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HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 10:20 pm

According to the USAToday, the merger between America West and US Airways could be announced this afternoon, reported the Pittsburgh Gazette.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 10:34 pm

So I assume with this merger--the existing route structure will remain intact--with additional routes coming online late? For example--I could expect to see the new US Airways flying from IAH to PHX, LAS, CLT, PIT, PHL, and DCA?
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 10:36 pm

today at 1pm PAcific Time.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 10:37 pm

According to one of the PIT papers, it could also slide...

"The announcement, while expected this afternoon, could also slide a day or two, according to US Airways Chairman David Bronner, who told Bloomberg News that the agreement may come at the end of this week or early next week."
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 10:44 pm

This is the first one of a series of mergers coming to the US airline industry. There is no way around it. Too many airlines.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 10:56 pm

Who do you think will be the other airlines to merge?
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:01 pm

Alaska and American.

Delta and Continental.

JetBlue and Spirit.

Mesa and United.

Northwest and Frontier.

Of course I could be wrong.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:02 pm

CO - NW - DL leaving AA out in the cold. Who would want to M with UA?
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:11 pm

back to drerx7's question - i think very little original components for both airlines will remain 'intact'. route/hub restructuring; fleet simplification; maintenance, reservations, etc. consolidation...these all seem to be automatic if any savings and efficiencies are to be realized. and there undoubtedly will be associated job cuts.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:22 pm

Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!

Ozark....sorry man, I think your wrong on all of them  Smile, but its a hard industry to predict. I think we have to wait till the next 2 are caught in a room chatting!

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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):
Alaska and American.

Bill Gates already made sure that's not going to happen by buying a big chunk of stock and blocking AA from taking over some years ago.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):

Of course I could be wrong.

Of course ....
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:33 pm

The problem is not too many airlines or overcapacity. The planes are all flying full or nearly full. The problems are 1) the airlines underpricing their fares to get business and the public demanding too much for too little and 2) management and employees who are working in a 2005 cutthroat environment with a 1965 mentality ("that's not my job", "we'll just screw the employees and customers", "full pay till the last day", "But I've got more seniority", etc.)

Every one of those mentalities needs to be thrown out the window. And the airlines start charging fares high enough to cover their operations.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):
Alaska and American.



Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!

I agree. While I do think that if AA were to merge with another airline, it would be AS, and if AS were to merge with another airline, it would be AA, but I doubt that either really has an appetite right now for a merger.

These two companies have arguably come farther since 9/11 in restructuring their operations and remodeling their business to aim for sustained profitability. Both have come so far and I think that the management teams of both AA and AS are far too focused on fixing their own problems without having to worry about industry consolidation.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:44 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!

Pleeeeese don't! We don't need AA vampiring another airline! Especially not Alaska, a class act that still stands out amongst the rest!
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Thu May 19, 2005 11:51 pm

spot on, mattd. you hear about these record high load factors - what difference does it make if the seats are being sold at dirt cheap levels?

it's a simplistic view, but i think there is a large component of the flying public now that would still pay $200 for a flight - even if a competitor was offering one for $160 - especially if the $200 fare came on a carrier that the customer preferred for whatever reason. sure, you are always going to have the customers who go with "lowest price", but i don't think that is or needs to be the prevailing driver.

if US/HP goes thru, i'd think the focus we need to be on a route structure and overall product that is competitive with other carriers - especially the LCCs - on its own merits, without the emphasis being on matching the low fares.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 12:17 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 11):
The problem is not too many airlines or overcapacity. The planes are all flying full or nearly full.

This is not even close to true... fly non-rev a lot on any airlines and you know it's easy to find flights that aren't full all the time. Sure, some airlines may be experiencing record load factors, but certainly not all of them. There IS indeed a problem with overcapacity.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting SBN580 (Reply 13):
Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
Alaska-American, not going to happen! We are not merging with a major and AA isn't buying us!


Pleeeeese don't! We don't need AA vampiring another airline! Especially not Alaska, a class act that still stands out amongst the rest!

SBN580..you just made my respected users list....LOL..."vampiring" what a perfect description!
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 12:36 am

This morning's Arizona Republic has US Airways CEO Bruce Lakefield arriving in PHX on an HP flight - probably not flying in on US so he could duck questions from his own people!
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 12:40 am

It's a non-stop flight from DCA that's why he flew America West.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 12:52 am

I have a feeling we are back in the cycle of a few mergers, few bankruptcies, and then a rash of a new start ups.

As far as who is next...who knows. HP/US was really the only gimme in the industry. However, it would come to logic that Alaska, AirTran, Frontier, or other niche carriers will become targets soon.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 1:05 am

I have always thought that if FL and F9 flew the same aircraft, they would be a good fit. If FL didn't have a large 717 fleet, a WN/FL combination wouldn't be out of the question.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 1:05 am

It's not necessarily an issue of over-capacity.

Fuel. Big-Time.

The new HP/US, if anything, will give the new entity more "Pricing-Power" in the marketplace. Increased market share means better chances of fare-increases "sticking".

Planes can fly full all day and all night, but if the fares don't cover the costs, it ain't gonna work. Plain and simple.

The US Airline Network is operating under a plague of low-fares with little or no relevance to the actual value of the service. (And at the same time, people in hub-dominated markets are being gouged without mercy.)
It's an un-fair system at the moment....something's gotta give.

This is but only the first step.

There will be more.....but please.....leave Alaska/Horizon alone.

The first thing I wonder about, if history teaches us nothing, will this be another East coast (Midwest) airline, taking over another West coast (Mountainwest) airline; only to see the Western USA network erode into nothing....?

Republic<>Hughes Air West
American<> AirCal
American<>RenoAir
USAir<>Pacific Southwest
Continental<>Frontier

And to an extent Delta<>Western, although, Delta has done the best job of the lot in maintaining the most of their acquired West markets.

I respect Southwest Airlines (a lot), but do we really want to see 300-400 flights a day out of Phoenix? And Las Vegas...?
Possible scenario if US Airways has not yet learned from past transgressions.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 1:19 am

HP and HA

Quoting Stirling (Reply 21):
The first thing I wonder about, if history teaches us nothing, will this be another East coast (Midwest) airline, taking over another West coast (Mountainwest) airline; only to see the Western USA network erode into nothing....?

Given the size of HP's western ops, I seriously doubt it will be eroded, especially considering that HP is running the show.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 1:20 am

So the HP-US merger could be called HELP-US?

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 6):
Delta and Continental.

JetBlue and Spirit.

Mesa and United.

Northwest and Frontier.

Why not WN merge with NW and call themselves "All-West"?

Mesa and UA could be called "United-Mess"?

A DL/CO merger could contract with the US State Department and call themselves "ConDe Air". Their LCC would be "ConDeSong".

JetBlue and Spirit would become "Blue Spirit"?

AA and Alaska could be "49 States"?

I'd say NW and Frontier could NW Terroritories, but I believe Canada already has that name locked in.

Why can't UA and US merge into "Chapter 11 Air"?
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 1:43 am

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 15):
There IS indeed a problem with overcapacity.

No, MattD was right, the planes are at higher than ever load factors, the problem is the major's costs are too high to compete with the LCC's and fuel prices.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 1:58 am

Quoting RyeFly (Reply 18):
It's a non-stop flight from DCA that's why he flew America West.

He probably also wanted to receive better service then US... Smile
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 2:20 am

I show Lakefield arrived in PHX this morning off HP805...Surely someone at HP in AZ has seen some commotion by now?
I have to admit though, I remember during the much more discreetly planned DL/CO merger in ’98 (or was it ’99?) it got down to the point where everyone was in Houston to make an announcement, and it still didn't fly. Bethune was not happy with what would have happened with the CO employees in the end.
Just have to wait and see I guess.

[Edited 2005-05-19 19:22:41]
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 2:26 am

I remember during the much more discreetly planned DL/CO merger in ’98 (or was it ’99?) it got down to the point where everyone was in Houston to make an announcement, and it still didn't fly.

It actually got that far? Wouldn't everyone have been in Atlanta for the announcement, though? DL at that time was a far stronger company than they are now and would have been the likely survivor.
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Fri May 20, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 27):
Wouldn't everyone have been in Atlanta

They were in Houston to break the news to CO employees. Thankfully they didn't have to.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 2:47 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 23):
AA and Alaska could be "49 States"?

Throw in HA and call it "The Whole Shebang".

Why not AS - F9? Alaska is doing comparatively well right now, and they could use that interior feed. Horizon is already flying those Frontier CRJs out of Denver anyway.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 2:52 am

Why not AS - F9?

Fleet commonality, primarily. AS is in the process of going to an all-737 fleet. F9 is steadily going all Airbus.

Also, both carriers stand to gain quite a bit as stand-alone entities if/when UA fails. AS will gain major ground up and down the west coast, especially in the Bay Area market while F9 will have a field day in DEN.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 3:18 am

I think there is overcapacity in the market place, and it boils down to the simple principle of supply and demand. Right now, there is too much supply, which gives little help to the airlines when they want to raise the ticket prices. Sure, a lot of flights may be going out full, but the passengers on those planes are paying rock bottom fares (I recently saw an article comparing current fares to those in 1990). If the industry can reduce the supply of ASMs, then the airlines will have more power to raise the ticket prices. If the supply is reduced and demand stays the same, prices will go up.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 3:59 am

There will be a piece on the possible merger on FOX News - Your World with Neil Cavuto - at 4pm EDT if anyone is interested.....
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 4:08 am

hey, after reading so many threads about the name of the merger, i figured nothing was determined... todayI heard on the news hat they will operate under the US airways brand, is this correct?

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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 4:12 am

I heard on the news hat they will operate under the US airways brand, is this correct?

Word is that they'll operate under the more-recognized US Airways brand, but re-brand to a completely new name and identity further down the line.

Since a major source of the funding comes from US Airways' regional feeder Republic, I'm betting the combined airline will eventually re-brand under the "Republic Airlines" name, since it was a well known brand that did not carry the "baggage" that the HP and US names do (bankruptcies, etc).
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 34):
Since a major source of the funding comes from US Airways' regional feeder Republic, I'm betting the combined airline will eventually re-brand under the "Republic Airlines" name, since it was a well known brand that did not carry the "baggage" that the HP and US names do (bankruptcies, etc).

If that is true, I hope that they bring "Herman" the duck back! Fly the route of the Northliners....I know that is North Central, but Herman later represented Republic, too....
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 4:17 am

F9 is steadily going all Airbus.
Correction: F9 has gone all Airbus. No 737s left.

The conjecture earlier about F9+NW is pretty funny. I wouldn't hold my breath.

If F9 were to merge, it would be with one of their true peers... meaning (most likely) jetBlue. Perhaps Spirit post-MD80. AirTran as a long shot (737 issue). Certainly not NW.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 4:32 am

You oughta see the Yahoo finance message board for HP - it's being flooded by a handful of professional "THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!" worrywarts predicting thousands of layoffs, the combined HQ moving to VA instead of staying in AZ, etc.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 4:44 am

CNBC states that it is going to happen and will be announced after the closing bell of the NYSE.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 4:48 am

those worrywarts may be correct - i'm sure significant layoffs are very likely with the merger. there will naturally be redundancies to be eliminated and efficiences to be realized to yield any cost savings.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 5:34 am

From CNBC- Trading of AWA stock has been frozen as the 'deal is done'. Announcement expected soon after the market closes.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 5:49 am

As a ex employee of the first Republic, I hope they do not use the name or bring back Herman.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting Junction (Reply 26):
Bethune was not happy with what would have happened with the CO employees in the end.

Reading the negative, and downright mean things that were said about Mr. Bethune over in another thread made me cringe....those yahoos would have felt a whole lot different, or at least been a tad more open-minded, and not said the things they did.... had they the priveledge of working for him and his company, or took a minute to get to know him...most CO employees I know, would defend that man to the death.

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But we're talking about HP/US...sorry. Had to vent.
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 8:35 am

It has been announced HP and has merged with US.
 
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 11:18 am

The name of the Merger will be???

America West / Us airways So....

West Airways
America is US
Us West
West america
Amway...wait that one is already taken !

abm air (another boring merger !)
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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 11:42 am

Yehhh its finally a Done Deal

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RE: HP/US Merger Could Be Announced Today, May 19

Fri May 20, 2005 6:31 pm

It is already in the newspaper here in Canada

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