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Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 5:32 pm

What would you think if Ryanair offered its services in the USA, with EU fares and with some subsidy by small airports to help keeping low fares?

Would you appreciate this kid of service?
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 5:43 pm

However I'm not American, I would like to shine my light on this topic.

In Europe Ryanair made a profit out of the situation of many underserved airports and regions who would like to have this economic impulse. Local governements where approached all individually and they all made a custom-deal with Ryanair on offering services.

It won't work like this in the US, as there are already regulations about it: Essential Air Support, EAS. This is a subsidy for carriers who want to offer airline service to underserved airports in the weaker regions. And all carriers already use this regulations to offer all kind of RJ- and turboprop services. AFAIK, getting an individual deal on sponsoring scheduled services by local governements, isn't that easy as in Europe. (however, the EU wants to make regulations about this too, which I think is good).

About the service offered on-board: well, I think that many people will say that they'd rather pay more for more legroom and better service, but in the end $0.99 fares can persuade many people.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 7:25 pm

OH DEAR GOD NO!!!!! Not Southwest Lite. I'd like to think that people would spend the extra money, but I know that when people book the ticket they forget all about service and comfort and look for every dime they can get. That said, it would kill the legacies, and leave me with fewer choices. I want to keep my right to see hub-and-spoke airlines where I pay more for more.

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
It won't work like this in the US, as there are already regulations about it: Essential Air Support, EAS. This is a subsidy for carriers who want to offer airline service to underserved airports in the weaker regions. And all carriers already use this regulations to offer all kind of RJ- and turboprop services. AFAIK, getting an individual deal on sponsoring scheduled services by local governements, isn't that easy as in Europe. (however, the EU wants to make regulations about this too, which I think is good).

I believe this is quite different. EAS airports rarely have any more than twice to 3x daily 19 or 30-seat prop service (if that), and not for underserved airports, rather for rural communities that would otherwise have no commercial air service whatsoever. I can't think of a single route where an RJ does EAS service.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 9:48 pm

NO!!!!!
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.  hissyfit 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 9:49 pm

Been there and done that. An airline as extreme as to mimimial customer service and going to very outlying airports like Ryanair does has been tried and not accepted by the American public. There is also significant cultural and political differences in the EC vs. the USA.
Some of the airports WN and other LCC's offer service to are alternative airports in large metro areas. Islip/McArthur airport in Long Island, NY 'serves' the NYC area for WN as they cannot nor want to serve into the 3 major airports here. You also see the situation like with JetBlue serving Long Beach, CA airport instead of LAX. When the bulk of USA LCC's developed in the early 1980's some, like PeopleExpress, went into underserved airports (like EWR as their base) where today a number of those airports grew quickly and became much more important airports. Often local governments did fix up airports to accomidate those LCC's. Some airports that attracted LCC's or connector services (like Stewart AFB/Int'l Airport in Newberg, NY, about 60+ miles from NYC), wasn't able to sustain such services as too distant from a sufficent base market or those airlines failed (Southeast served Stewart for several years until it failed last year).
Many of those early LCC's also didn't offer food service or made you pay for sodas and had no IFE (like People's Express).
Like Ryanair whom uses what seems to be warehouse like sheds at some airports, some of those early USA LCC's used underused terminal buildings (like the 'north terminal' of EWR by PeopleExpress). In part for today's higher security standards, the demands of customers as well as local airport policies, one must operate via 'full service' structures.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:00 pm

I think Europeans wanted a Southwest in Europe. That's how Ryan Air started if I remenber correctly.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA

Sun May 15, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.

Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?


Regards
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[Edited 2005-05-15 15:11:09]

[Edited 2005-05-15 15:11:35]
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:15 pm

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?


Regards
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Could not have said it better myself.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:40 pm

I like SLC1's term "Southwest Lite". I personally would not want to fly on an airline that was so "no frills" that their brand new Boeings have among other things, no window shades, no reclining seats, barf bags only available on requests,safety cards that are permanent placards on the seatback in front of you etc. I'm sure I left out a few things. Paying for a soft drink I could live with, like on say AirAsia where at least their much older used 733's have not only the standard basic amenities but some CLASS as well ! You compare, somewhat classy on the left, completely tacky/cheesy on the right !



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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:49 pm

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?

Perhaps because they turned air travel into something slightly less glamourous than cleaning lavatories.

Steve
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:56 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 9):
Perhaps because they turned air travel into something slightly less glamourous than cleaning lavatories.

Steve

The same can be said for almost every service industry, this is not something that is only applicable to the airline industry. Remember full service gas stations? Retail where people actually waited on you. Restaurants before the onslaught of fast food. The list goes on and on.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:57 pm

Quoting Sllevin (Reply 9):
Perhaps because they turned air travel into something slightly less glamourous than cleaning lavatories.

All people who can't live without glamour can still fly First Class or rent a BBJ.  bitelip 


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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 11:05 pm

Quoting Udo (Reply 11):
All people who can't live without glamour can still fly First Class or rent a BBJ

Yeah I think I am just going to buy a BBJ. That will make life considerably easier.


That Ryanair picture looks like hell!! Ten times worse than southwest. If we had a carrier like that here, the chances of my flying it would be slim. Could you imagime flying BNA-LAX (a common WN route) in those conditions!?

Yuck!
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 11:09 pm

To answer your question, NO we don't want a Ryan Air in the US. We have too many Ryan Airs already.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 11:24 pm

Any place is better off without Ryanair!

The only good thing about Ryanair is cheap fares!

Ryanair isnt anything on JetBlue, Southwest, Song.....

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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Sun May 15, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 13):
We have too many Ryan Airs already.

And these are...?


Regards
Udo
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:10 am

I am always puzzled by the yield/revenue management that Ryanair uses. They don't seem to have a standard fare for each route like WN does. They basically offer a price according to demand, which i find it very interesting. I don't have figures but it seems that their planes are always full. Isn't it better to have a plane full with a flexible price skim than just keeping the fares higher as you get closer to departure like WN and other airlines do?

I wouldnt mind a Ryanair in the US served by E170/190/195 with no middle seats for short hauls, lets say on a range of the East coast cities to East of the Mississippi and north and south. With a flexible fare structure like theirs, i am sure ill be easy to take cheap weeknd trips at very low prices.
I have flown Ryanair but because my expectations where so low, i just didn't mind. I had a good breakfast before going to the airport, had my ipod and slept the whole way down. I flew from London to Palermo and they were the only airline flying nonstop and had the best price too. My only complaint with them is the strict carry-on rules. They don't allow any roll-on bags regardless of the weight/size. Check in was madness at STN. They need online check in to make this process easier.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:12 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 14):
The only good thing about Ryanair is cheap fares!

isn't that what the whole business concept of FR is anyway  confused 

"Ryanair’s objective is to firmly establish itself as Europe’s leading low-fares scheduled passenger airline through continued improvements and expanded offerings of its low-fares service. Ryanair aims to offer low fares that generate increased passenger traffic while maintaining a continuous focus on cost-containment and operating efficiencies. The key elements of Ryanair’s strategy are:
Low Fares. Ryanair’s low fares are designed to stimulate demand, particularly from fare-conscious leisure and business travelers who might otherwise have used alternative forms of transportation or would not have traveled at all. Ryanair sells seats on a one-way basis, thus eliminating..."

"During its 20-year operating history, Ryanair has not had a single incident involving major injury to passengers or flight crew. Ryanair’s commitment to safe operations is manifested by its safety training procedures, its investment in safety-related equipment and the adoption of an internal confidential reporting system for safety issues."


source: www.ryanair.com
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:14 am

an airline with service even cheaper in cost and quality than WN???????? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! That would be TRAGIC. We already have enough to deal here with WN so, Ryanair is NOT welcome here in the U.S.A!!!!!!!!
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:21 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.

Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?


Regards
Udo

Very well said.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:22 am

I wouldn't want to be on a Ryanair jet, let alone work on one! Europe, you guys can keep Ryanair.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:24 am

Just booked a flight on EasyJet from LGW-FCO-LGW. I just enjoy the low cost. 87 euro, r/t.

Regards.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 2:35 am

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
NO!!!!!
WN

Only took 3 replies... more than I expected.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 18):
service even cheaper in cost and quality than WN

Quality is a perception. I've flown both CO and WN this year...and when all is said and done, I felt that WN had a higher quality of service. I'll forgo the details since this thread is not about WN, but I'll just say I felt like I was treated more like a real person on WN.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):
Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?

UDO!

What's up? You have been avoiding me lately!

WN has not ruined anything. They provide a no frills service. For the people that want to fly them then you can fly them. If not, then fly someone else.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 8):
I like SLC1's term "Southwest Lite". I personally would not want to fly on an airline that was so "no frills" that their brand new Boeings have among other things, no window shades, no reclining seats, barf bags only available on requests,safety cards that are permanent placards on the seatback in front of you etc. I'm sure I left out a few things. Paying for a soft drink I could live with, like on say AirAsia where at least their much older used 733's have not only the standard basic amenities but some CLASS as well ! You compare, somewhat classy on the left, completely tacky/cheesy on the right !

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Loved meeting you last night and welcome to my respected user list!  wave 

I like that term too! I choose not to fly WN if I can help it unless I need to get to Vegas in a hurry and use their NS from ISP-LAS. Otherwise I would fly CO or Song. I don't mind paying a little more.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 3:07 am

Some of the aspects of FR's service has already been tried by airlines here in the US. PEOPLExpress charged for onboard amenities, charged to check bags, pretty much charged for nearly everything but reservations. While those aspects were not the cause of the airline's demise, no other airline in the US has tried to duplicate this with the exception of B.O.B. of food.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 3:10 am

As an American, I would say thanks but no thanks! We already have Southwest which offers great fares and they even have window shades!  Wink
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 3:47 am

Screw that. I love WN, but I'd never fly an airline that is so substandard that WN looks like super-premium service. Ryanair has ads on the overheads for the love of crap... even Greyhound doesn't have that.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting SLC1 (Reply 2):
OH DEAR GOD NO!!!!!

listen to him
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 6:55 am

I would love Ryanair over here. Give the riff raff something cheap to fly on and stay the hell off the legacy carriers.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA

Mon May 16, 2005 7:03 am

Actually, Ryanair's operations remind me a great deal of People Express's operations back in the 80s. And we all know what happed to People Express.

I too would have to agree with many here and say no to the ideal of a US style Ryanair operation as it simply would not fly in the US (forgive the pun).

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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 7:28 am

Hello,

Ryanair is just great!
Flew with them a lot of times and they are not bad.
Never had a flight delayed even with terrible weather conditions, planes are new and safe.
I don't mind bringing my own snacks as most of their flights are not longer than 2 hours.
And of course, the tickets price.
Last trip (February/2005) I just paid £ 53 for a return ticket to Pisa, Italy and that was from a Friday to Sunday, when flights are usually more expensive.

They are just great!

Cheers

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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
NO!!!!!
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.

How by making air travel affordable without compromising safety and service?

Oh yeah that's destroying the industry.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 7:47 am

As a Brit !

Airlines like Ryanair, easyJet, bmibaby, Jet2.com etc etc - They have introduced a product / concept that allows the larger carriers to realise how expensive they really are if you wish to fly domestically or within Europe - If you want a drink or snack you have to pay for it !!

I have flown with Ryanair as a passenger and the flight was `good` - Basically all I wanted was to get from Birmingham ( BHX ) to Dublin ( DUB ) and back safely and in one peice

I do think however that the Ryanair business model wouldnt last very long in the USA ... I do believe that easyJet is more like SouthWest Airlines

Ryanair only fly to airports out in the middle of nowhere - They are the WORST airline to complain to, There is almost always bad reports about them in the newspapers...I mean let the passengers have windows blinds at least !!

So if you guys come to Europe and want to fly low cost - fly with

http://www.easyJet.com - Fly from London Gatwick (LGW), London Luton (LTN), Liverpool John Lennon (LPL) etc etc

http://www.jet2.com - Fly from Leeds Bradford - Manchester - Belfast (International)

http://www.bmibaby.com - Fly from Nottingham East Midlands (EMA) Birmingham (BHX) Manchester (MAN) etc etc

If you want to fly with Ryanair - http://www.ryanair.com - Fly from London Stansted to airports out in the middle of god knows where - By all means go for it but GOOD LUCK !!

I have flown low-cost several times and I have to admit I really enjoyed flying with easyJet, My most recent easyJet flight was - Edinburgh (EDI) to London Gatwick (LGW) Brand new A319 (VERY PLASTIC) , really friendly cheerful cabin crew and above all a really good fare

OK thats my piece said !!

Thank you

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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 8:02 am

Just look at those fares £.99 one way?!? Thats less than $2 bucks! Of course no tax or other fees yet included, but still I've never seen anything that low in the U.S.

If you want food, bring your own, if you want IFE, bring an Ipod.

As long as it's less than a 2 hour flight, I wouldn't have a problem with the non reclining seats.

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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 8:06 am

Ryanair are great! For one reason. They are competition and force legacy carriers to bring their prices down which is good for me and other folk who don't want to put up with having to drive to out of the way airports and all the other nonsense.

The day I step aboard a Ryanair flight is the day I lose some serious self-respect. I just can't think of any reason why I'd pay £30 and incur daft travel costs when I can pay £100 or £150 and fly BA in a lot more comfort.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 8:35 am

Southwest, by shaking up the legacies so much, who had a monopoly evenly distributed amongst several airlines, may very well indeed create their own monopoly. All to themselves and not spread out among the other majors like the old monopoly the legacies previously held.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 8:44 am

I'm not sure if Ryanair USA would succeed. The USA tends to have longer routes than Western Europe does, which is bad for comfort. I wouldn't want to fly Ryanair LAX-JFK. Additionally, Europeans do have a culture of being thrifty (and on the other end, appreciate Italian supercars and German symphonies), sometimes, especially when they're young. Look at the youth hostels that are all over Europe, and hardly to be found in the USA.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 8:57 am

Williams airport in Phoenix/Mesa would finally see regularly scheduled air service. My guess is that flights on Ryanair are not that bad--or nobody would fly them. It has to be better than a hit to the head with a shovel, or people would do what they did pre-Ryanair: Stay home, or go by boat.

My hope one day is to make enough money to subsidize a daily Safford - Phoenix (Skyharbor) flight on a 738. But, I'd settle for a Beech 1900D to start...
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 10:02 am

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 8):
Paying for a soft drink I could live with, like on say AirAsia where at least their much older used 733's have not only the standard basic amenities but some CLASS as well ! You compare, somewhat classy on the left, completely tacky/cheesy on the right !

Air Asia, yeah I had wrong currency to pay for soft drink and it was over 2 hours flight and I got a bit frustrated and the A/C was broken... and I just wish Southwest had expanded to SE ASia, especially with real open minded american crew and free drinks and happy service. the dresses that the F/A on Air Asia wear is too confusing, it is as if they are a full service carrier, they dont match well, they need polo shirts and shorts. Have you seen the Nok Air pilots! they wear polo shirts with embroidered stripes on the end of their sleeves, ugh thats a bit too far

How about Independence Air? they seem to be matching up well nowadays even their uniforms are similiar to Air asia, but the seats feel roomier and have more pitch than Jetblue on the the DH A319
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 10:53 am

Uh...they already do have several Ryanairs...AA,UA,DL,WN etc, except that they charge alot more for almost exactly the same travel experience in Y.
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 11:27 am

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
About the service offered on-board: well, I think that many people will say that they'd rather pay more for more legroom and better service, but in the end $0.99 fares can persuade many people.

For any trip under three hours, I am willing to do anything for a cheap fare. bigsmile 

Many of us already spend 3-4hours a day in a cramped seat with no meals and only a radio for IFE. Its called a CAR. All this whining about "lousy" service during a short hop is madness.

Why do people automatically assume that a meal should be served any time they get on a plane? Why would anyone want to eat a meal on a plane, unless its a real long trip?

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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 11:31 am

We already have it here in the USA, its called Greyhound!!!!
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 11:48 am

Quoting Qantasclub (Reply 39):
Uh...they already do have several Ryanairs...AA,UA,DL,WN etc, except that they charge alot more for almost exactly the same travel experience in Y.

Well I rather travel in a nice comfi 777 from IAD to ORD instead!even witout a snack, you have inflight entertainment and now even reclining seats!

I think the problem with FR is that most PAX on FR are most of the time people who used other transport methods before making a step in the air,
and they are likely to think that this is air travel.(If you look in the picture of the FR cabin 738, not that I think watching out the window is boring, but many over there look as if they see it the first time in there life  Wink
Off course they don't get why you should fly genuine under IATA rules,
wait until the baggages dissapear or worse...

Is that rule about the %PAX load still effective?
too less bookings, no flight?

Anyway FR will get there asses kicked by the EC considering the arrangements they made with the wallon government, starting here in Belgium,
and no it's not Brussels south, but Charlerois gosselies, 65 km "south" of Brussels, a train ticket costs 20€ to brussels.(add that off course to the price in 2nd class off course  Wink
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 11:50 am

Quoting Deltabobo (Reply 41):
We already have it here in the USA, its called Greyhound!!!!

yeah!
I remember the NYC trip to Buffalo quite good!
only 8 hours of punishment!My ass was hurt like hell,  Wink
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 12:55 pm

A Ryanair in the U.S.??  vomit 

As one who works in close proximity to one of Southwest's major focus airports, I see every day an example of a company that strives for excellence in regards to its operations and its product, and in its relations with its employees. A company many of whose employees would probably walk through flames for, and who makes it clear to them that they are of value to its success. And one who treats its customers with dignity--most of whom in turn come back, again and again. A very unionized company, which most people do not realize. AND A COMPANY THAT IS THE MOST CONSISTENTLY PROFITABLE AIRLINE OF ANY IN HISTORY.

As for Ryanair--Michael O'Leary's "the end justifies the means" philosophy of running his airline went out with the days of sweat shops, and child labor. A lot of you are familiar with the "high" lights: among other policies, employees being required to pay for their own parking at work, pilots having to pay for their own required medical exams, no employee pensions, no window shades on new aircraft, no reclining seats, and until he was slapped down by the courts, passengers requiring wheelchair service having to pay for it!!! Isn't Ryanair also the company that banned the charging of cell phones on their properties, in order to save a few shillings worth of electricity?!?!

Apparently all perfectly all right to the likes of Mr. O'Leary, as long as profits are rolling in, and fares are cheap. Sorry, were a Ryanair to come to the U.S., I would pay a few extra bucks to fly another airline, than validate such shoddy and callous policies, and contribute in any way to inspiring an acceleration of their adoption here.

It's bad enough that United has taken the nearly unprecedented step of dumping its pension obligations onto the government. It is not a stretch to surmise that the management of some of our other legacy carriers are licking their chops at the prospect of doing the same thing, now the UA has stuck its neck out and provided cover by being the first. At least, however, UA is in a pretty desperate spot. I shudder to think of what state the legacy carriers will be in in two or three years--if there are any left at all!!

If it is to be only LCCs that dominate the domestic arena in the future, it would be tragic if the Ryanair model becomes the new trend.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:03 pm

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 22):
I felt like I was treated more like a real person on WN.

I never realized that people relied on airlines to feel like a real person.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:17 pm

Why do people always blame WN and FR? If you must blame someone for what WN and FR provide, blame the people who want low price and no frills. All that WN and FR do is give people what they want. Why is that a crime?
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 2:12 pm

I have flown FR twice and liked it better than WN just because i didnt have to hear to stupid jokes of the F/A. FR was very efficient transportation from point a-to-b. Instead of taking the ferry to Ireland i took a flight for less $ than the ferry and saved a lot of time. Check-in was normal (but long lines), flight on time, plane was clean, F/A as efficient as they are supposed to be. At DUB I was measuring the time it took them to turn a plane around and i was amazed that hey did in about 30 minutes or so if i remember correctly.
I also flew BMIbaby and it felt just like BMI but "cutter". Nice logo of a baby and nicer uniform for f/a, but without FR and Easyjet we wouldnt have bmibaby and a better product/service. Same goes with B6 vs Song, Frontier vs Ted, etc.
If I found that FR was unsafe, or they were rude or didnt treat me like a human being i wouldnt fly them again or recomend it. If the price is right, take it. If we had such an airline here, I'll fly them too at the right price.
 
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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 3):
NO!!!!!
WN has already destroyed the airline industry in the US.

You must CSA at one of those carriers that loses  dollarsign ? Also guess you cannot stand them turning LARGE profits and succeeding as a carrier ppl like to fly.

Quoting Udo (Reply 6):

Because they established competition and forced legacy carriers to reduce their monopoly-caused rip-off fares in many markets?

Regards
Udo

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RE: Americans, Would You Like A Ryanair In The USA?

Mon May 16, 2005 4:26 pm

Yuck!! Ryanair here? No Way!!! That O'Leary (or whatever his name is) is a CHEAP SCROOGE that would do anything to save nickels and dimes only to pass the savings to himself and his stockholders. The bastard thinks that only cheap flights attract people. I would have to say that jetBlue Airways definitely shows Ryanair and the entire airline industry the world over that offering low fares, treating customers and employees with dignity and simultaneously doing it with a little class (DirectTV, designer uniforms, leather seats, legroom, etc.) can go a long way in terms of return customership.

I am almost certain that people in Europe are only repeat customers of Ryanair if they are desperate, otherwise they'd fly someone else in a heartbeat. And that is what Ryanair's profits come from desperate people who fly once... dislike it and only fly again if there are no other options.
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