B737200300
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HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 7:11 pm

Anyone heard the latest, today I guess it will happen. Both mechanic unions are going to go around with each other.
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 7:18 pm

I haven't heard anything yet. Then again, it's past 3am and likely nothing will hit the news until most of America is, at least, awake!
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 7:50 pm

The Arizona Republic says that CEO Lakefield is flying to Phoenix this (Thursday) morning.

But - according to Chairman Bronner - it may not be announced today:

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/business/s_335786.html

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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 7:57 pm

AWA employees are on pins and needles
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 8:04 pm

Quoting B737200300 (Reply 3):
AWA employees are on pins and needles

The whole industry is on pins and needles.

I feel that if this merger comes off, that we will see more mergers or near mergers like we did in the 1980's. Also more bankruptcy filings.

By near mergers I am talking about carriers selling off parts to other carriers.
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 8:07 pm

things are already happening with AWA technicians, they've sent sort a message to management...
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 8:12 pm

Just because the merger is announed does not mean it has immediately and instantly happening. Closing the transaction can take time, anywhere from a few months to a year or more.

This merger will be great for both airlines, though, I have to say. This is not one of your American Airlines style acquire-and-shred deals that took out airlines such as TWA, Reno Air, AirCal, et cetera. For that matter, this deal is infinitely better than anything US Airways ever put together in its history (let's not mention PSA and Piedmont in this conversation).

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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 8:23 pm

I am going to mention PSA. I'm glad that HP is the buyer and not the other way around. At least there's consolation in that.

I just want to hear, once and if this merger deal goes through, what their long term plan is. I've heard expansion in the midwest and to hawaii, but I want to hear about the potential rebranding, as well as fleet consolidation and whether these two are going to shift to a more point to point structure or keep it hub and spoke.
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 8:30 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 7):
'm glad that HP is the buyer and not the other way around.

I have not heard that. I have heard that it is a merger - that no one is actually buying anyone - and that one of the conditions CEO Parker has attached is that HP lays out no money.

This is one reason why the "marriage brokers" - GECAS, etc - are trying to organize finance from various other sources.

I have no idea what this will do to the value of HP shares.

As to the "vision statement" I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. I think we will discover what it is as we watch it unfold.

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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 9:22 pm

anyone know how much money US got from the Alabama Retirement fund? Could this possibly ensure Mr. Bronner an active role in the merger and leadership of the new airline?
If not now, then when?
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 10:25 pm

450m and Bronner is the President of that fund. Now you know why he is CEO of US. All Bronner and his Execs want to do is "play golf". Good luck to all.  coffee 
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Thu May 19, 2005 10:31 pm

Can anyone explain why HP wants to do this? What's in it for them but trouble? The seniority integration issues alone will be daunting. I wish them well, but they've been a successful airline just as they are. You don't see Southwest breaking the mold.....
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RE: HP/US Merge

Fri May 20, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting PhoenixX2 (Reply 10):
450m and Bronner is the President of that fund. Now you know why he is CEO of US. All Bronner and his Execs want to do is "play golf". Good luck to all.

Bronner is not the CEO of US, he is just the Chairman of the BOD. Bruce Lakefield is the golfer you speak of. Bronner has been very outspoken when it comes to the inadequate managers that have come into US. He was also responsible for asking for Dave Siegel's resignation when labor demanded.

Quoting C133 (Reply 11):
Can anyone explain why HP wants to do this? What's in it for them but trouble? The seniority integration issues alone will be daunting. I wish them well, but they've been a successful airline just as they are. You don't see Southwest breaking the mold.....

HP runs into cash problems at the end of the year having something like $70 million in the bank at that time. They are facing the same issues US is now, just delayed a couple years. The seniority issues will be a bit of a headache for employees who are not represented by similar unions. ALPA and AFA has shops at both airlines so the list merger policy is already pretty well set there - DOH.

As far as Southwest...they are making money right now thanks to their fuel hedging. It should be interesting to note that Colleen at LUV has stated that the US/HP merger is good as long as they shed about 50 aircraft. Good for the industry that is. Depends how you want to read into it, but I find it interesting that it is "good for the industry" when a competitor gets rid of their planes but its okay for that airline to keep adding more capacity. AMR has made similar comments, but at least they have shown significant capacity reductions due in part to the TWA massacre but also with the grounding of the F-100s and 727s.
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Fri May 20, 2005 12:56 am

My major problem with this merger is that this is basically combining 2 regional carriers, one eastern and one western. Looking at the route structure, there appears to be a big gap across the Midwest. If you need to get from MSY to DEN, a combined HP/US will be more time consuming than flying CO, AA, NW, or UA.

Could the combined carrier is thinking of creating a focus city at STL? That may not be the best idea. AA bailed on STL, because it doesn't have enough O&D traffic. Even WN isn't growing at STL the way it is at MDW, despite the fact that the world's largest airline cut its hub operation dramatically.

The other problem is that it looks as if HP/US plan to ferry a lot of passengers to AC's hubs for codeshare flying to Europe and Asia. This sounds like what AA tried to do with CP in the 90s, send passengers to YVR to connect to CP flights to Asia.

On the one hand, it allows the combined carrier to easy access to an international route system. But considering that most U.S. carriers are adding to their international routes, it seems that HP/US is doing the opposite, which may prove to be less profitable in the long run.

Finally, there is the seniority problem. The employees at WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW wound up at the bottom of AA's seniority list, and many are on furlough. Merging seniority lists is a difficult proposition. About the only merger that had little trouble was DL/WA, because there were similar in size and distribution.
 
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RE: HP/US Merge

Fri May 20, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 12):
Bronner is not the CEO of US, he is just the Chairman of the BOD. Bruce Lakefield is the golfer you speak of.

Sorry Ouboy79.... still having my coffee. Bottom line, he wants his money.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 12):
HP runs into cash problems at the end of the year having something like $70 million in the bank at that time

Where did you get your info about 70m in the bank???