Posts: 449
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:35 am

HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 2:25 am

I know it's early in the game and pure speculation on everyone's part, but do you think that certain cities will be closed? What about new cities opening and expansion of service? For instance, out of HSV, we have 5 CLT flights and 4 DCA flights. A HSV/PHX flight would be interesting, even a HSV/LAS. Just thought I'd throw this out there and see what happens. Could get interesting.
"If you've ever had a filet this good, welcome back." - Ruth Fertel
Posts: 2417
Joined: Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:25 am

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 3:10 am

Quoting Richardnhsv (Thread starter):
HSV/PHX flight would be interesting, even a HSV/LAS.

With 71 planes leaving the fleet, any nonstop HSV service from PHX or LAS isn't even on the radar.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
Posts: 648
Joined: Sat May 17, 2003 10:56 am

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 4:05 am

I do wonder if there will be any additional routes from the east to PHX or LAS? I'm thinking bigger markets like CVG or SDF could support a flight to PHX or LAS. WN has daily flights to PHX and LAS from SDF so the competition would be great.

Posts: 438
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2004 9:10 am

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 4:22 am

all 3 airports in the DC area are currently served- DCA IAD BWI, I would guess services will need to be cut at one. HP is reluctant to give BWI to WN, DCA is a very good location, and IAD can accomodate flights to the west coast. Which will it be?
Paper makes an airplane fly
Posts: 12573
Joined: Sat May 15, 2004 12:13 pm

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:29 am

Why does one of the WAS airports need to be cut? All the legacies currently serve all three.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Posts: 3064
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 8:23 pm

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:42 am

Largest airports without HP/US nonstop service to LAS/PHX:

ranked largest to smallest based on YE2003 stats for total passengers:


Largest LAS market without ANY nonstop service:


Largest market (based on YE2003 DOT O & D data) from both LAS and PHX without US/HP nonstop service:


Largest markets (based on YE2004 DOT O & D data) from PVD without nonstop service on any carrier:


Guess who has ample US gate/counter/ramp space for more flights and who better be getting new LAS and/or PHX service if/when the merger/code share starts!!!

[Edited 2005-05-20 22:51:37]
Posts: 4115
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2001 1:48 pm

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:42 am

I wouldn't expect any closings for now. They stated they will look at any unprofitable routes first, but I would expect those to be expressed among anything else.
Posts: 2666
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:06 pm

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 5:44 am

I don't anticipate any US stations being cut. US has already gone through them in the last two or three years, cutting dozens of stations--OMA, CID, MSN, AZO, LAN, FNT, RDG, EVV, TOL, SBN, FWA, MDW, and lots and lots more. Whatever was going to be closed is already closed.

Note that I'm not talking about EAS cities served by Air Midwest or Colgan. If one of them loses an EAS contract to a non-US Airways Express carrier, then they will almost certainly pull out of the city. Also, it's not yet clear whether Air Midwest will remain a US Airways Express carrier.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
Posts: 6470
Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2002 11:45 am

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 9:51 am

The problem with expanded service to connect the dots is flight distance and aircraft utilization. PHL/CLT and PHX/LAS are on completely different sides of the country. Many of the markets that do not have service would basically require a near trans-con flight which significantly limits the amount of flights an aircraft can fly in one day. Unless they can command a serious revenue premium, its a money-losing venture to say start service on routes like BUF-PHX, or ELP-PHL. There is no aircraft that is efficiently capable of connecting routes like this. So basically we are back to having nearly two disjoint networks for the time being.
Posts: 4722
Joined: Wed May 19, 1999 10:42 pm

RE: HP/US Possible Station Closings

Sat May 21, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 1):
With 71 planes leaving the fleet

I'm sorry guys, but I'm still in shock after reading the news about the merger.
What 71 planes???? From which airline????????

BWIADCA - Nikon D100

Who is online

Popular Searches On

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos