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New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Wed May 18, 2005 10:07 pm

Found this in the USA Today ~ Looks like they allready have plans. . . But I can't seem to find any pictures or if they rename the airport. But then again its just a study NOT Final.

New Orleans officials are studying the possibility of building a new airport in suburban St. Charles Parish or in eastern New Orleans that would totally replace the current Louis Armstrong International Airport.

The idea of building a new airport in eastern New Orleans was rejected in the early 1990s because of environmental problems and the cost.

Two other airport proposals have been circulating in political circles. The Louisiana Airport Authority, created in the early 1990s by then-Gov. Edwin Edwards, hopes to build a cargo airport between Donaldsonville and White Castle and is seeking money from the Legislature to begin the venture.


http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-05-17-new-orleans-airport_x.htm

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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Wed May 18, 2005 10:30 pm

They definatley need a new runway--a new airport would be nice--but I find Armstrong pleasantly functional and I don't believe the terminal structure is at capacity.
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Wed May 18, 2005 11:43 pm

How about making BTR (Baton Rouge) New Orleans other airport?
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Wed May 18, 2005 11:55 pm

I would love to see MSY get knocked down. A third of the airport is very nice (the Concourse D ticketing/baggage/gate area) but the rest is antiquated. The problem with these two new proposals is that both would affect Lake Pontchartrain in some way. In the end it will probably be the location which is the "lesser of the two evils" so to speak that gets the project. The one good thing I see about the proposals is that both sights would have at least one of the runways be 11,000ft. long.
 
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Thu May 19, 2005 12:44 am

Couple more articles from the local paper about Nagin's new airport thoughts:

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpa...?/base/news-3/1116395789125280.xml
http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpa...?/base/news-3/1116311405276280.xml

The environmentalists are already out in force on this issue, especially on the Bonnet Carre option, saying, and they do have a point, that the issues regarding changes and the future of Lake Pontchartrain could not be mitigated, therefore an airport should be built out there.

With regards to existing MSY runway capacity, with our current level of operations, MSY does not need additional runways, although environmental studies are being conducted for adding an additional north/south runway out at the west end of the field in St. Charles Parish. From what I've heard and observed, my thinking is that it'll never be built.

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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Thu May 19, 2005 1:18 am

From a couple of visits as a passenger, it was a pleasant enough airport to use. A little tight on the airline parking perhaps (maybe only on the day I flew). But putting it further away would increase the time to get to the city. So you could put in a high speed rail link........ ah, I see the problem! USA and high speed rail do not mix!

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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Thu May 19, 2005 1:51 am

If they built the airport in another location, would it still even be designated MSY? Since that stands for the StockYards that once occupied the land it is currently on.
 
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Thu May 19, 2005 2:40 am

When will SWA finish re-installing the gates in the concourse they are in?
 
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Thu May 19, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
If they built the airport in another location, would it still even be designated MSY

Good question. I'm thinking it would not retain the MSY code. Our airport director/board would likely petition to use something like JAZ/JZY, something to reflect the culture down here, although to me MSY does fit (MeSsY).

However, from everything I've heard, it is a pain in the rear to change airport codes, both within the FAA structure, and airline issues.

It would depend on if the current MSY would remain as an airport, or be demolished for other use (ala Stapleton).

Quoting William (Reply 7):
When will SWA finish re-installing the gates in the concourse they are in?

I'm looking at your question two ways, so I'll answer it both ways:

1) Southwest has not yet leased the gates at the end of concourse B (gates B10, B12, and B15), hence no need yet for them or us (the Avaition Board) to hang jetways from those gates.

2) the airport has just begun a program to install new jetways on all gates at MSY. Due to some funding limitiations, we are starting with only 17 (unsure where they'll go), the delivery of which will start in early 2006.

Hope one of these covered your quesiton.

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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Sun May 29, 2005 1:17 am

...resurecting an older topic here to add some thoughts.

Clearly the current MSY terminal is not at capacity in terms of runways and gate space and probably won't be for a while. Once the 8-gate addition to concourse D is completed, the terminal will have a 48-gate capacity. I believe right now only about 34 gates are in use.

The problem is that continuing to patch a 1960-era design doesn't solve many core deficiencies. Sure you can rebuild concourses and remodel the main terminal but it doesn't change the fact that the infrastructure will never adequately accommodate the current and future level of traffic. Even though MSY ranks somewhere around 40 in the country for passenger traffic, almost 100% of that traffic is O&D. This means the ticketing and arrivals areas and the airport road system realizes very high volume for a facility of it's size. The arrivals area especially is completely inadequate. During peak hours the traffic often backs up on to the access road and Airline Highway, and sometimes blocks the departures ramp. It's only going to get worse and there's no good way to fix it since the current terminal is pinned in on all sides.

If efforts fail to build a new airport at another site, I would propose building a new terminal directly to the west of the current terminal. You would have to relocate the rental car shacks and a few hangars, but I think it's plausible. You may also have to build in phases and tear down the west side of the current terminal first in order to reuse the land for part the new terminal. The new ticketing and arrivals area could be double in size/length in order to space out traffic, and the road system could be vastly improved. I would also envision a mall area inside security with local interest shops and restaurants as a jumping off point to the gate areas. An airport is often the first impression people get when visiting a city, and the current MSY terminal doesn't exactly dazzle. I think a new terminal would be an extremely worthwhile investment and the sooner the better.
 
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Sun May 29, 2005 4:07 am

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
or if they rename the airport.



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
would it still even be designated MSY?

As Tom stated, there was effort a few years ago to change the designator to JZY (along with the name change)... but that seems to have been shelved indefinitely

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):
How about making BTR (Baton Rouge) New Orleans other airport?

Which would essentially be a direct inverse of the current situation.

It's worth noting that BTR is actually larger (by land area) than MSY... and also has more airport-priority land available for purchase.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 4):
From what I've heard and observed, my thinking is that it'll never be built.

Corgan believes the same thing.

Quoting Doninfc (Reply 9):
If efforts fail to build a new airport at another site, I would propose building a new terminal directly to the west of the current terminal.

That's been proposed for decades now, building a new terminal for Southwest or some of the airlines/startups who've expressed interest in hubbing here---- but the City of Kenner ain't havin' it.

Without their support, the necessary infrastructure (i.e., tearing down some of the low-income housing and installing entry/exits to I-10) cannot happen... which has remained the sticking point for year upon year for such an endeavor.

Then there's the cost:
Nagin's people (taken with due bias into account) claim that the price of doing what I just described, plus a new runway, would be about $4B... versus $5B for an all-new world-class airport in the infrastructural league of DEN and DTW's new terminal.
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Sun May 29, 2005 5:54 am

"A third of the airport is very nice (the Concourse D ticketing/baggage/gate area) but the rest is antiquated...."

Actually, I quite like vintage airports.

Quoting Doninfc (Reply 9):
The problem is that continuing to patch a 1960-era design doesn't solve many core..

Actually, isn't MSY a 1950's design? Does anyone know when the airport was built? I'd like to say 1957-8 or so......
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Sun May 29, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10):
Which would essentially be a direct inverse of the current situation.

It's worth noting that BTR is actually larger (by land area) than MSY... and also has more airport-priority land available for purchase.

Are you trying to say that BTR is too far from MSY and New Orleans itself to be considered New Orleans other airport?
What would be cheaper? (1) Major, really major infrastructure development @ MSY, (2) A Brandnew New Orleans Airport, or (3) A Decent - Comfortable BTR with Highspeed rail service to New Orleans?
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Sun May 29, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 11):
Actually, I quite like vintage airports.

too bad business travelers, and potential hubbing airlines, don't

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 11):
Actually, isn't MSY a 1950's design?

The airfield was commissioned in 1941, but immediately commandeered by the government due to WWII.

Commercial ops began in 1946. 1947, the airport was 2nd only to (the now) MDW for title of nation's busiest from MDW... and it handled more Latin American traffic than any other in the country.

*sigh*

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
Are you trying to say that BTR is too far from MSY and New Orleans itself to be considered New Orleans other airport?

No, I'm saying that the generally-lower fairs, (limited) international service, and plethora of nonstop and alliance offerings (MSY is the only point in LA served by the Star Alliance)... tend to draw BTR pax to MSY.

BTR propaganda states that they lose about 300,000 local pax to MSY per year.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
What would be cheaper? (1) Major, really major infrastructure development @ MSY,

$4B in the shortrun, but would cost us in the longrun

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
(2) A Brandnew New Orleans Airport, or

$5B in the shortrun, but would be more benefitial longterm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
(3) A Decent - Comfortable BTR with Highspeed rail service to New Orleans?

Never going to happen:
1) too many beaurocratic lines to cross
2) benefits BTR much more than MSY

...much more likely to see the resumption of nonstop air service between the two cities than that.
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Sun May 29, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 11):
Actually, isn't MSY a 1950's design? Does anyone know when the airport was built? I'd like to say 1957-8 or so......

The current terminal opened for business in late 1959, so I guess you could say it was a 50's design. Although there's hardly anything original remaining. The original concourses (C & D) have been completely torn down and rebuilt within the last 10 years. Concourses A and B were added in the mid 70's.

Incidentially, when MSY opened in 1959, it was the first US commercial airport to have departures and arrivals separated on different levels. Very state-of-the-art for its time.
 
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RE: New Airport For New Orleans MSY?

Sun May 29, 2005 1:27 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1):
They definatley need a new runway--a new airport would be nice--but I find Armstrong pleasantly functional and I don't believe the terminal structure is at capacity.

MSY is nowhere near runway or terminal capacity, certainly not after 10/28 reopens in November

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):
How about making BTR (Baton Rouge) New Orleans other airport?

It already kindof is, but just like the White Castle alternative, it is over an hour away drivng fast

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
(3) A Decent - Comfortable BTR with Highspeed rail service to New Orleans?

BTR is tiny. It looks like a miniature ONT terminalwise. While it does have more land area, the land is inefficiently used as is and would have to undergo a total redesign. Also, the runways are short
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