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Etihad And The A340-500?

Sun May 15, 2005 9:46 pm

Has Etihad ordered the A340-500, or does the airline have plans to operate the aircraft?

On the Etihad website there is a pic. of a A340-500 in Etihad colours!

http://www.etihadairways.com/Present...8622E1-40E7-45BF-A4F6-00B621D01A46

Where would the 345 fly to, similar routes as EK I take it?

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:05 pm

If you want a global network operating out of the gulfstates you will need the A350 one day. From Europe for example every destination can be reached by A340 and A330, but the Gulf region is just to far from the USA for example. Plus it's a very hot environment, which will have it's toll on the MTOW.

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:24 pm

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Has Etihad ordered the A340-500, or does the airline have plans to operate the aircraft?

They've ordered four A340-500s and four A340-600s. (And, for the record, five 777-300ERs.)

Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
If you want a global network operating out of the gulfstates you will need the A350 one day. From Europe for example every destination can be reached by A340 and A330, but the Gulf region is just to far from the USA for example.

Uh? Will the A350 have greater range than the A345? And why the A350 as opposed to, say, the 777 family or 787? Is that a typo?
 
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:25 pm

Thanks PM, any idea on when deleivery will begin for the new a/c?

How many 332's have they ordered aswell?

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Sun May 15, 2005 10:43 pm

Rob

Not sure of the delivery dates though I think they'll start arriving in 2006.

I think it's 12 firm orders for 332s (with Trent 700s) plus the ones they have already leased - some with Trents and some with PW4000.

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Sun May 15, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Uh? Will the A350 have greater range than the A345? And why the A350 as opposed to, say, the 777 family or 787? Is that a typo?

OOps, sorry, I mean the 340-500......
 
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 12:19 am

Does Etihad enjoy high load factors like EK, or are they struggling to get people on board. They have fairly stiff competition from EK...
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:10 am

Etihad in general have pretty good load factors. There are 1 or 2 routes that suffer from poor loading, but they are still quite new.

As far as their aircraft go, the A330-200's start arriving this month (27th). There is a pic on this site of the first RR powered machine, which will be subsequently registered as A6-EYD. I imagine that as the new-build machines start arriving, they will return the leased 330's.

The 5 B777-300ERs are scheduled for delievery in October (2) and November (3) I believe...

A340-500 and A340-600 I have heard are scheduled for late 2006 onwards...

I guess good targets for the A345 will be Australia and North America. There are not hints at Oz yet, and I hear Toronto is on the cards, but with a stop in Brussels first... I do not know if they will make Toronto a non-stop with the A345...

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:39 am

Etihad will also get some ex Volar GE A330-200's!

Hows London (LGW & LHR) loads, EY send the 343 to LGW and 2x 332's to LHR quite a lot?

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 1:48 am

There were some EY people at MAN not that long ago, so that could be on their list for expansion as more capacity comes on stream.

As ever the problem is gate space and timing. Plenty of runway but not enough stands, especially in the morning.
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 2:11 am

why do they fly to LGW and LHR? isn't it unsual for a non Euro carrier to fly to both?

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 2:26 am

Hi Rob,

The 2 ex-Volare A332's have arrived back from painting in Filton. EI-DIP had some maintenance done in Bordeaux.

They are, A6-EYV (I think former EI-DIR) and ED-DIP (shortly to enter service under A6-EYW).

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 10):
why do they fly to LGW and LHR? isn't it unsual for a non Euro carrier to fly to both?

American and Emirates are just two who operate from both airports for different reasons. Others have in the past. Continental also operated out of STN and LGW at one point (and may do again).
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 3:09 am

EYs flights to LHR do well according to industry sources. It has managed to kick out GF in the AUH-CMB, AUH-BEY markets!!! Supposedly too their BKK flights see v good loads but yields arent that gr8 on that route.
 
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 3:18 am

LHR and LGW flights by EK and EY are charged differently. LGW flights are always cheaper, however if you are connecting or want closer and faster access to london then you would go for LHR and pay the extra cost.

Last year I flew with EY and they had an amazing offer on LGW that was not avialable on LHR

Even EK sometimes does nice offers on LGW and the loads are quite high
 
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 3:36 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 10):
why do they fly to LGW and LHR? isn't it unsual for a non Euro carrier to fly to both?

Same happens in New York, VS, BA, AI, AF, LH... both serve JFK and EWR!

I think the only carriers (non-European) to serve both LHR and LGW are EK,QR,EY and AA!

I heard EY also have plans to serve BHX!

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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 5:58 am

The main reason that American Airlines fly from both LHR and LGW is due to the current restrictions in force between the UK and the US regarding flying rights. As far as I am aware it is not permitted to fly direct between certain cities such as Dallas, Atlanta, Charlotte, Houston, Raleigh/Durham and others into LHR, BA for the same reason have the same problem.

Emirates now operate 7 daily flights DXB-LON-DXB, split 4/3 between LHR and LGW. Perhaps the main reason for the split is lack of slots at LHR, however I am sure there is a lot feed in to and out of US bound flights at LGW for EK and to a certain degree EY as well.

If the open skies agreement between the UK/US is ever negotiated to a true free for all, I would expect most US airlines to desert LGW for LHR along with BA's US flights. What would then become of LGW? Who knows, maybe it will be renamed London Easyjet!!
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RE: Etihad And The A340-500?

Mon May 16, 2005 8:07 am

BA flies from Heathrow to Houston via Chicago O'hare and go non stop to Gatwick.