teahan
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Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:52 am

I head that this is possible. Is this true or not. Got more info? Thanks for any replies!

Jeremiah Teahan
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Allee
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 4:57 am

Yeah, some cargo carriers have jumpseats in the cockpit where you can tag along for the flight. My supervisor at work went on one, and he said the flight was cool. There aren't flight attendants to serve you peanuts, but the pilots offer you cigarettes and pornos!!!

Allan
 
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 5:06 am

Its possible to snag a seat on the upper deck of a 747F. Thats only if the pilots are willing to give up their rest areas.
 
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 6:49 am

I believe both Cargolux and Nippon Cargo Airlines have First Class Seating on the upper decks of their 747Fs. I've no idea whether these seats are for paying passengers or staff travellers and those escorting the cargo (for example stable hands travelling with racehorses) I expect it will be the latter.

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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 6:56 am

Any Ideas on prices?
Thanks for all your replies

Jeremiah Teahan  
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 9:49 am

I jumpseat all the time. My company allows its employees to utilize company aircraft for personal travel, which is free. Other carriers may allow only business travel on their aircraft. I heard some time ago that UPS was going to convert some of their planes to passenger mode on weekends or something but I don't know if that ever got "off the ground". As for riding in the cockpit: yes, our company allows jumpseaters in the cockpit, but I have never been offered cigs or porn by the pilots! I have been privileged to ride in the A300, DC-10 and 727 cockpits. As for your question about pricing, I don't think any carrier would allow a non-employee to ride in its aircraft (for legal reasons), unless UPS is still doing the cargo/passenger switch thing. If you need any more info, let me know.
 
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 10:03 am

i thought fed-ex stoped letting people use the jumpseat for travel because some employe tryed to kill the pilots with a hammer and take over the plane. While one of the pilots and enginer tryed to restrain the crazy man, the other pilot managed to land the plane even though he had a huge whole in his skull from being hit in the head in the hammer.
 
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 10:08 am

i recently checked on airline tickets from the US to Europe, namely London. 2 of the itineraries that showed up were on cargo 747s....i guess that they do let regular passengers book flights on them...the prices were not much different from any other tickets i found...

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Jderden777

Sun Apr 16, 2000 10:12 am

What routes and airlines were they?
 
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:21 pm

You've heard wrong. Employees are still allowed jumpseat privilage (a wonderful privilage at that). The incident you refer was that of a crew member who had falsified his creditials and was about to be terminated. His revenge was going to be to fly a DC-10 nose first into the hub. I personally have jumped to Europe and to Sydney and back on a fedex plane. Some of the pbest flights i've ever been on, no complaints from other passnegers, no screaming kids, lots of leg room (on the bigger jets), and great pilots. But unless you are a pilot, dispatcher, or other holder of airman certificate, most companies will not let you ride jumpseats even on the cargo birds. Exceptions are for animal carrying flights the require handlers or on board couriers.

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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 9:26 pm

Thanks! Anymore Comments?

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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Sun Apr 16, 2000 10:27 pm

UPS does have jets that are converted on weekends to carry passengers. I've seen them at Terminal A in Philadelphia (loading passengers) when I was on US Airways flights leaving terminal B. Also, there was an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer about this service about two months ago. According to interviews with passengers who've used the service, its pretty good with good legroom in coach.

I believe the flights primarily are to vacation destinations and possibly some are charters used to get passengers to cruise lines. The jets can be converted from freighter to passenger in several hours through the use of modular units for galley and bathrooms.

You might check out the UPS website to see if there is any information.
 
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Mon Apr 17, 2000 3:21 am


A couple of years ago when the Dutch Queen visited Japan she used a Martinair B747 freighter to fly her (and her entourage) to Hong Kong (where from she took the F70 to Japan). For that purpose the upper deck was fitted with "Royal seats". So I think you can hire this space (at least with Martinair) and I think the pilots don't mind as they will have flight attendents and good food on board which they usually haven't.

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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Mon Apr 17, 2000 9:40 pm

UPS uses 5 727-100QC(QF) aircraft for passenger charters. 2 remain in passenger config for the remainder of the week while the other 3 return to full freighter configuration. It takes less than 4 hours to convert with lav and galley along with overhead bins and seats. The conversions are done in Louisville and Philly. They serve an assortment of destinations the most popular tour operators that use UPS airlines are TNT and Apple Vacations. The seat pitch is different from standard commercial seats allowing more room. Yes the aircraft have windows and flight attendants.

Now here are the requirements for Jumping on UPS aircraft:
Air Carrier Inspectors, NTSB Representatives on official business.#
UPS Company Check Airmen on Company Business.#
Couriers and UPSCO Maintenance and Flight Operations Personnel essential to the operations or repair of an aircraft. #
Personnel entitled to positive space pursuant to collective bargaining agreements.#
Industry Technical Representatives on UPS Company business. #
Personnel traveling to essential Company Business.#
UPSCO flight crewmembers, mechanics, and utility employee classifications. *
All other UPSCO employees. *
Certified Airmen employed by Certified U.S. Carriers with who UPS has a reciprocal agreement.*
FAA Personnel
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Tue Apr 18, 2000 4:29 am

I had the pleasure of seeing one of the UPS 727s configured for passengers a few years ago in Aruba. I was flying Air Aruba from Aruba to Newark, I believe they were going to Boston.

I remember that the UPS flight had been delayed 5+ hours, but the passengers on that flight were a pretty jovial lot.

When I saw UPS airlines, I thought "Geez, must be a great company - they're treating their employees to a trip to Aruba!" I found out later it was a charter.
 
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RE: Being A Passenger On Cargo Airlines?

Tue Apr 18, 2000 4:49 am

Thanks  

Jeremiah Teahan
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