queue. Admittedly this won't exist at every airport it flies to... but if Mr. Bethune would care to think back to the launch of the 747, I'm fairly sure people would have been making similar comments about that aircraft then.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I suppose. What exactly the point of him saying this is, though, I don't know.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:10 am

Well, he's entitled to his opinion, others can choose to agree or not. I'd say the customs/immigration comment hits the mark. That was my thought as well when this aircraft was introduced. The flying public will eventually have the final say and it matters not what Gordo or I think.
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
The All-Knowing and Eternally Benevolent Great Leader of the Most Wonderful Continental Airlines has displayed Wonderous Wisdom yet again, even during his retirement years.

I like Continental, and I like Boeing, but calling him the all-knowing and eternally benevolent great leader is nauseating. He should concentrate on retirement and keep his opinions to himself.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
"What's in it for you to wait in line with 600 other people to get on an airplane?,"

He must not have flown JAL or ANA on a Japanese domestic 747!

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
"What's in it for you to wait for your bag with 600 people?

Again, he must not have flown JAL or ANA on a Japanese domestic 747!

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
What's in it for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 600 people?,"

Finally, and Again, he must not have flown JAL or ANA on a Japanese domestic 747!

... He must have never arrived at Los Angeles, in the middle of the day when you have about 5 747's, 2 777's, and a few A340 unloading their pax!

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
biggest passenger jet ever built has more to do with "engineers' testosterone" than giving passengers what they want

And Boeing is looking at building a Boeing 747-400ADV.. Why?


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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
The All-Knowing and Eternally Benevolent Great Leader of the Most Wonderful Continental Airlines has displayed Wonderous Wisdom yet again, even during his retirement years.

I look down upon your ignorance! Sure, CO is good (not great, their seats are cardboard), but yet is simply disregards any of Boeing's plan for a larger aircraft, and you still have the nerve to make your opinions known to us without reviewing the facts. No one can say anything about the A380 let alone the 787 until it enters service.
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
"What's in it for you to wait for your bag with 600 people? What's in it for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 600 people?," he asked.

I think I've waited for my bag in the baggage hall with rather more than 600 people before and I honestly don't recall my flight being served by an A380.
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:29 am

I like Bethune. But he is a Boeing man and is not objective about Airbus. However it does not mean that his point his wrong.

According to Thyssen Krupp which makes boarding bridges, it will take 45 to enplane/deplane the A380 using today's facilities. For the last persons off, that is a long time between the time parking brake has been set to the time get off....let alone customs and immigration.

Today's facilities are built with the 747 in mind. The 777/340 are smaller and do not exacerbate the situation. However the 380 is a big step on pax/bag capacity. I think someone knowledgable in operations research (OR) could figure what kind of effects should be expected.

I have flown on domestic Japanese 747/777 flights on multiple occasions. There are no post arrival formalities and Japanese people travel with little luggage usually. (They have the big stuff delivered directly to their destination before leaving) Even sitting towards the back, it does not take terribly long to get on and get out of the airport. Never 45 minutes.
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:34 am

Quote:
I'd say the customs/immigration comment hits the mark

Not really. If you think about rush hour arrivals at BOS you have BA, LH, LX, AA, and DL, they all arrive within close proximity, which means a lot more than 600 people at customs.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:34 am

I'm not sure how many of our American airport ground staff are going to be as efficient as our friends in Japan though. Having said that, we have yet to see A380 gets order from JAL or ANA.

A380 is not doubt a great airplane, and an awesome engineering achievement. The business aspect of it is still to be proven, and only time will really tell. Everyone's got their opinion, and my opinion is that A380 is going to be alright. Intelligent, knowledgable decision makers in SQ, EK, LH, QF, etc all seems to agree.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:34 am

Bigoted horse manure!

I've queued in many airports of the world's great cities with many more than 600 people (try LHR T4 at 7am when all the Australian and Asian 744's arrive!!!!) or any of the US airports so sadly maladapted to international traffic.

i) Most A380 customers have announced 480-500 seats, not the 600 he is fond of quoting, and offer MORE space per passenger than all other aircraft.
ii) How much ex-Boeing exec "testosterone" was consumed in making this statement
iii) What was "in it" for Bethune to make these anti-A380 comments ($$$!).

Entirely predictible poppycock.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:47 am

Quoting FLYtoEGCC (Reply 2):
.hence the upgrading of infrastructure at airports that are expected to receive A380 services to ensure that this DOESN'T happen.

That's all nice... but it still DOES NOT change how fast or slow human beings work at immigartion and customs. An immigration officer is not going to work TWICE as fast when A380 arrives neither are any of the upgrades that I know of relate to expansion of immigration arrival halls. What you will now have is all the jazz of A380 and double decker airbridges, etc but the bottleneck will start as soon as you hit immigration and customs. Humans beings simply do not speed up the rate of their work especially when it is the SAME old stamping passports and checking luggage EVERYDAY... expect long waits no matter what everyone tells you. Remember how we were all going to have a gym and a flying swimming pool and an amazing bar inside A380s? And what are we getting? Same ole sardine can except with 550 of us packed in a metal tube.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:49 am

Quoting Ozglobal (Reply 12):
I've queued in many airports of the world's great cities with many more than 600 people (try LHR T4 at 7am when all the Australian and Asian 744's arrive!!!!) or any of the US airports so sadly maladapted to international traffic.

Yes Bethune is biased. That is established but the point remains. Make some of aforesaid Aussie and Asian 744 into A380 and add up to 150 people per flight those flights. Then the magnitude of the problem soon becomes clear.
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:51 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):

He must not have flown JAL or ANA on a Japanese domestic 747!

There is a HUGE difference in flying 747 domestic as opposed to on an international route. Immigration and customs is the bottleneck that you don't have to deal with in domestic travel.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:52 am

My friend Erin works for ICI, and was at the speech today. He said it was an amazing lecture.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:53 am

Quoting Ozglobal (Reply 12):
or any of the US airports so sadly maladapted to international traffic.

Every US airport which I have come home through has spacious, convenient facilities for international flights....and the roof has held up very well thank you.
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 8:57 am

I've sat in the customs lines at LHR in T3 during the morning rush. Sitting in line with "600" people would have been wonderful! It seemed like thousands were waiting....

I think he is overstating the "waiting in line" issue.
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 17):
There is a HUGE difference in flying 747 domestic as opposed to on an international route

What a pitiful response! You have to be joking, what a grasp at straws!

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:05 am

Quoting N79969 (Reply 19):
Quoting Ozglobal (Reply 12):
or any of the US airports so sadly maladapted to international traffic.

Every US airport which I have come home through has spacious, convenient facilities for international flights....and the roof has held up very well thank you.

i) I'm not French and am not offering CDG as a touchstone
ii) American airports are unique in not having an international transit zone, therefore requiring international transfer passengers to 'enter' the US via immigration and customs even if they are not stopping in the US, hence being subjected to 'the treatment'.
iii) I spent my childhood in Washinton DC and have since heard the once stately Dulles airport has become something of a 'basket case' in handling traffic volumes
iv) Ever tried transiting via the US. No, I didn't think so.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 19):
iii) I spent my childhood in Washinton DC and have since heard the once stately Dulles airport has become something of a 'basket case' in handling traffic volumes

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:26 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
"What's in it for you to wait for your bag with 600 people? What's in it for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 600 people?," he asked.

Then will I ask: What's in for you to wait for your bag with 580 people who just deboarded a Corsair Boeing 747? What's in for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 580 people who just deboarded a Corsair Boeing 747?

See? His argument is completely pointless!

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:29 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
the biggest passenger jet ever built has more to do with "engineers' testosterone" than giving passengers what they want.

Im my opnion, I couldnt agree more. How many airlines do you think are going to actually buy and fly the A380? I will garauntee you that it wont come anywhere close to the 747, or for that matter, any other airliner. The concept of the worlds biggest airliner is simply not going to catching fire. Is it an engineering marvel? YES!! Is it gonna sell like hotcakes? NOOO!!
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:30 am

Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
What's in it for you to wait for your bag with 600 people?

It's less expensive!
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 22):
The concept of the worlds biggest airliner is simply not going to catching fire.

The same thing was said about the 707 and 747!

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 9:53 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 18):
What a pitiful response! You have to be joking, what a grasp at straws!

I believe he meant the following:

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 14):
Immigration and customs is the bottleneck that you don't have to deal with in domestic travel.

which I believe is generally true.

IMO there is a market for the A380 however it is a niche A/C and therefore will probably no sell as well as the 747.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
The same thing was said about the 707 and 747!

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True, but the airline industry was very different back in the 60's/70's. This engineering marvel of a plane isn't going to fill that many airliners present and future needs. Boeing hit the marketing nail on the head with the 787. I havent actually compared sales, but I imagine the 787 is far out pacing the 380 as far as sales go. Can anyone comfirm?

Seriously though, how many other companies do you people see being interested to the point that they purchase this behometh 380 plane?
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting A380900 (Reply 23):
Quoting Avek00 (Thread starter):
What's in it for you to wait for your bag with 600 people?

It's less expensive!

That remains to be seen.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:24 am

Quoting Nirvarma (Reply 25):
IMO there is a market for the A380 however it is a niche A/C and therefore will probably no sell as well as the 747.

Maybe it is a niche aircraft for smaler airlines but definitely not for airlines like AF, LH, SQ, EK, etc.

The 747 is too small for these airlines on certain routes nowadays and they urgently need bigger equipment.

Some routes which come directly in my mind are FRA-MEX, FRA-LAX. FRA-NYC, CDG-YUL. FRA-SIN, FRA-DXB, FRA-GRU, etc. (the list is actually endless).

The market became bigger (more and more people are traveling by air) thus some sucessful airlines need bigger equipment to carry more passengers. One A 380 flight per day is more economical than one full 744 flight and one half booked 744 flight per day.

Actually I can't belive that Gordon Bethune made such a retarded statement! As I wrote in reply 21, the "too much passengers" argument is pretty lame, I really thought the guy is smarter.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:34 am

Quoting FLYtoEGCC (Reply 2):
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I suppose. What exactly the point of him saying this is, though, I don't know.

The reason is posturing, what do I mean? I predict Gordo isn't in retirement for long, I see him as the next CEO of Boeing. Of course I could be wrong, but I have a feeling.

Quoting A380900 (Reply 23):
It's less expensive!

Per seat if it's all filled up - you're probably right - if you mean cheaper for the airline. But do you really think the airlines are going to charge less on an A380 flight then a 747 or A340 flight? ok...  

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 18):
What a pitiful response! You have to be joking, what a grasp at straws!

Somebody is a little high strung isn't somebody?    - RELAX!!

Have you ever flown international? There is definitely a difference between that and flying domestically. When you fly domestic there's no immigration or customs now is there?

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:38 am

Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 22):
I will garauntee you that it wont come anywhere close to the 747, or for that matter, any other airliner

Is that a "double your money back guarantee?" I don't pretend to know what the future of the A380 is and I'm guessing that you don't have a crystal ball either, so guaranteeing how an airliner will sell over a 20 or 30 year period is pretty audacious. Besides, what good is a guarantee when you don't have to back it up?  biggrin 
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 29):
But do you really think the airlines are going to charge less on an A380 flight then a 747 or A340 flight?

Probably not but airlines can operate some (now) unrentable routes with the A380 profitable again because of the lower seat costs, see reply #7 of this thread:

AF And LH A380s - Which Destinations Probable? (by Mozart Nov 25 2004 in Civil Aviation)

Quote: according to travelbiz.com.au, the Lufthansa General Manager for Australia stated that LH is examing the feasibility of deploying the A380 on routes to Australia. apparently, the lower seat costs of this huge bird suggest to LH that a return down under could be viable.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:52 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 31):
Probably not but airlines can operate some (now) unrentable routes with the A380 profitable again because of the lower seat costs, see reply #7 of this thread:

Which may well be true, but A380900 seemed to be implying that it would be cheaper for the 600 people waiting in line, hence making it worthwhile - which I doubt will be the case at all.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 28):
Actually I can't belive that Gordon Bethune made such a retarded statement! As I wrote in reply 21, the "too much passengers" argument is pretty lame, I really thought the guy is smarter.

That's a pretty harsh statement to make about someone. His comment was an opinion, which he is entitled to and entitled to make. Is he right? I don't know. Is he descendant from the Virgin Mary as some people suggest? I doubt it. Has he proven himself to be successful in the airline industry - absolutely - so his opinion might be more than just a retarded statement. It is clearly biased though - but it might be based on more than just bias is what I am getting at. He's not new to the industry, nor has he proven himself to be inept in the past.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 10:57 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Then will I ask: What's in for you to wait for your bag with 580 people who just deboarded a Corsair Boeing 747? What's in for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 580 people who just deboarded a Corsair Boeing 747?

See? His argument is completely pointless!

Patrick

Did I miss something? When did he say a 580 seat 747 was a good thing? You just presume that because he is a Boeing guy, he must be pro 747 and 747ADV. While I'm sure he wouldn't be so harsh if it were a Boeing plane, remember, he was CEO at CO when they got rid of their 747s. He didn't order the 744 at CO, even though he plainly had the opportunity.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:03 am

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 33):
Come back to CO Gordo, we miss you! cry

I'll 2nd that!

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:06 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 32):
Has he proven himself to be successful in the airline industry - absolutely -

Yes, absolutely! I flew on CO just last week and I have to say that it is (and became) a great airline thanks to him!

Quoting KC135R (Reply 32):
- so his opinion might be more than just a retarded statement.

The "Oh my God, 600 people on one airplane" is a freaking reatared statement, firstly because (as I already wrote) some airlines really need such a capaticity on many, many routes nowadays.

And secondly because Corsair is operating 747 flights with 580 people on board since years. It has absolutely nothing to do with the aircraft manufacturer but rather with the airline which is configurating the plane with seats. Bashing the A 380 for having 600 seats is completely pointless! Britannia (Thompsonfly) is operating 763's in a really uncomfortable configuration and, as already mentioned, Corsair is operating 743's in a 580 set configuration (just 20 seats less). I would rather travel in an A 380 with 600 seats than in a 747-300 with 580 seats, which layout is more comfortable?

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:17 am

excuse my ignorance.... but i don't really know who this bethune bloke is. i understand that he was the ceo of continental airlines at one time. was co as successful as the asia/pacific carriers such as cx, sq, qf, etc under his leadership? meaning that co was profitting millions and millions of dollars under his leadership? after reading a few posts on this thread, some of you guys made it sound as if he was god or something!

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:21 am

Those comments are just foolish. If two 777s pull up to the gate or one A380 pulls up to the gate the line ups will be the same. Most large airports have numerous international arrivals occursing all day... often multiple flights arrive using the same arrivals facilities and baggage belts.

The market for aircraft has less to do with waits at customs and baggage belts and has more to do with economics and capacity requirements on particular routes. If he said that the A380 might not be required because of more fuel efficient smaller aircraft the go further and serve direct routes instead of international hubs then he might have sounded reasonable. Talking about 600 people getting off an airplane as the reason it doesn't make sense???
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:25 am

As a person who has traveled international MANY times I can see the points. Alot of waiting areas are designed for 300 people. I don't know too many airports that have the space for 500 or 600 people. It takes forever to offload that many people. Baggage claim for just 300 people is a zoo. And of course there is the mad rush at customs. It would seem on the surface that the A380 will mean longer lines and longer waits for passengers. As cool as the A380 looks I just don't see it being very efficient on the ground side of things. But then again I am partial to the A330-300.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 30):
and I'm guessing that you don't have a crystal ball either, so guaranteeing how an airliner will sell over a 20 or 30 year period is pretty audacious.

Your right, I dont have a crystal ball, though I wish I did sometimes. As for the garauntee, think of it along the same lines as when Mark Messier garaunteed a game 5 NY Rangers victory over the hapless NJ Devils in the Stanley Cup playoffs of the 1993 season.  

Look, the other point to be made is this. No matter how you slice it, it is going to take longer to unload all that extra luggage, it is going to take longer to unload all those extra people from the plane, it is going to take longer to claim your luggage at the carousel, it is going to take longer.... do you folks see the common demonator here? 'take longer'. That is the point Bethune is trying to make. People dont want things to take longer, they want to spend less time at the airport and in the plane.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:44 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 38):
Alot of waiting areas are designed for 300 people. I don't know too many airports that have the space for 500 or 600 people.



Quoting Indy (Reply 38):
Baggage claim for just 300 people is a zoo.

I agree, but there are many airports which modify their facilities because of the upcoming A380 operations.

Quoting Indy (Reply 38):
And of course there is the mad rush at customs. It would seem on the surface that the A380 will mean longer lines and longer waits for passengers.

As EnviroTO wrote in reply #39, better one A380 than two 777's, 340's or 747's of the same airline at nearly the same time at the same airport terminal.

The A 380 will carry more passengers than current aircrafts but it will also reduce the frequency of flights per day, thus less crowd at immigration and customs at the same time.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:45 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Then will I ask: What's in for you to wait for your bag with 580 people who just deboarded a Corsair Boeing 747? What's in for you to wait in customs and immigration lines with 580 people who just deboarded a Corsair Boeing 747?

See? His argument is completely pointless!

So what's your point? You and others in this thread make it sound as though we accept 747 wait lines (before or after a flight) so we should be willing to accept 380 wait lines. The fact is, most people today find 747 wait lines unbearable as it is and would rather avoid them. The 380 will only make it much, much worse.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:49 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 41):
The 380 will only make it much, much worse.

See my posts above.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting N79969 (Reply 8):
Today's facilities are built with the 747 in mind. The 777/340 are smaller and do not exacerbate the situation. However the 380 is a big step on pax/bag capacity. I think someone knowledgable in operations research (OR) could figure what kind of effects should be expected.

I HIGHLY agree with your statement, however, if Boeing had built the 747 with the knowledge of "today's infrastructure is built around the DC-7, the Connie, and the 707, how will airports be able to handly 400+ passengers?!?!!?", then the 747 would have been a flop.

The world is only getting bigger people. Air travel is becoming more common, and easier to obtain. Things are going to change, whether you like it or not.

The human tendancy is to build bigger.

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 11:55 am

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 4):
I like Continental, and I like Boeing, but calling him the all-knowing and eternally benevolent great leader is nauseating. He should concentrate on retirement and keep his opinions to himself.

Sarcasm, dude. I think Avek00 was taking a shot at him, as well he should.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 12:01 pm

as an ex-Boeing exec., is this opinion any surprise at all?? Consider the source and bury it thats all...a real surprise would be if he liked it!!!
 
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 12:15 pm

Eh, you don't have to agree with him, and he's probably wrong, but before you go disrespecting him remember he's one of the very few men in the industry who has turned an entire airline around almost singlehandedly, and is easily one of the most well respected executives in any industry in the country. Keep some perspective here folks. He's smarter than all of us, but even smart people have their blind spots.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 12:25 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 40):
The A 380 will carry more passengers than current aircrafts but it will also reduce the frequency of flights per day, thus less crowd at immigration and customs at the same time.

Assuming 3 pilots will be required for the A380 it would mean saving 1 pilot. 1 jet lease is better than 2 and flying 1 A380 probably uses a great deal less fuel than flying 2 777's. Airports might as well plan on using two gate areas for one A380 as well as double the baggage claims and ticket counters.

When I flew from AMS to DTW I liked how they assigned 2 baggage claims for our A330-300 flight. Now it is frustrating having to work two baggage claims to get your bags because you have no idea which one they will come out on. Coordinating something this large will surely be difficult.

I would think NW would use the A380 for reasons you had cited. It seems there is a DTW to AMS flight leaving an hour or so apart. Might as well combine those in to one. I would hope they would use as many as 4 jetways to load a 380. One upper and one lower on each side.
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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 12:28 pm

I just love Gordo more and more!

He is right. The 380 is going to cause a lot of logistical headaches and not be so pax friendly. I am glad he has spoken and I don't care if he is a Boeing boy. He took the worst airline and made it the best. His opinion should be heard!  pray 

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RE: Ex-Continental Boss Slams A380

Fri May 13, 2005 12:30 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 48):
His opinion should be heard!

Okay, so his opinion has been heard.

Now what happens? Now what would you like anyone to do?

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