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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:11 am

Can anyone explain the difference between the dc-10 10 and the dc-10 30 ?

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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting Andahuailas (Thread starter):
Can anyone explain the difference between the dc-10 10 and the dc-10 30 ?

The -10 carries more passengers with less range
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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:17 am

the 10 is for domestic version and the longhaul version is the 30 and 40...
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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:20 am

The DC-10-10 was the initial model, basically deigned to go US-Transcontinental. It was not very capable doing longrange, although some airlines used it, for sure with payload restriction or additional fuelstops.
The DC-10-30 was the longrange aircraft. It got a higher grossweight and therefore it needed an additional maingear. For this it can be easily identified by the centergear as the one on the A340-600.
 
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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:22 am

The -30 series has a center main gear while the -10 series does not.
Externally, that's about the only difference. Both have GE engines, with the -30 series having more powerful thrust for heavier loads & greater range.
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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 2:31 am

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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 7:03 am

the -10 has a 10' shorter wingspan..155' vs. the -30 with 165'
 
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Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30 ?

Sat May 21, 2005 7:54 am

What about the 15? can someone explain to me the difference, now that we are on topic. Thanks.
 
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 8:42 am

The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric. Only seven of them were built and were delivered to Aeromexico and Mexicana.

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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 9:02 am

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 8):
The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric.

Actually, according to the Boeing website, the -15 had GE CF6-50C2F engines:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/dc-10/tech.html

Further, the -15 was designed for performance at full loads at hot & high airports by combining the -10 airframe with more powerful engines:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/dc-10/
 
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 8):
The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric

I think you're confusing the -15 with the -40?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
The -10 carries more passengers with less range

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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 9:32 am

The DC-10-40 has Pratt and Whitney engines, preferred by a couple of original (new order) customers; IIRC only NW and JAL ordered the -40 (new).
The -40 was reportedly originally the -20, but NW objected to the -20 suffix/label, as the -30 (higher thrust GE CF6 engines than the -10) was already in development. So, "presto-chango" the -40 was borne.
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 9:45 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 11):
So, "presto-chango" the -40 was borne

That's a good way of putting it. NW wanted their DC10s to be 'labeled' superior to the -30. So they nudged McDD to call it the -40.. Even though their JT9D-20 powerplants produced less thrust than the CF6-50Cs of the -30s.
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 9:48 am

Andahuailes, have you discovered the Aircraft Data section of a.net? There's some excellent info there. This link with take you to the data page on the DC-10:

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=279
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 8):
The DC-10-15 series is like the -10 but is powered by Pratt and Whitney engines instead of General Electric. Only seven of them were built and were delivered to Aeromexico and Mexicana.

Wrong... The -15 was basically the airframe/wing of the -10 with the engines of the -30.
 
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 10:23 am

Sorry, my bad! I'll do more research next time.
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 11:12 am

Another difference (at least on AA aircraft) was that on the DC-10-10, there was the lower lobe (downstairs) galley. On the DC10-30, the galleys were on the main deck in a more traditional configuration. This allowed for fewer seats, but more cargo.
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sat May 21, 2005 12:34 pm

Another difference (at least on AA aircraft) was that on the DC-10-10, there was the lower lobe (downstairs) galley. On the DC10-30, the galleys were on the main deck in a more traditional configuration. This allowed for fewer seats, but more cargo.

Actually, I beleive that all of AAs "Dirty Thirties" were delivered/purchased with lower lobe galleys. Several were modified in TULE with upper deck galleys. These flew in three class configuration. The remainder flew the HNL routes (Cattle car from ORD and DFW).
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting Flflyguy (Reply 16):
Another difference (at least on AA aircraft) was that on the DC-10-10, there was the lower lobe (downstairs) galley. On the DC10-30, the galleys were on the main deck in a more traditional configuration. This allowed for fewer seats, but more cargo.

Not necessarily..... I was working on Balair's DC-10-30 HB-IHK which was configureated in a "Max-Pax-Version" as cargo played a minor role in our business. This one had a lower galley as well. First we flew it in a All-Economy-Class version, taking 345 in total distributed in three sections, all with a 3-4-2 crossection. Then we reconfigurated it into two classes as there was a demand for business class, what we called "Relax-Class", offering more comfortable seats in a 2-4-2 crossection. This way we carried then a total of 327 Pax. This two class configuration was mainly a demand on our ZRH-MIA route we served before Swissair did it.
If a remember right, the design of the DC-10 allowed a maximum of 372 PAX-seats. I think this was only feasible in the lower-galley-version with a 3-4-3 crossection. We once leased a Finnair DC-10 who's galley where located in the traditional "Upstairs Configuration" and it carried in the one-class-version 345 PAX as well, but had the 3-4-3 crossection. I could not imagine to squeeze more seats in without moving the galley downstairs.
Anyhow, I loved the DC-10, for me it was "The Aircraft".
 
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 1:46 am

Hi guys,

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
The -30 series has a center main gear while the -10 series does not.

Correct, but one 'caveat' nobody has mentioned so far. The DC-10-10 / DC-10-15 are not the only models without center main gear, and just relying on that feature to identify a -10 occasionally mislead one or the other spotter. Those DC-10-40 which Japan Airlines used domestically (dubbed the DC-10-40D) do also lack a center gear, and when some of them went on to serve international routes with subsidiary Japan Asia Airways, their profile out there in the approach caused occasional confusion. I recall some outbursts of adrenaline with fellow spotters unaware of that particular fact that I witnessed myself & with a smile in good old HKG many a year ago...

Just felt like filling in that missing detail.

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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 1:52 am

Quoting YukonTrader (Reply 19):
Those DC-10-40 which Japan Airlines used domestically (dubbed the DC-10-40D) do also lack a center gear,

Did they actually lack the center gear or was JAL just not using it? On the -40 (and -30 I believe) an airline could leave the center gear retracted and operate at a lower MTOW.
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 1:52 am

Does anyone actually fly the DC10-10 still?

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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 20):
Did they actually lack the center gear or was JAL just not using it? On the -40 (and -30 I believe) an airline could leave the center gear retracted and operate at a lower MTOW.

I don't know if it could be disabled by maintenance by a certain procedure. What I remember, that we were allowed to fly the aircraft home under certain weight restrictions if the center gear was unservicable. On the nosegear was a pair of locking springs, the same as on the center gear. Once during the preflight check, the engineer discovered that one of them on the nosegear was broken. As the plane was low on T/O weight, he was allowed to take one from the centergear and install it on the nosegear, in order to dispatch the aircraft home. There was no risk as the weight was well below the limit, needed for the center gear. So we could fly home with a minor delay.
 
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 2:24 am

Hi SATL382G

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 20):
Did they actually lack the center gear or was JAL just not using it? On the -40 (and -30 I believe) an airline could leave the center gear retracted and operate at a lower MTOW.

Definitely a good point you make! Not seeing it must not mean that it is not there. As JAL occasionally converted DC-10-40I's to D's and vice versa (according to JP Airline Fleets), it's educated guessing that the bay and mounts for the center gear must most probably have been present on D's as well. Now the question whether the gear was actually removed (dead weight, regular inspections & maintenance required even if locked) or just locked in its bay is up to some tech's with authority to reveal... Anyone around to shed some light?

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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 2:43 am

The DC-10-30 has two more cargo positions in the aft hold. The bulk pit is smaller then that of the 10, and the 30's bulk cargo door is very small.
 
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting YukonTrader (Reply 23):
Now the question whether the gear was actually removed (dead weight, regular inspections & maintenance required even if locked) or just locked in its bay is up to some tech's with authority to reveal

The center gear on JAL's -40 were absent when they operated domestic routes. Now these are types are no longer existant in the fleet as they are retiring the DC-10-40's this year.

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 21):
Does anyone actually fly the DC10-10 still?

I know now it got replaced by the 767-400ER but didn't CO use them (until about 2/3 years ago) on its NRT-HNL run?
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RE: Difference Between DC 10-10 And DC 10-30?

Sun May 22, 2005 3:08 pm

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 25):
The DC-10-30 has two more cargo positions in the aft hold. The bulk pit is smaller then that of the 10, and the 30's bulk cargo door is very

Not quite true. I think this was an option in all DC10s. At FedEx, we have some -10's that have the extra cargo positions and the smaller bulk pit. Not all of our -30's are set up that way either. A few have the larger bulk pit and only 8 LD3 capacity in the aft hold.