Pe@rson
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IB To JNB And LAX

Fri May 20, 2005 8:43 pm

How is IB's five-times-weekly, 340-operated service from MAD to JNB performing?

When did IB cease its MAD-LAX service? Does Southern CA have a large Spanish population?
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Fri May 20, 2005 9:11 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
When did IB cease its MAD-LAX service? Does Southern CA have a large Spanish population?

Iberia's own service to LAX ran from the mid 1980s until the early 1990s using B747s 2-3x per week either nonstop to Madrid or via Chicago.
Iberia then continued to service LAX via daily code share on Carnival Airlines using A300s until Carnivals purchase by Pan Am II in 1997.

While Los Angeles has a huge Latino culture and population base, the Spanish citizenry itself only numbers about 12,000 people. Less than other relatively small European countries including Romania, Greece, Yugoslavia, Sweden, Ireland, Netherlands which all account for larger populations counts in the LA area. In addition Spain has few cultural or business ties with Los Angeles and thus in general is a low yield destination.

I would expect to see Alitalia return to Los Angeles before Iberia tries the market again. Italy as a comparison has over 40,000 of its citizens residing in Southern California plus strong business links especially in the design and fashion industries.

Iberia has a pretty week network to the US. Even its MAD-NY services are not flown more then once daily.
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Fri May 20, 2005 9:16 pm

Thanks.  

Just one small correction:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Even its MAD-NY services are not flown more then once daily

In fact it currently 12-times-weekly, but this will, again, increase to twice-daily in the peak summer.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
Iberia has a pretty week network to the US.

Yeah. Currently JFK (12-times-weekly), MIA (daily; used to be twice-daily, probably before the break-up of its MIA base); and ORD (daily).

[Edited 2005-05-20 14:38:01]
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Fri May 20, 2005 9:35 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
Just one small correction:

Thanks for the correction. With all my trips to/from JFK, had never noticed that they had more then one daily flight!
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Fri May 20, 2005 9:50 pm

IB service to JNB is now 5x weekly - I seem to remember that it (re)started with 3x weekly, so presumably it's doing OK. They served JNB up until the late 80's as I recall with DC8's then DC10's (don't think it was ever a 747/74M), but dropped the route during the sanctions era, and restarted the route a few years ago.
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
Yeah. Currently JFK (12-times-weekly), MIA (daily; used to be twice-daily, probably before the break-up of its MIA base); and ORD (daily).

And a daily flight to San Juan.

Word is MIA-MAD will go 10x weekly this winter.
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 12:25 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
With all my trips to/from JFK, had never noticed that they had more then one daily flight!

It's seasonal I believe.
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 6:19 am

so let me get it clear? is Iberia starting to fly to LAX again??? That would just be wonderful! in the past my mother has gone to Madrid and she had to get an AA flight to Chicago then transfer on to Iberia and the transfer she says is a pain in the you know what. I remember her saying she had to get a train in the airport to change terminals inside the airport.
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 7:59 am

Quoting SonicZoom87 (Reply 7):
so let me get it clear? is Iberia starting to fly to LAX again???

NO! the post states,

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
When did IB cease its MAD-LAX service?
 
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 11:40 am

There are no longer any flights from IAD to MAD . There used to be a United flight and then Spanair. Any chance Iberia would consider IAD in the near future?
 
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 12:30 pm

Would be nice to see AZ back, would be with the 772 I suppose. Perhaps it'll happen?

In the meantime, it looks like AZ M11s have been spotted in the database, what is the official status on them?
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 2:49 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
(don't think it was ever a 747/74M)

I can recall seeing IB 747s at JNB.
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 3:11 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Does Southern CA have a large Spanish population?

Uh huge, dont forget all Mexicans date back to Spain at one point or another, and what do we have in SoCal Mexicans Mexicans Mexicans.
 
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sat May 21, 2005 5:37 pm

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 12):
Uh huge, dont forget all Mexicans date back to Spain

This doesn't apply in this topic. We are talking about Spaniards who have left Spain and settled in California.

If we apply the case you mention then most of Latinamericans would be Spanish.

As has been said, the Spanish (from Spain, Europe...not Mexico, North America which are Mexicans) population in southern CA is just about 12,000 people.
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sun May 22, 2005 6:43 am

Iberia has two daily flights to JFK each day (All year round). One leaves Madrid at 1:10pm and the other leaves at 5:17 pm. From JFK one leaves at 6:00 pm and the other at 9:25 pm.

The JNB route does pretty well, the flight somtimes upgradeds to an A340-600.

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In the Summer season both flights will be ocasionally be upgraded to the A340-600 the 1:10 pm flight out of MAD is sopposed to be flown by the A340-600 daily but in the Spring and Winter season the flight is usually operated by the A340-300. The 5:17 pm flight out of MAD is sopposed to be operated by the A340-300 regulary. The 1:10 out of MAD was flown by the 747s till January.

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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sun May 22, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 13):
Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 12):
Uh huge, dont forget all Mexicans date back to Spain

This doesn't apply in this topic. We are talking about Spaniards who have left Spain and settled in California.

If we apply the case you mention then most of Latinamericans would be Spanish.

As has been said, the Spanish (from Spain, Europe...not Mexico, North America which are Mexicans) population in southern CA is just about 12,000 people.

Totally agree; what do Mexicans in southern CA have to do with Spain? Not much at all. Other than the fact Mexico and California were once colonies of Spain [over a century and half ago!!], there are no ties.

New York and other eastern US cities have a lot more O&D.
 
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RE: IB To JNB And LAX

Sun May 22, 2005 8:47 am

IB was planning to reinstate MAD-LAX for summer 2002, but it's financial travails, as well as the market depression affecting international travel during that period scotched that plan.
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