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Fri May 20, 2005 10:26 am

I think this will open the doors for more mergers! Any ideas on who other likely pairs would be.
 
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Fri May 20, 2005 3:22 pm

TAP and Varig....
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Fri May 20, 2005 3:37 pm

Delta and Continental
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Fri May 20, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):

I'm running the other way.

Signed,
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Fri May 20, 2005 6:17 pm

Frontier & Spirit would be a good match.

Keeping the Frontier name, after all they have the Spirit of the West.
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Fri May 20, 2005 6:27 pm

LH and OS, so LH can dominate the German speaking world...
 Wink



...even more
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
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Fri May 20, 2005 8:04 pm

In the US:

Northwest and Air Tran?
Northwest and Alaskan?

Delta and Continental?

In Europe?
Iberia and British Airways
Finnair and British Airways
Lufthansa and LOT
Olympic and Alitalia  Wink
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Fri May 20, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Olympic and Alitalia

Between them they might just manage to operate a cappucino machine - an airline ? I have my doubts  Smile
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Fri May 20, 2005 9:46 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Northwest and Alaskan?

If that ever happened (I doubt it would) I would lead the armed uprising myself! NW is among one of the worst airlines as far as working behind the scenes (sp?) to try and help the passenger. gnasher 

My vote AS and Airtran?????  scratchchin 
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Fri May 20, 2005 9:51 pm

New Zealand and Qantas.
BMI and BA  Wink
LH and every european airline with less than 50 a/c in their fleet!!!

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Fri May 20, 2005 9:53 pm

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2):
Delta and Continental

What does DL bring to the table other then massive debt? Not going to happen.

In the US I really do not see much if any mergers going to happen anytime soon.
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Fri May 20, 2005 10:08 pm

Continental and Alaska
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Fri May 20, 2005 11:38 pm

EK buys everyone out
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 12:05 am

TAP and Varig won't be a merger without help from the Brazilian gov't. Brazilian law will restict TAP to owning no more than 20%.

I'm not convinced US/HP is a good thing, I think it would've been better to let US die. I don't see where any mergers in the states really will solve any of the problems. I'm afraid Parker wanted the merger badly enough that he isn't seeing the true costs.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 12:30 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Northwest and Air Tran?

Why? Most US LCCs (except TZ and DH) are either making a profit or experiencing less losses than their legacy rivals.

While a legacy carrier would love to buy a LCC just for the sake of eliminating competition; HP/US merger notwithstanding, any other LCC CEO that has half a brain isn't going to touch a legacy carrier with a 10-foot pole. Joe Leonard would have to be on drugs to allow NW (or worse, DL) to buy FL.

US is weak enough for HP to successfully pull it off. That can not be said about the other legacy carriers (UA though weakened and still in Chapter 11 is still a much larger carrier than US).
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Sat May 21, 2005 12:55 am

Alaska and someone - probably either CO or AA. There's fleet compatability issues with NW, otherwise I'd put them in the race too. I'd guess CO might want it more, as insurance on the West Coast against a DL failure.

Almost any other US combination among the "legacies" runs into severe anti-trust issues, except NW/CO, and they have incompatable fleets. And no one is going to touch DL in its current financial condition. If DL wasn't such a balance sheet basket-case, I'd say DL/AA would be a possibility (with some anti-trust driven divestures required.)

Frontier/Spirit would be a very interesting combination.

Airtran/Midwest is a possibility, but I still think FL will wait for Midwest to fold and snap up the 717s in the bankruptcy sale. I just don't think FL is that interested in MKE.

No possible dance partners for WN - the only major US LCC that runs 737s is AirTran, and WN wouldn't want their 717s or their hub operations.

JetBlue and Frontier is an outside possibility - I'd love to see it, except I think Neeleman already has his long-term battle plan in mind and a merger just isn't in there. (Also, we'd lose the animal tails. Look, penguins!  Big grin )

The MadDogs make Allegiant a no-go right now.

If we ever get loosening of the foreign ownership rules, I'd look for a US LCC to make a play for WestJet, either WN or FL. B6 or F9 would be a better cultural fit than WN, but fleet compatability rears its ugly head here. And if we did get such a rules change, then I'd look for Air Canada to merge with "New US."

Outside North America? BMI and Virgin Atlantic's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 3:04 am

LCCs are not going to want to purchase any legacy carriers. HP considers itself an LCC, but it was not originally so HP and US are similar in that they are both attempting to be come LCCs.

Nobody will touch UA or DL and anything with AA would have antitrust problems. Mix and match your favorites among the rest.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 3:50 am

I really don't understand, why anybody would think that Delta and Continental make a good match. Both have a hub in New York, one each in the South, and one each in Ohio. There is absolutely no point to this combination.

Here in the US, United will probably be the next one to make a move. In order to bring their operating cost on par with American, they will need a similar fleet size. They have currently around 450 active (of which they may lose up to 100 due to looming repossessions), American has 700+. So United would have a need for 300+ aircraft.
I think that either UAL and Continental or UAL and Delta would make a good match. In either case UAL would get two things they are lacking right now: a hub in the South and one in New York.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 6:40 am

HP-US and UA with help from Airbus and becoming an all Airbus operator and with the A380 flying to LHR !

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Sat May 21, 2005 6:44 am

International

QF & NZ

Domestic

DL & NW
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Sat May 21, 2005 6:47 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
In the US:
Iberia and British Airways

I don't know if you're very farmiliar with the Spanish people, but if you were, you would know that not in a million years would they give up their national airline. The government already fights like hell on behalf of Iberia, and there is nothing in the world that would make the Spanish budge from their solid backing of their national airline (I say this after spending considerable time there and observing the extremely strong national sentiment there). I don't think the Spanish government would even be up to giving BA majority ownership in IB, even if it stayed Iberia. I also don't know if the British would really like running a hub out of Madrid, and would it make that much sense for them to fly long hauls as 'British Airways' our of Spain?

I think something like Northwest and Alaska is much more feasible. Besides the fleet commonality issues, the AS route structure would be very beneficial to NW, as they are "Northwest" after all, and they have somewhat of an international presence at Sea-Tac, some Intra-Alaska routes and West Coast/Transcons from Seattle couldn't hurt I'm sure.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Expressjetphx (Reply 20):
I don't think the Spanish government would even be up to giving BA majority ownership in IB, even if it stayed Iberia. I also don't know if the British would really like running a hub out of Madrid, and would it make that much sense for them to fly long hauls as 'British Airways' our of Spain?

That kills the dream of a united Europe right there, doesn't it?

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Sat May 21, 2005 7:03 am

I'm putting my hopes on a HP-HA or HP-AS merger way down the line. Big grin I know that it's unlikely in the case of AS, but one can dream.
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Sat May 21, 2005 7:08 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 15):
Almost any other US combination among the "legacies" runs into severe anti-trust issues, except NW/CO, and they have incompatable fleets. And no one is going to touch DL in its current financial condition. If DL wasn't such a balance sheet basket-case, I'd say DL/AA would be a possibility (with some anti-trust driven divestures required.)

Which is precisely why the major airlines & financiers are lobbying for specific marriages and outcomes to be permitted, either thru one-off exemptions to anti-trust (& foreign ownership) laws or changes to the laws.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 7:26 am

Northwest Airlines, Hawaiian Airlines, Spirit = Northwest Airlines
Bases: MSP, DTW, MEM, HNL, NRT
Focus: AMS, IND, LAX, MKE, FLL, OGG
Aircraft: 319, 320, 753, 332, 333, 744

Alitalia, Olympic, Kuwait Airways, Emirates = Emirates
Bases: DXB, MXP, FCO, KWI, ATH
Focus: AKL, LHR, SKG, VCE
Aircraft: 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 345, 380

Aloha Airlines, Southwest Airlines, ATA = Southwest Airlines
Bases: MDW, DAL, OAK, LAX, BWI, LAS, PHX, HNL
Focus: SJC, SAN, SMF, FLL, PHL, OGG
Aircraft: 735, 73G

Air New Zealand and Qantas = Qantas
Bases: SYD, AKL, MEL
Focus: LAX, CHC, BNE, SIN
Aircraft: 319, 320, 332, 333, 345, 380

FinnAir and SAS = SAS
Bases: OSL, ARN, HEL, CPH
Focus: GOT, LHR
Aircraft: 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343

SN Brussels and KLM/Air France = Air France
Bases: CDG, AMS, BRU
Focus: LYS, NCE, LHR
Aircraft: 318, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 345, 380

Jet Blue and Frontier = Jet Blue
Bases: JFK, IAD, LGB, DEN
Focus: LAX, OAK, FLL, BOS
Aircraft: 318, 319, 320

American Airlines and Alaska Airlines = American Airlines
Bases: LAX, ANC, SEA, PDX, DFW, ORD, JFK, MIA, SJU
Focus: LHR, SFO, SJC, BOS, FLL, LAS, YVR
Aircraft: M80, 738, 752, 763, 772


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Sat May 21, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Northwest and Alaskan?

Who's Alaskan? Are they an airline? Never heard of 'em... Wink

UA and CO next year at some point after UA emerges. Best matchup for routes, plus CO pax will finally get access to LHR. IAH-LHR, EWR-LHR, CLE-LHR, who knows...
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Sat May 21, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 25):
UA and CO next year at some point after UA emerges.

No way in h*ll. CO has a good thing going, they are slowly inching towards profitability, and closer to making money than any other legacy after AA. There is no way they are going to wreck the positive steps in the right direction they have been experiencing and merge with an airline twice the size with five times the issues.

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 25):
Best matchup for routes, plus CO pax will finally get access to LHR. IAH-LHR, EWR-LHR, CLE-LHR, who knows...

IAH and CLE could never be served from LHR, at least not under current bilateral treaty, Bermuda II. CO's only service to LHR, if hypothetically they purchased UA, would be from EWR or other approved LHR destinations.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 25):
IAH-LHR, EWR-LHR, CLE-LHR,

IAH, CLE are not permitted to Heathrow


Regards - Kahala777
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 8:28 am

Continental does not have that much going for them. If the crude price stays at current levels until next year, and pricing power does not improve, they will run out of cash sooner rather than later.

United on the other hand is inching towards profitability. The enormous losses reported for Q1 are mostly non-cash items and one-time payments, i.e. to the PBGC. Nonetheless United was cash-positive and posted a modest operating profit in March. They have ways to go obviously, but they are moving in the right direction.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 8:29 am

My guess is that the most likely merger of all would have AS involved and the interested parties would be AA (most likely) or perhaps CO because they are the weakest in the northwest.

The Northwest and Hawaiian idea mentioned by Kahala777 is interestingly possible but I don't see why NW would go for Spirit. The idea of Jet Blue and Frontier is also possible.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 8:36 am

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 29):
My guess is that the most likely merger of all would have AS involved and the interested parties would be AA (most likely) or perhaps CO because they are the weakest in the northwest.

I agree. AS is definitely the most attractive takeover target as it is already the codesharing slut of the United States, and I further agree that AA would be the most likely purchasing party because it's network is probably best suited to AS' and it has the most cash with which to make an offer. That being said, I highly doubt that AA or any other airline would make a play for AS or any other airline any time soon -- just too expensive!
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 9:26 am

Why no one mentioned UA and NW? This will make the strongest alliance covering most corner of the world there is to be imagined (well, except Africa).. And they have the most fleet commonality with exception of A330, 767 and 737.

Think of the 5th freedom rights they get to use out of LHR, NRT, HKG and think about what they can accomplish out of it.

Just my 2 cent! 

[Edited 2005-05-21 02:50:08]
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 9:43 am

What I said above for CO/DL is also true for UA/NW: There is too much overlap in their route structure: What should a combined entity do with three(!) hubs in the Midwest? Both already have comprehensive traffic rights of Asia, while both are comparatively weak on the eastern seaboard, NW more so than UA.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 9:52 am

I think a combine NW and UA will reborn the new PanAm era flying for a single US carrier.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 9:54 am

Quoting Co757 (Thread starter):
I think this will open the doors for more mergers!

To the contrary - like the UA and US bankruptcies have done to the feasibility of legacies going Chapter 11, the US/HP attempt will likely CLOSE the merger doors to other legacy mergers in the immediate term, not open them.

[Edited 2005-05-21 03:12:24]
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Sat May 21, 2005 10:01 am

NW and UA stand as good a chance of merging as AMTRAK with JB HUNT Trucking. Why have labor problems, then go out a merge with another carrier with just as severe labor problems as you have now?
That makes no sense at all.
I can see NW trying for Frontier or perhaps Hawaiian. CO or AA with perhaps Alaska.
Airtran and Midwest seems like the best bet for the next one.
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Sat May 21, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 8):
NW is among one of the worst airlines as far as working behind the scenes (sp?) to try and help the passenger

How would you know what it's like to work here?

Quoting SeaMeFly (Reply 31):
Why no one mentioned UA and NW? This will make the strongest alliance covering most corner of the world there is to be imagined (well, except Africa)

Would never happen, not in a million years. That combo would define what anti-trust perameters.
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Sat May 21, 2005 12:31 pm

Two months ago, everyone was saying Branson and Virgin were eyeing US Airways for the A320 fleet and the certificate to start Virgin America. What about the outside possibility of this happening to DH? I think the Virgin Marketing could go a long way for DH.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 1:36 pm

i think the most natural merger should be airtran + Spirit...
then CO + NW, if the antitrust laws allow it.
agree on Jetblue + frontier
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Northwest and Alaskan?

{Confused} Huh?

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 8):
My vote AS and Airtran?????

Big in the Northwest and the Southeast - not bad at all - and an all-Boeing fleet?

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 11):
Continental and Alaska

This doesn't sound so bad, with Continental having their international network in IAH and their East Coast flying - if only there was a stronger SE United States presence, and a bit more beefed in the Midwest (CLE doesn't strike me as strong enough).

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 17):
I really don't understand, why anybody would think that Delta and Continental make a good match. Both have a hub in New York, one each in the South, and one each in Ohio. There is absolutely no point to this combination

BINGO!!!

Personally, I'd like to see AA and AS, as mentioned by Kahala777:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
American Airlines and Alaska Airlines = American Airlines
Bases: LAX, ANC, SEA, PDX, DFW, ORD, JFK, MIA, SJU
Focus: LHR, SFO, SJC, BOS, FLL, LAS, YVR
Aircraft: M80, 738, 752, 763, 772

Can't help but be an all-Boeing fan!! Wouldn't seem so great on the Pacific, but major bases in SEA, LAX (not sure of the gate situation there of the two), ORD, DFW and MIA - not sure how strong this would be at JFK, either  scratchchin . Maybe someone could help me out there. But, other than this, the Atlantic routes would be OK, the Carribean locked - this would be a fantastic merger, except - what would happen with the regional flying? Horizon is a great company, but would Eagle get the routes, or would Eagle and Horizon be forced together?

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Sat May 21, 2005 2:07 pm

Quoting Flyibaby (Reply 37):
Two months ago, everyone was saying Branson and Virgin were eyeing US Airways for the A320 fleet and the certificate to start Virgin America. What about the outside possibility of this happening to DH? I think the Virgin Marketing could go a long way for DH.

When anti-trust and foreign investement issues are resolved........

For those concerned that the HP/US management team isn't the best, perhaps there is third element to the group waiting in the shadows.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 2:08 pm

Why not add Frontier to the HP/US merger? There'd be fleet commonality, minimal route overlap and they'd get a Denver hub. Sure such a scenario would be remote but it would seem like a good fit.
 
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Sat May 21, 2005 3:01 pm

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):
What does DL bring to the table other then massive debt? Not going to happen.

In the US I really do not see much if any mergers going to happen anytime soon.

Besides massive debt, DL brings alot of assets with it that can be easily synergized with CO. The same could be said for US....what makes DL any less desirable than US? This could happen through financing of a third party like Boeing....possibly tied to a 50+ order of the 787. It's no more unlikely than the HP/US merger.
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Sat May 21, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting SeaMeFly (Reply 31):
Why no one mentioned UA and NW?

That will never happen, not in a million years. If the government wouldn't let US and UA merge, they're sure as hell not going to let UA and NW merge. Why would NW want to take on UA's problems anyway?

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 42):
Besides massive debt, DL brings alot of assets with it that can be easily synergized with CO.

DL is too much like CO for this to work. Like somebody said, both have southern hubs, both have NYC area hubs, both have Ohio hubs, both have similar European routes, and both have extensive East coast operations. Ideally you'd want two airlines to merge that complement each other like HP and US do, not completely overlap each other. Then you'd also have those pesky anti-trust laws again too.
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Sat May 21, 2005 4:17 pm

How about YV/OH? Or YV/EV? Or why not YV/OH/EV? DLs looking to sell one or both of them off for the money, and JLo would LOVE to get his mits on more DL flying.
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Sat May 21, 2005 4:24 pm

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 8):
My vote AS and Airtran?????

You Beat me to it!!!!!!!

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 25):
Who's Alaskan? Are they an airline? Never heard of 'em...

 laughing 


I was thinking DL and UA.........................
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Sat May 21, 2005 5:04 pm

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 15):
Alaska and someone - probably either CO or AA. There's fleet compatability issues with NW, otherwise I'd put them in the race too. I'd guess CO might want it more, as insurance on the West Coast against a DL failure.

I Agree with your Continental/Alaska theory. People have said many times that it will be Continental and United, But the Alaska thing Fits. Continental and Alaska are in "The least amount" of financial turmoil and it would be a great wedding. If it did happen, That would give Continenal the West Coast Presence they need. Combined they would have Cleveland, Newark, Houston, South America, Much Presence in California, And Dominate SEA, And through out Alaska, And Besides Continentals Stake in Europe and China. I think Alaska is there best bet. Just my Opinion.
 
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RE: HP/US To Wed! Who Will Will Be Next?

Sat May 21, 2005 5:23 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Northwest and Alaskan?

That rumor has been going on for DECADES...and it has never happened. And I dont think it ever will. By the way..its ALASKA, not Alaskan....

Quoting Qxq400 (Reply 8):
My vote AS and Airtran?????

I know its pure fun, but IMO....fat chance! LOL!

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 11):
Continental and Alaska

You're pullin my leg right? Nice try tho! LOL!

I know I shouldn't say 'never' but Im going to say it anyway: AS is never going to be bought out by another carrier. They are too profitable in their system and the route system itself is very unique. Which means that buying out AS would be very, very, very expensive. I have heard ther rumors of AS being bought out by NW many many times as well as AA has had interests, but no facts have ever backed that up. Its nice to dream, but its not going to happen.
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RE: HP/US To Wed! Who Will Will Be Next?

Sat May 21, 2005 8:33 pm

SeaMeFly, reply 31:
Why no one mentioned UA and NW? This will make the strongest alliance covering most corner of the world there is to be imagined (well, except Africa).. And they have the most fleet commonality with exception of A330, 767 and 737.

Think of the 5th freedom rights they get to use out of LHR, NRT, HKG and think about what they can accomplish out of it.


No way in hell DOJ would approve a UA/NW merger without the combined airline divesting huge chunks of their Pacific operation, so the 5th freedom rights advantage just isn't there.

And as for fleets, you forgot that UA has 777, NW doesn't.
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RE: HP/US To Wed! Who Will Will Be Next?

Sat May 21, 2005 8:56 pm

Quoting Co757 (Reply 46):
That would give Continenal the West Coast Presence they need.

CO doesn't "need" a physical presence in lower-yield intra-West Coast markets with its own metal - it's better off using codeshares with airlines whose business plans allow them to operate successfully in that environment.
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