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HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 2:25 am

I know it's early in the game and pure speculation on everyone's part, but do you think that certain cities will be closed? What about new cities opening and expansion of service? For instance, out of HSV, we have 5 CLT flights and 4 DCA flights. A HSV/PHX flight would be interesting, even a HSV/LAS. Just thought I'd throw this out there and see what happens. Could get interesting.
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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Richardnhsv (Thread starter):
HSV/PHX flight would be interesting, even a HSV/LAS.

With 71 planes leaving the fleet, any nonstop HSV service from PHX or LAS isn't even on the radar.
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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 4:05 am

I do wonder if there will be any additional routes from the east to PHX or LAS? I'm thinking bigger markets like CVG or SDF could support a flight to PHX or LAS. WN has daily flights to PHX and LAS from SDF so the competition would be great.

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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 4:22 am

all 3 airports in the DC area are currently served- DCA IAD BWI, I would guess services will need to be cut at one. HP is reluctant to give BWI to WN, DCA is a very good location, and IAD can accomodate flights to the west coast. Which will it be?
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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:29 am

Why does one of the WAS airports need to be cut? All the legacies currently serve all three.
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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:42 am

Largest airports without HP/US nonstop service to LAS/PHX:

ranked largest to smallest based on YE2003 stats for total passengers:


Largest LAS market without ANY nonstop service:


Largest market (based on YE2003 DOT O & D data) from both LAS and PHX without US/HP nonstop service:


Largest markets (based on YE2004 DOT O & D data) from PVD without nonstop service on any carrier:


Guess who has ample US gate/counter/ramp space for more flights and who better be getting new LAS and/or PHX service if/when the merger/code share starts!!!

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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:42 am

I wouldn't expect any closings for now. They stated they will look at any unprofitable routes first, but I would expect those to be expressed among anything else.
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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:44 am

I don't anticipate any US stations being cut. US has already gone through them in the last two or three years, cutting dozens of stations--OMA, CID, MSN, AZO, LAN, FNT, RDG, EVV, TOL, SBN, FWA, MDW, and lots and lots more. Whatever was going to be closed is already closed.

Note that I'm not talking about EAS cities served by Air Midwest or Colgan. If one of them loses an EAS contract to a non-US Airways Express carrier, then they will almost certainly pull out of the city. Also, it's not yet clear whether Air Midwest will remain a US Airways Express carrier.
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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 9:51 am

The problem with expanded service to connect the dots is flight distance and aircraft utilization. PHL/CLT and PHX/LAS are on completely different sides of the country. Many of the markets that do not have service would basically require a near trans-con flight which significantly limits the amount of flights an aircraft can fly in one day. Unless they can command a serious revenue premium, its a money-losing venture to say start service on routes like BUF-PHX, or ELP-PHL. There is no aircraft that is efficiently capable of connecting routes like this. So basically we are back to having nearly two disjoint networks for the time being.
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RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 1):
With 71 planes leaving the fleet

I'm sorry guys, but I'm still in shock after reading the news about the merger.
What 71 planes???? From which airline????????

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